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11 hours ago, pete0 said:

Fuck me you do like to rewrite history. You were fuming for Tosun to play. You were adamant Tosun should be be playing. 

Compare our midfield of Barry McCarthy to him and whoever was unfortunate enough to play next to him. Barry makes players look better, Gana makes them look worse. The chances conceded this season or to phrase better lack of proves he's not been missed. In fact the opposite. 

Your bottom paragraph concedes that I do admit when I'm wrong. Sort of fucks the rest of the bubbles you'd just blown before it. So you're changing the can't be wrong, to be can't be wrong twice? The lengths you go is up there with Patrick Bateman. 

It's quite weird that you cant even identify that every post I make - you reply with a disagreement that just proves my original point..... you Have a self perpetuating drive to try and tell everyone you are do right and they are wrong in everything. 

Shortly put.... you are a waste of time debating with.  It's not about the subject.... it's about you.  You'd probably be a really good poster if you could get over that shit tbh..... but it's like playing golf with someone who cheats. They can't help it

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Haf, PeteO, can you take this to the correct thread and stop ruining our disgusting foods posts!!! 
Keep the thread on track 😡

No chance of him eating humble pie is there?   Never realises that he's got egg on his face.....

His stubbornness makes him a tough but to crack.... I've got bigger fish to fry but can't help being annoyed by him thinking he's the big cheese, the best thing since sliced bread.... he cherry picks posts that make his scouting abilities look mustard.

I should take what he says with a grain of salt as his gana posts indicated that he's a few sandwiches short of a picnic and they really were the icing on the cake.... he's not a bad egg,  it's just some of his posts take the biscuit.....tells the odd pork pie too.....

 

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5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

It's quite weird that you cant even identify that every post I make - you reply with a disagreement that just proves my original point..... you Have a self perpetuating drive to try and tell everyone you are do right and they are wrong in everything. 

Shortly put.... you are a waste of time debating with.  It's not about the subject.... it's about you.  You'd probably be a really good poster if you could get over that shit tbh..... but it's like playing golf with someone who cheats. They can't help it

Not worth the time? You're the one who's not explained and now squirming when asked for one. 

You do love a good projection. Seriously you need help, for the sake of everyone around yer Donald. 

3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

No chance of him eating humble pie is there?   Never realises that he's got egg on his face.....

His stubbornness makes him a tough but to crack.... I've got bigger fish to fry but can't help being annoyed by him thinking he's the big cheese, the best thing since sliced bread.... he cherry picks posts that make his scouting abilities look mustard.

I should take what he says with a grain of salt as his gana posts indicated that he's a few sandwiches short of a picnic and they really were the icing on the cake.... he's not a bad egg,  it's just some of his posts take the biscuit.....tells the odd pork pie too.....

 

I've asked you five times a simple question in the match day thread. I take responsibility when I'm wrong, every week I ask for help to learn more and do things better. I bet you're not one to ask for help as you think you already know best. 

Can you go back and find one lie I've made? How many times have you said I've said something that I hadn't just to try and make yourself look better? You're a disgusting person and the fucking Billy liar of the board. 

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6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

It's quite weird that you cant even identify that every post I make - you reply with a disagreement that just proves my original point..... you Have a self perpetuating drive to try and tell everyone you are do right and they are wrong in everything. 

Shortly put.... you are a waste of time debating with.  It's not about the subject.... it's about you.  You'd probably be a really good poster if you could get over that shit tbh..... but it's like playing golf with someone who cheats. They can't help it

I’ve never seen anything like that before!

i just nearly choked on my Big Mac!

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4 hours ago, pete0 said:

Not worth the time? You're the one who's not explained and now squirming when asked for one. 

You do love a good projection. Seriously you need help, for the sake of everyone around yer Donald. 

I've asked you five times a simple question in the match day thread. I take responsibility when I'm wrong, every week I ask for help to learn more and do things better. I bet you're not one to ask for help as you think you already know best. 

Can you go back and find one lie I've made? How many times have you said I've said something that I hadn't just to try and make yourself look better? You're a disgusting person and the fucking Billy liar of the board. 

Calm down sunshine it's Friday..... have a chill.... a day off tomorrow Sidebe isn't playing. 

It's alllllllll goooooodddd

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Calm down sunshine it's Friday..... have a chill.... a day off tomorrow Sidebe isn't playing. 

It's alllllllll goooooodddd

If you can't find a lie an apology would be appreciated 👍 

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7 hours ago, London Blue said:

I think its a case of they could have been separated at birth lol.

We’ll have to check the IP addresses to make sure Pete and Haf (also Pete) aren’t the same person. 
😂

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What I don't understand is the people who rush to protect him... 

To be honest the goal was as much the fault of digne really ... benteke had acres to move in.  

I said last week that he struggles with low shots to his left - this was another.  For me I'm more bothered by his positioning and composure in dradball situations like corners.... the one that hit the post he was rooted to his line with his left hand parting the post like he was petrified.

Yes.... he can make smart saves but for me he's average and below average in other areas.

If his supposed value is above £50m or whatever people think it is then cash in. I actually like Palaces keeper, made 2 excellent saves today and aside the party from a stinging shot didn't do much wrong. 

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7 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I actually like Palaces keeper, made 2 excellent saves today and aside the party from a stinging shot didn't do much wrong. 

Although he did catch a corner and then stroll over his goal-line with the ball last week; not the cleverest bit of 'keeping I've ever seen.

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19 minutes ago, MikeO said:

He's won us more points than he's cost us imo.

Not debating that.

But that was a terrible attempt at a save. I’m sure he’s thinking the same.

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3 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Not debating that.

But that was a terrible attempt at a save. I’m sure he’s thinking the same.

It was indeed truly awful, the man himself said, "It was disgusting and I hold my hands up for that....".

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7 minutes ago, MikeO said:

It was indeed truly awful, the man himself said, "It was disgusting and I hold my hands up for that....".

Ahh good to hear he holds his hands up and is responsible for it.

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41 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Although he did catch a corner and then stroll over his goal-line with the ball last week; not the cleverest bit of 'keeping I've ever seen.

Yes I seen that. What spoke louder was the support that his manager and fans gave him.... basically they think they would be relegation certainty if not for him.  It was his only error leading to a goal in 18 months...... for a high traffic goally that's not bad. 

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14 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

You mean the man with an ego the size of France admitted he made a mistake? I do not believe you. Liar, liar, pants on fire!

Did he go on about strong mentality or anything like that after it?  It wouldn't be like our Jordan to not remind people that he's got strong mentality.........  he likes that one after a mistake. 

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26 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Did he go on about strong mentality or anything like that after it?  It wouldn't be like our Jordan to not remind people that he's got strong mentality.........  he likes that one after a mistake. 

Maybe he works on the mental side of his game, like any good professional should, so it’s fresh in his mind. When things are going well you don’t need to talk about how strong you are, when something goes wrong you might feel the need to remind everyone, and yourself, that you are strong. 

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1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

france is not a large country.  russia or usa or canada would have been better for your comment.

I was actually thinking the same as you Mark, but only to add to the sarcasm of Marks post. 

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2 minutes ago, StevO said:

Maybe he works on the mental side of his game, like any good professional should, so it’s fresh in his mind. When things are going well you don’t need to talk about how strong you are, when something goes wrong you might feel the need to remind everyone, and yourself, that you are strong. 

Yes Steve. Absolutely. 

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If Jordan wants to be considered top class he needs to concentrate a lot more than he has been doing. It’s all well and good being a good “shot stopper”. He is paid to make those saves. His kicking game for which he was renowned for has gone missing aswell. I like the lad I want him to be here for a very long time and I’m happy he’s England’s number one but his game needs to move up a gear now. He’s reached a plateau for me and it’s up to him to see where he goes 

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4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

What I don't understand is the people who rush to protect him... 

To be honest the goal was as much the fault of digne really ... benteke had acres to move in.  

I said last week that he struggles with low shots to his left - this was another.  For me I'm more bothered by his positioning and composure in dradball situations like corners.... the one that hit the post he was rooted to his line with his left hand parting the post like he was petrified.

Yes.... he can make smart saves but for me he's average and below average in other areas.

If his supposed value is above £50m or whatever people think it is then cash in. I actually like Palaces keeper, made 2 excellent saves today and aside the party from a stinging shot didn't do much wrong. 

 just let 3 goals in not much wrong with that. 

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10 hours ago, Palfy said:

 just let 3 goals in not much wrong with that. 

The key thing for me palf isn't the number of goals conceded.... it's the mistakes made.

I can't think of one goal that he could have saved.... bernies was a rocket, Richarlison no chance and same for DCL.  The only error he made was the one that was the save pushed to DCL which he skied.

My point is that pickford is closer to the level of these keepers than he is the supposed elite.

His save % is second lowest in the league and that is His supposed strength.  His command of the area is very very poor.

It's my 10 cents.  He may improve in these areas who knows but I ain't sure. 

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17 hours ago, Finn balor said:

I like the lad I want him to be here for a very long time and I’m happy he’s England’s number one but his game needs to move up a gear now. He’s reached a plateau for me and it’s up to him to see where he goes 

This is my stance. I’d like him to kick on here despite not being his biggest fan. I don’t think his England slot is as nailed on as it’s been as I think Southgate will have a look at Henderson in some of the upcoming games - that may actually be good news if Pickford’s got a bit of real competition for his spot.

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3 hours ago, Matt said:

A moment of stupidity aside, he was excellent 

He had 4 shots to deal with all game Matt.  1 he saved.... 1 he conceded badly, 2 hit the post of which he was floundering both times.  

 

 

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21 hours ago, Finn balor said:

If Jordan wants to be considered top class he needs to concentrate a lot more than he has been doing. It’s all well and good being a good “shot stopper”. He is paid to make those saves. His kicking game for which he was renowned for has gone missing aswell. I like the lad I want him to be here for a very long time and I’m happy he’s England’s number one but his game needs to move up a gear now. He’s reached a plateau for me and it’s up to him to see where he goes 

The ball he played to Richarlison down the left channel was pin point. Put us straight onto the counter.

I wish our outfield players were that accurate. 

2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

He had 4 shots to deal with all game Matt.  1 he saved.... 1 he conceded badly, 2 hit the post of which he was floundering both times.  

 

 

Floundering? 1 was deflected (but he had covered anyway) and the other went through 2 of our players who should have cleared it easily so it's no surprise that it surprised him. 

Then again, don't condone the two players that should have cleared the ball easily, just focus on the keeper doing what every keeper in the league would have done "floundering". 

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8 hours ago, Hafnia said:

The key thing for me palf isn't the number of goals conceded.... it's the mistakes made.

I can't think of one goal that he could have saved.... bernies was a rocket, Richarlison no chance and same for DCL.  The only error he made was the one that was the save pushed to DCL which he skied.

My point is that pickford is closer to the level of these keepers than he is the supposed elite.

His save % is second lowest in the league and that is His supposed strength.  His command of the area is very very poor.

It's my 10 cents.  He may improve in these areas who knows but I ain't sure. 

I understand were your coming from if you look at stats Haf, for keepers they are very black and white and don’t give you any information of their general play positioning and speed of thought, if you looked at his stats he would be just in the top ten as an average of the things taken into consideration and he’s better than that. 
I don’t really take much stock of stats they don’t give you the full picture just snippets, you know that as well as anyone mate a certain strikers stats said he was fantastic, you disagreed because you saw something different that couldn’t be calculated by stats, I think the same about Pickford there’s more to him than stats can explain, and I can only see him getting better.  

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25 minutes ago, Bailey said:

The ball he played to Richarlison down the left channel was pin point. Put us straight onto the counter.

I wish our outfield players were that accurate. 

Floundering? 1 was deflected (but he had covered anyway) and the other went through 2 of our players who should have cleared it easily so it's no surprise that it surprised him. 

Then again, don't condone the two players that should have cleared the ball easily, just focus on the keeper doing what every keeper in the league would have done "floundering". 

Pin point? Fuck me bailey all he did was kick it into the channel. Hardly pin point. How about all the time he just booted it out of play in exactly the same position before that? Have some perspective 

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36 minutes ago, Bailey said:

The ball he played to Richarlison down the left channel was pin point. Put us straight onto the counter.

I wish our outfield players were that accurate. 

Floundering? 1 was deflected (but he had covered anyway) and the other went through 2 of our players who should have cleared it easily so it's no surprise that it surprised him. 

Then again, don't condone the two players that should have cleared the ball easily, just focus on the keeper doing what every keeper in the league would have done "floundering". 

He is a 6ft 1 bloke who can use his arms......  why when a ball is fired into the 6 yard box is he rooted to his line?

All very well calling out the centre halves who are pretty much going up man for man with opponents of the same height.... the one clear advantaged player in the 6 yard box on a corner is the keeper yet he never makes that count.

As with everything with pickford.... singular successes like "a pinpoint pass" seem to made a rule rather than the exception.... when the opposite is more the truth. His distribution is shit....I thought it was meant to be great. Not really no. 

People seem to be getting very arsey that he gets criticised for the things he consistently seems to be poor at.  Being the England keeper and having one good season for us doesn't mean he's the answer..... he's always had potential but then again he's always had the potential for being the person who stops it being realised.

No-one is calling him Richard Wright, but he's far from a reliable goally in my book.  A goally capable of making brilliant one off saves but consistently makes daft errors reads s very long list. 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

 

No-one is calling him Richard Wright, but he's far from a reliable goally in my book.  A goally capable of making brilliant one off saves but consistently makes daft errors reads s very long list. 

Pickford keeps making those brilliant saves, so they are hardly one offs are they.

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11 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Pickford keeps making those brilliant saves, so they are hardly one offs are they.

Every keeper does!!! Ffs, this is what makes me laugh, the worst keeper in the league will make at least 10 world class saves a season. 

The works class keepers are the ones who make 3 or 4 costly mistakes at most. 

Ffs.... we are risk of becoming a highlight reel club. 

We are not going to win anything without consistency.  The lad is erratic as fuck and it is evident in the trust of the backline. 

He's the least of our worries don't get me wrong but I don't have faith in him being a trophy winning keeper.  For the money we could possibly get right now is sell before his stick falls further.  I recall hart being a £60m keeper 12 months before being unable to be loaned out as a first choice. 

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39 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

For the money we could possibly get right now is sell before his stick falls further. 

If he was allowed to use a stick he'd probably have kept out the Palace goal yesterday, could just have given Benteke a poke in the eye with it. Easy.

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6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

He had 4 shots to deal with all game Matt.  1 he saved.... 1 he conceded badly, 2 hit the post of which he was floundering both times.  

One he conceded badly. One he saved brilliantly, the other two don’t count because they didn’t go in. Simple as that really. 

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48 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Every keeper does!!! Ffs, this is what makes me laugh, the worst keeper in the league will make at least 10 world class saves a season. 

The works class keepers are the ones who make 3 or 4 costly mistakes at most. 

Ffs.... we are risk of becoming a highlight reel club. 

We are not going to win anything without consistency.  The lad is erratic as fuck and it is evident in the trust of the backline. 

He's the least of our worries don't get me wrong but I don't have faith in him being a trophy winning keeper.  For the money we could possibly get right now is sell before his stick falls further.  I recall hart being a £60m keeper 12 months before being unable to be loaned out as a first choice. 

:lol: 

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4 minutes ago, Matt said:

One he conceded badly. One he saved brilliantly, the other two don’t count because they didn’t go in. Simple as that really. 

Prior to his "brilliant" save (starjump - it hit him in the shoulder).....   the previous 6 shots on target that pickford faced were conceded as goals.

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Every keeper does!!! Ffs, this is what makes me laugh, the worst keeper in the league will make at least 10 world class saves a season. 

The works class keepers are the ones who make 3 or 4 costly mistakes at most. 

Ffs.... we are risk of becoming a highlight reel club. 

We are not going to win anything without consistency.  The lad is erratic as fuck and it is evident in the trust of the backline. 

He's the least of our worries don't get me wrong but I don't have faith in him being a trophy winning keeper.  For the money we could possibly get right now is sell before his stick falls further.  I recall hart being a £60m keeper 12 months before being unable to be loaned out as a first choice. 

You'll recall laughing at me for saying he's shite...

How many points did Pickford cost us last season? I've got 2, dropped in the Derby. Pretty sure he's saved us a lot more than the one point last year. 

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5 minutes ago, pete0 said:

You'll recall laughing at me for saying he's shite...

How many points did Pickford cost us last season? I've got 2, dropped in the Derby. Pretty sure he's saved us a lot more than the one point last year. 

I recall laughing at many of your posts Pete... I'm doing that right now mate! 

TBF you called Gerrard a bang average footballer years ago and he probably is now he's retired..... 

 

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25 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

 

Prior to his "brilliant" save (starjump - it hit him in the shoulder).....   the previous 6 shots on target that pickford faced were conceded as goals.

Where its that stat from just out of curiosity? 

I do think people are hyping up that save a little much, however he was a stand out player last season and I have every faith he will be a vital part of our squad in the next few years. 

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3 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Where its that stat from just out of curiosity? 

I do think people are hyping up that save a little much, however he was a stand out player last season and I have every faith he will be a vital part of our squad in the next few years. 

Matt Cheetham - sky sports statistician.

The save was the 1st shot on target in 6 that he saved. The irony is that this is his supposed strong point.....

The whole thread is already starting to get a bit pathetic, like we are awful for criticising him.... no fans want him to make mistakes, we want him to do well..... it's just bloody annoying that he just can't get his head on being a good keeper.  

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2 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Matt Cheetham - sky sports statistician.

The save was the 1st shot on target in 6 that he saved. The irony is that this is his supposed strong point.....

The whole thread is already starting to get a bit pathetic, like we are awful for criticising him.... no fans want him to make mistakes, we want him to do well..... it's just bloody annoying that he just can't get his head on being a good keeper.  

Maybe Carlo can do a little better in keeping him grounded. We all know the quality he has, let's see him managed the right way. 

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20 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I recall laughing at many of your posts Pete... I'm doing that right now mate! 

TBF you called Gerrard a bang average footballer years ago and he probably is now he's retired..... 

 

Go back to them. Didn't even hold your hand up then either. You weren't wrong, apparently he was class but then went shit... 

Why mention Gerrard? Always hiding, always changing the subject, you're an absolute joke. 

Again, second time. How many points did Pickford cost us? 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Every keeper does!!! Ffs, this is what makes me laugh, the worst keeper in the league will make at least 10 world class saves a season. 

 

Er, you may want to speak to West Ham fans who would disagree with you!

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11 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Matt Cheetham - sky sports statistician.

The save was the 1st shot on target in 6 that he saved. The irony is that this is his supposed strong point.....

The whole thread is already starting to get a bit pathetic, like we are awful for criticising him.... no fans want him to make mistakes, we want him to do well..... it's just bloody annoying that he just can't get his head on being a good keeper.  

No one is saying you can’t criticise him, every player at the club should be criticised if they give a bad performance. 
But you want to get rid of him which most don’t, do we get rid of all players for making a mistake now or just the ones we don’t personally like. 

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3 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Go back to them. Didn't even hold your hand up then either. You weren't wrong, apparently he was class but then went shit... 

Why mention Gerrard? Always hiding, always changing the subject, you're an absolute joke. 

Again, second time. How many points did Pickford cost us? 

Pete..... do you find that you need to be right all the time?  It's ok not to be.... honest, we are all humans on here, try not to get so wound up about opinions.  It's all good mate!!! Relax! 

I quite like a fried egg on top of spag bol.... I don't expect you to like it, but I certainly don't need you to tell me that Gordon Ramsey says my taste buds are lying to me.

You were wrong, I was right, I said this, you said that...... bloomin nora is that the time.  Yawn......

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21 minutes ago, Palfy said:

No one is saying you can’t criticise him, every player at the club should be criticised if they give a bad performance. 
But you want to get rid of him which most don’t, do we get rid of all players for making a mistake now or just the ones we don’t personally like. 

In the FFP mularky.... for me he probably carries the biggest £££ vs value. 

Simple as that.  If his sale value was £20m I would keep him. But with it being more than twice that (supposedly) I would cash in now.  If that makes sense. 

 

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