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i believe you do

 

I think that boils down to your defence of Joel, do you genuinely think that Pickford Butland or Forster are not improvements over Joel and Stek!?

 

Do or have you regularly watched any of the players over the years you've suggested or championed that would clearly improve our side? That's crazy logic to me tbh mate

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I think that boils down to your defence of Joel, do you genuinely think that Pickford Butland or Forster are not improvements over Joel and Stek!?

 

Do or have you regularly watched any of the players over the years you've suggested or championed that would clearly improve our side? That's crazy logic to me tbh mate

Over Stek for sure (for age if nothing else), over Joel I don't know because I've only seen them a handful of times on MOTD or when we've played them, and when I have seen them they've made clangers too. I think I can only say Forster would be better, but he can fuck up too....

 

I don't tend to suggest anyone unless I've seen a lot of games, which up until a few years ago (whilst I was travelling every week and before the baby came along) I was doing. I spent most evening watching any football I could get, because I was alone in a hotel for 5-10 days at a time. But since my daughter was born 2.5 years ago, I've not watched anyone but us (with a handful of exceptions), so I don't really pipe up with names any more simply because I don't have the knowledge to base an opinion of them

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Over Stek for sure (for age if nothing else), over Joel I don't know because I've only seen them a handful of times on MOTD or when we've played them, and when I have seen them they've made clangers too. I think I can only say Forster would be better, but he can fuck up too....

 

I don't tend to suggest anyone unless I've seen a lot of games, which up until a few years ago (whilst I was travelling every week and before the baby came along) I was doing. I spent most evening watching any football I could get, because I was alone in a hotel for 5-10 days at a time. But since my daughter was born 2.5 years ago, I've not watched anyone but us (with a handful of exceptions), so I don't really pipe up with names any more simply because I don't have the knowledge to base an opinion of them

Fair point mate and I get your drift and I fully understand the work and kid/s situation it's hard to find much time

 

I don't dislike Joel I've said it before he's 75% of what we need in my opinion and I'm not making out I've seen every Southampton Burnley or Stoke game I've personally seen enough to think any of those three would be a decent upgrade and throw Casper.S into that mix also

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Fair point mate and I get your drift and I fully understand the work and kid/s situation it's hard to find much time

 

I don't dislike Joel I've said it before he's 75% of what we need in my opinion and I'm not making out I've seen every Southampton Burnley or Stoke game I've personally seen enough to think any of those three would be a decent upgrade and throw Casper.S into that mix also

I think I said the other day that maybe the best compromise is to tie him down to a new contract and maybe loan him out to get him game time. I understand the desire to have a great keeper, but for the money needed to sign the 3 mentioned, I don't see it being worthwhile because, even if they are an upgrade, they won't be a massive upgrade

 

edit: 1 keeper I really did like the look of was Heaton in Burnleys first season, but not sure how he's evolved since

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Hart - Forster - Butland - Pickford. That's the order I would put them in, best to worst (not that any are bad).

Pickford looks like he could become the "next Hart" and is looking good for the future.

Butland only returned from injury last week, before that injury he looked like he was going to be the Englands number 1 over Hart. Forster was tipped to be the next big thing, I always remember Celtic vs Barca and he had a world class game (more than once against them actually) and Xavi coming out saying he should be a Barca target.

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I have to say, I just don't get the hype around Hart. I've seen him play on multiple occasions, and he makes blunder after blunder. He's making them now at Torino. I admire his passion, but he seems a bit flat-footed to me.

 

welcome to the dark side tonks :) fact is all the english keepers will be overpriced. but foreign keepers the worry is knowing the language and effective communication with the defense, might take a season to forge that. damned if we do, damned if we don't.

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welcome to the dark side tonks :) fact is all the english keepers will be overpriced. but foreign keepers the worry is knowing the language and effective communication with the defense, might take a season to forge that. damned if we do, damned if we don't.

all English players in general are overpriced

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I have to say, I just don't get the hype around Hart. I've seen him play on multiple occasions, and he makes blunder after blunder. He's making them now at Torino. I admire his passion, but he seems a bit flat-footed to me.

 

I agree, I think he's pretty awful and the only real upside is the aforementioned passion and 'profile' he brings.

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I agree, I think he's pretty awful and the only real upside is the aforementioned passion and 'profile' he brings.

 

our numbers are growing............mwahahaahaha.

 

again i'd take a foreign lad like ruffier, leno, etc but i'm not sure they'd be able to communicate well. so Butland, Forster, Pickford, and then Hart would be my list.

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Hart is also a good shot stopper and commands his area well. He's not the best in the world, but there's a reason he played so many games for a team who could afford to replace him if they wanted to.

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Hart is also a good shot stopper and commands his area well. He's not the best in the world, but there's a reason he played so many games for a team who could afford to replace him if they wanted to.

Because he's English.

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Because he's English.

I fail to see how that has any relevance Pete, they replaced him with a foreigner whilst being fairly low on home grown players so logic would say you drop him to the bench if that played any part

 

Pep simply doesn't rate him imo

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I fail to see how that has any relevance Pete, they replaced him with a foreigner whilst being fairly low on home grown players so logic would say you drop him to the bench if that played any part

 

Pep simply doesn't rate him imo

They bought John stones. Every manager had planned on replacing him, only city have a high turnover of managers is the only reason he escaped the chop.

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I haven't watched him enough to really believe he's worth it. He gets a fair few good write-ups considering the dross he has in front of him.

 

£17m seems a lot though, if that's going rate, fine but i'm not sure what is for a keeper?

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I'm a bit worried about this one- he's young and is unproven. He's had a good season but Sunderland have been twatted most games which means he's bound to get more shots at him which equates to more saves and so on.

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He's a very solid young keeper who will only get better, he has a good ten years plus in him all being well

 

Decent fee, you'll pay a premium for any proven keeper from abroad and at least he knows the league etc look at Karius at the shite touted as the next big thing and has looked absolutely shite from what I've seen

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I'm a bit worried about this one- he's young and is unproven. He's had a good season but Sunderland have been twatted most games which means he's bound to get more shots at him which equates to more saves and so on.

Flip side is he's had more practice haha!

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I'm a bit worried about this one- he's young and is unproven. He's had a good season but Sunderland have been twatted most games which means he's bound to get more shots at him which equates to more saves and so on.

My thoughts.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jordan-pickford-sunderland-everton-transfer-10381916

 

But also that. I'd rather have Butland for sure but Forster doesn't seem to be much better quality if any than Pickford and he's 6 years his senior. Obviously both still have a bunch of years ahead of them, but I think Forster will keep playing at his level for another 5-6 seasons where Pickford and Butland both stand to improve quite a bit over the next few years as long as they continue to start. I don't think Pickford will go to Liverpool as I don't think he represents a significant improvement over Mignolet enough to warrant taking his starting job, and I doubt either of the Manchester clubs are looking to sign a 23-year old as their number one.

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I really rate Butland he's a fantastic keeper but with having recurring acute ankle problems I'd be very wary of signing him tbh

 

He'll command a large fee and I'm not sure I'd be happy we took the risk tbh, I've had a similar injury myself a long long time ago and regardless of surgery aftercare and so on its never the same once you've done it

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Pickford playing ok v Arsenal tonight. Just conceded but not his fault. I still don't see him as the big commanding presence that we need from a top quality 'keeper at Everton though. He is good but I would still prefer Butland.

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Pickford playing ok v Arsenal tonight. Just conceded but not his fault. I still don't see him as the big commanding presence that we need from a top quality 'keeper at Everton though. He is good but I would still prefer Butland.

 

how has butland been since coming back from injury?

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how has butland been since coming back from injury?

To be honest, I haven't seen him but I have a mate who supports Stoke. He says it is still obvious that he is coming back from a long lay off but that the quality is still there. A good pre season and we could have our 'keeper for the next 10 years maybe.

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Pickford playing ok v Arsenal tonight. Just conceded but not his fault. I still don't see him as the big commanding presence that we need from a top quality 'keeper at Everton though. He is good but I would still prefer Butland.

I wouldn't class Butland as big or commanding.

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He was a cut above tonight. Made some cracking saves.

 

Needs to work on his distribution though. But what a talented shot stopper.

hang on, don't we have a talented shot stopper who needs to work on his distribution?! :blink:

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No we currently have a bloody clown and his understudy.

whos rated 5th(?) best keeper in the league. Honestly, I think the fact Martinez signed Robles casts a massive shadow over the lad

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I wouldn't class Butland as big or commanding.

Me neither I've always thought he was quite timid for a keeper tbh plus he's a catastrophe waiting to happen with the problems he's had

 

Quality keeper but I'll put money on him being out again long term once he gets a steady amount of games... To risky for what he'd cost imo

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Don't even see the amazing stops Matt.

I think a standard save is celebrated like a worldie by some to build him up.... mostly yourself mate.

 

If we wanted to go of stats as a marker we should be looking at Monone, didn't the article say he's had the best match of the season?

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Don't even see the amazing stops Matt.

I think a standard save is celebrated like a worldie by some to build him up.... mostly yourself mate.

 

If we wanted to go of stats as a marker we should be looking at Monone, didn't the article say he's had the best match of the season?

I don't build him up -.I support the player who gets an unreasonable amount of shit because Martinez brought him in and the fact he makes big blunders from time to time, whilst accepting that he's barely had a consistent run to prove himself, let alone settle into the position and that he's very young.

 

What I celebrate is his clean sheet record, the fact our defence look a lot more comfortable when he's in goal, and his shot-stopping ability.

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I don't build him up -.I support the player who gets an unreasonable amount of shit because Martinez brought him in and the fact he makes big blunders from time to time, whilst accepting that he's barely had a consistent run to prove himself, let alone settle into the position and that he's very young.

 

What I celebrate is his clean sheet record, the fact our defence look a lot more comfortable when he's in goal, and his shot-stopping ability.

Compare him to someone like Hart, who many on here want. I'd say Joel makes less blunders, and he is also one of the best at collecting the ball from corner/crosses, whereas Hart flaps like a fish out of water. Similar distribution, and both have weaknesses when it comes to shot stopping. Hart struggles to get down on his left hand side. Joel gets caught in his toes, but has a longer reach to make more worldies.

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I don't build him up -.I support the player who gets an unreasonable amount of shit because Martinez brought him in and the fact he makes big blunders from time to time, whilst accepting that he's barely had a consistent run to prove himself, let alone settle into the position and that he's very young.

 

What I celebrate is his clean sheet record, the fact our defence look a lot more comfortable when he's in goal, and his shot-stopping ability.

That's fair enough mate. I just do t see it that's all.

I see a keeper of similar ability to Steks who has played most the season and been nothing but average.

He has made as many blunders... but has been lucky enough for them not to result in goals.

 

But your right, he is young and can improve.

I would just rather we brought in a No1.

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That's fair enough mate. I just do t see it that's all.

I see a keeper of similar ability to Steks who has played most the season and been nothing but average.

He has made as many blunders... but has been lucky enough for them not to result in goals.

 

But your right, he is young and can improve.

I would just rather we brought in a No1.

I would love to aswell, but as I've said several times before; to improve on Robles dramatically will cost mega money, and the names touted are not massive improvements in my eyes

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That's the type of attitude that needs eradicating if we want to genuinely progress and challenge the top clubs.

Disagree. It's recognizing that for the immediate future, we've got a decent solution in that position and, as highlighted above, there's plenty of other areas that need addressing first.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39980308

 

"I have heard some really derisory sort of figures getting mentioned, and it wouldn't be any of those figures, I can tell you that."

 

Pot. Kettle. He wouldn't stand in the way of the boy furthering his career surely :lol:?

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"I have heard some really derisory sort of figures getting mentioned, and it wouldn't be any of those figures, I can tell you that."

 

Pot. Kettle. He wouldn't stand in the way of the boy furthering his career surely :lol:?

He's a knob.

 

Ellis Short may have different ideas anyway and, unlike at Everton, the fella won't have total control over every decision.

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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-jordan-pickford-sunderland-bid-13114060

 

We shouldn't be going that high, and I very much doubt anyone else will either, but £8million?! Have we lost the plot? Are we even serious about this transfer window and improving?

I think £15m plus add ons is as high as any team should go. He's looked very good in his first season playing at the top level but he's missed a big chunk through injuries and his team have finished bottom of the league by some distance. The fact that £30m is being mention is ridiculous so maybe we're making a point by offering something closer to what his 'true' value is.

 

There's people on twitter moaning that if he costs £30m then pay £30m - Man City do. If we pay £30m for Pickford then we'll just set ourselves up for being ripped off all summer - before you know it we'll have spent £100m on Pickford, Maguire and Sigurdsson. We need to stand firm - by all means pay over the odds on prime targets (ala Lukaku) but be ready to walk away on players that are replicable.

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I think £15m plus add ons is as high as any team should go. He's looked very good in his first season playing at the top level but he's missed a big chunk through injuries and his team have finished bottom of the league by some distance. The fact that £30m is being mention is ridiculous so maybe we're making a point by offering something closer to what his 'true' value is.

There's people on twitter moaning that if he costs £30m then pay £30m - Man City do. If we pay £30m for Pickford then we'll just set ourselves up for being ripped off all summer - before you know it we'll have spent £100m on Pickford, Maguire and Sigurdsson. We need to stand firm - by all means pay over the odds on prime targets (ala Lukaku) but be ready to walk away on players that are replicable.

I'd say about £22m (including add-ons) is the highest we should go, no way is he a £30m keeper right now. Going in with £8m, even just the to make a point, is ridiculous.

 

I do hope that it is just to make a point and not because we're still shit.

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