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31 minutes ago, London Blue said:

No, not much of what you have said about Pickford makes much sense really.

Such as what? It's hardly left field stuff..... it's hardly like I'm one of a handful of people who are questioning him. He's being questioned by ex players, pundits and fans..... that doesn't make my opinion right but it certainly shows it's not "out there"...... you just don't like the opinion - That's all.  But that's ok, just need to accept it's my view rather than try and invalidate it with sweeping comments when I've been specific as to why I have them. 

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59 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Pete..... do you find that you need to be right all the time?  It's ok not to be.... honest, we are all humans on here, try not to get so wound up about opinions.  It's all good mate!!! Relax! 

I quite like a fried egg on top of spag bol.... I don't expect you to like it, but I certainly don't need you to tell me that Gordon Ramsey says my taste buds are lying to me.

You were wrong, I was right, I said this, you said that...... bloomin nora is that the time.  Yawn......

Be arsed with your deflections.  https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychology-self/2018/08/narcissist-arguing/

Third time haf. How many points did Jordan cost us last year?

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Staying out of this mainly.

But thought I would just add a little perspective. Jordan is another player with potential for us. He has the potential to be an excellent keeper. 
Bit this year his standard has dropped alarmingly. He is making a lot mod mistakes and seems scared to come and collect balls, which many were criticising him for last season.

I would say he is just about keeping the England's No1 title for now, but only just. At his current state, Howard was a better keeper.

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6 hours ago, pete0 said:

Be arsed with your deflections.  https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychology-self/2018/08/narcissist-arguing/

Third time haf. How many points did Jordan cost us last year?

Bloody nora Pete.... it was near 1am when you posted this... what you doing googling self-psychology articles about simeone who has been telling you to relax and not get so het up for? 

I'm not sure about the relevance of your question to be honest mate...... a goal keeper can make 3 massive blunders a game and not cost any points...cos someone like Richarlison goes and scores a goals from nothing to rescue the situation .  He made the second most errors leading to a goal in the league if that's any help to you??? 4 I believe......

I'm sorry I didn't answer you, hope it didn't keep you awake mate.

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33 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Can he get someone to do his interviews for him..... "As a person, I don’t let it affect me. But it does p*** you off.” ...... well if it pisses you off it affects you..... not the sharpest tool.

Neville isn't gonna let it lie, he will take the challenge now and will use him on Monday night football to critique him.

I mean why the fuck is he talking about his ligaments?! You fucked up, hold your hand up, move on and shut up. 

he talks about mental strength after every cock up like it doesn't bother him..... it bloody does.  Since the derby blunder he does them with regularity.  Play him against Liverpool or Newcastle and he gets wound up. 

The lad does not help himself at all. 

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8 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Such as what? It's hardly left field stuff..... it's hardly like I'm one of a handful of people who are questioning him. He's being questioned by ex players, pundits and fans..... that doesn't make my opinion right but it certainly shows it's not "out there"...... you just don't like the opinion - That's all.  But that's ok, just need to accept it's my view rather than try and invalidate it with sweeping comments when I've been specific as to why I have them. 

I'm not going to get sucked into a posting contest, and I respect your opinion, I just disagree with it. 

If pickford is so poor and constantly making mistakes then why are there very few comments in this thread from June to November?

According to the stats he has made 2 errors leading to goals this season. All players make mistakes, players miss tackles or scoring chances. It's about how they react, in the CP game Pickford made a great save and then a strong collection. 

He admitted his mistake, he will learn from it and we move on. He is still a young player, with an ego, but I quite like him having a bit of that.

Is he perfect? No, but he is very good with the potential to be great, and I'll take that.

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Bloody nora Pete.... it was near 1am when you posted this... what you doing googling self-psychology articles about simeone who has been telling you to relax and not get so het up for? 

I'm not sure about the relevance of your question to be honest mate...... a goal keeper can make 3 massive blunders a game and not cost any points...cos someone like Richarlison goes and scores a goals from nothing to rescue the situation .  He made the second most errors leading to a goal in the league if that's any help to you??? 4 I believe......

I'm sorry I didn't answer you, hope it didn't keep you awake mate.

First search on Google. Sent you similar many times but at least you've read this one. Do you not see your traits? This is basic stuff and genuinely I'd seek help if I was you. Example the 1am comment?? No relevance at all just you trying to change the subject rather than address it. 

You said on the lines of him not gonna win us a cup. As far as I can see he's only cost us one result. More often than not he makes up for his own blunders in the same game. 

What games are those? As far as I can see he only made 3 last season. So for the fourth time... 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, pete0 said:

First search on Google. Sent you similar many times but at least you've read this one. Do you not see your traits? This is basic stuff and genuinely I'd seek help if I was you. Example the 1am comment?? No relevance at all just you trying to change the subject rather than address it. 

You said on the lines of him not gonna win us a cup. As far as I can see he's only cost us one result. More often than not he makes up for his own blunders in the same game. 

What games are those? As far as I can see he only made 3 last season. So for the fourth time... 

 

 

Pete.... seriously dude. Chill out. You are getting a bit obsessed with me mate.  You do realise that the stats and fact jousting is a complete waste of time don't you? 

The best way of dealing with me is to remember how irrelevant I am to you.... don't waste your time on me mate.  You aren't going to agree with me on most things so try and accept that.

It's ok to not agree or like soneone.. it's not like you are going to change me and my narcissistic personality disorder traits over the forum.  

Have a good week dude 

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20 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Pete.... seriously dude. Chill out. You are getting a bit obsessed with me mate.  You do realise that the stats and fact jousting is a complete waste of time don't you? 

The best way of dealing with me is to remember how irrelevant I am to you.... don't waste your time on me mate.  You aren't going to agree with me on most things so try and accept that.

It's ok to not agree or like soneone.. it's not like you are going to change me and my narcissistic personality disorder traits over the forum.  

Have a good week dude 

Not obsessed at all. Just cba leaving you to spout shit without being held to account. Take responsibility. 

Fifth time. How many points as he cost us? Or do you concede you were wrong and just spouting shit because you simply don't like the player.. 

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14 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Not obsessed at all. Just cba leaving you to spout shit without being held to account. Take responsibility. 

Fifth time. How many points as he cost us? Or do you concede you were wrong and just spouting shit because you simply don't like the player.. 

Pete..... I answered the question before. Not sure if you missed it but it's impossible to say how many points he cost us as other players can mitigate the impact of a mistake by scoring at the other end.  You can count the number of errors leading to a goal, he was second highest last year and is second highest so far this year.

I think you are getting a bit OTT now mate, I suggest putting me on ignore if my posts bother you so much

Have a good day dude

 

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I've seen 

3 hours ago, London Blue said:

He admitted his mistake, he will learn from it and we move on. He is still a young player, with an ego, but I quite like him having a bit of that.

Is he perfect? No, but he is very good with the potential to be great, and I'll take that.

This. GK learning curve is a lot longer than regular outfield players. Generally speaking they peak after the age of 28, and many even after 30. Very few are considered world class at younger age like Alisson, Ederson and Oblak, but still all of them are a bit older and are playing at top clubs with superior defenders in front of them. Surely one makes less mistakes when fewer chances are presented to him. I'm pleased with Jordan. His shot stopping is one of the best, which shows his raw talent. He lacks in distribution and command of area, but these improve with experience and maturing. In couple of years we will see him getting at higher standards, even more so if we manage to improve the rest of the team. As of now, he's doing just fine. There are many other things to worry about really. Looking for a new first choice goalkeeper shouldn't be in our priorities in the foreseeable future.

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The main problem with Jordan is that he is following the Joe Hart text book of "how to get carried away with yourself".....

After the world cup Allisson made a mistake and Pickford broke the code by coming out and saying "He would never do that".... talk about putting pressure on yourself.  Since then he's been so inconsistent and erratic, he's made himself a target for fans because he can't not get involved.

The only thing that you see people praise is his shot stopping..... yes I've seen him make worldies and he is very agile and has sharp reactions but that's all he seems to have and it isn't dependable..... 

I really don't know why he's come out and fired shots against the media and Gary Neville..... just like opposition fans he can't resist the bait.

For me I would be happier to see him dropped as England number 1. I said at the time I didn't think it would be the best thing for him ... he's not mature enough and that's not an age thing..... it's him. He is very immature.   He needs to keep himself out the limelight but I think he enjoys it too much.  For me it's the only way I can see him getting the message that he needs to knuckle down. 

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10 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Pete..... I answered the question before. Not sure if you missed it but it's impossible to say how many points he cost us as other players can mitigate the impact of a mistake by scoring at the other end.  You can count the number of errors leading to a goal, he was second highest last year and is second highest so far this year.

I think you are getting a bit OTT now mate, I suggest putting me on ignore if my posts bother you so much

Have a good day dude

 

Not impossible at all. I've checked and I've got 2 points dropped, and three goals being his fault. 

So for the sixth time. How many goals was he at fault for? What games. 

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Why does England do this? The nation piles undue pressure in all its goalies. How many careers has that messed up in recent years? Frankly I’d much rather we didn’t have the England keeper on our team. Every little mistake will be exaggerated, which is bound to get to Pickford in the end and become a self-fulfilling prophecy. 

Sad to say it, but it’s much better these days not to have internationals playing on your side - unless you have a big squad. 

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49 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Why does England do this? The nation piles undue pressure in all its goalies. How many careers has that messed up in recent years? Frankly I’d much rather we didn’t have the England keeper on our team. Every little mistake will be exaggerated, which is bound to get to Pickford in the end and become a self-fulfilling prophecy. 

Sad to say it, but it’s much better these days not to have internationals playing on your side - unless you have a big squad. 

i've said the same steve, the english press ruins their own players.  it's awful.  getting a call up is a curse not a blessing.

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4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

i've said the same steve, the english press ruins their own players.  it's awful.  getting a call up is a curse not a blessing.

We love kangaroo courts in our press over here and everyone is guilty or it wouldn’t be any fun😀

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On 10/02/2020 at 20:39, pete0 said:

Not impossible at all. I've checked and I've got 2 points dropped, and three goals being his fault. 

So for the sixth time. How many goals was he at fault for? What games. 

He made 4 errors leading to goals last season mate.....  made 11 goal costing mistakes in in 133 games.

Apologies if you are waiting for more from me....  have a Google if you've got the time. Premier league stats and squawka are my sources.

Just try and remember.... it's all opinions.  He could make 20 errors a season but if you rate him then that's all you need to care about.  Like I say.... don't worry too much about what I think - it seems to wind you up but it shouldn't. 

 

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7 hours ago, StevO said:

The media love building them up and knocking them down. 
Anyone remember Svens last press conference all them years ago? Asking the press not to kill Rooney. It’s what they do. Horrible the way they do it. 

The reality is that if you are gonna be a player and be outspoken and engage fans etc... you better be good or have very thick skin.

Ian Wright spoke about it earlier and spoke very well on the subject.

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33 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He made 4 errors leading to goals last season mate.....  made 11 goal costing mistakes in in 133 games.

Apologies if you are waiting for more from me....  have a Google if you've got the time. Premier league stats and squawka are my sources.

Just try and remember.... it's all opinions.  He could make 20 errors a season but if you rate him then that's all you need to care about.  Like I say.... don't worry too much about what I think - it seems to wind you up but it shouldn't. 

 

Well stop looking at stats and reinforce your opinion. What matches, what goals not fucking hard is it? 

(Seven times of asking!) 

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47 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Well stop looking at stats and reinforce your opinion. What matches, what goals not fucking hard is it? 

(Seven times of asking!) 

You are being a bit aggressive here.... I think you probably need to leave it alone if I'm honest with you mate.

Im pretty sure you aren't suggesting that the only way someone can have an opinion is if they provide evidence?..... I told a film student that I liked Top Gun - clearly wasnt what he had in mind for a top film but......

Like I say Pete.... you like the lad and rate him.  Don't take what I think to heart... just tell yourself that Haf just plagiuerises stats and knows nothing.  I don't think you should ask me an 8th time if I'm honest mate.  I think the thread is getting a bit overloaded with this personal vendetta now. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

You are being a bit aggressive here.... I think you probably need to leave it alone if I'm honest with you mate.

Im pretty sure you aren't suggesting that the only way someone can have an opinion is if they provide evidence?..... I told a film student that I liked Top Gun - clearly wasnt what he had in mind for a top film but......

Like I say Pete.... you like the lad and rate him.  Don't take what I think to heart... just tell yourself that Haf just plagiuerises stats and knows nothing.  I don't think you should ask me an 8th time if I'm honest mate.  I think the thread is getting a bit overloaded with this personal vendetta now. 

 

 

I'm not arsed dislike him all you want because of your opinion of his personality/ego. But you're trying to hide that it's not only that stuff by bringing his performances into it. Very easy to back up the average shouts by showing the goals he's caused us to concede. So either show them or just admit you're a booh boy who just dislikes the kid. 

Edit. Forgot, 8 times of asking. 

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4 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'm not arsed dislike him all you want because of your opinion of his personality/ego. But you're trying to hide that it's not only that stuff by bringing his performances into it. Very easy to back up the average shouts by showing the goals he's caused us to concede. So either show them or just admit you're a booh boy who just dislikes the kid. 

Edit. Forgot, 8 times of asking. 

 

As I've already said there is stacks on his errors and % save rates etc etc etc..... but listing them isn't really going to do anything for you.... it just fuels the fire. 

Accept the fact that there are fans who don't agree with your opinions... it happens.  Honestly... your pursuit of some sort of answer that you want to see off me is getting a bit odd now. 

I know we have jousted etc, but I really can't be bothered with it.... I think you need to put me on ignore. 

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27 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

 

As I've already said there is stacks on his errors and % save rates etc etc etc..... but listing them isn't really going to do anything for you.... it just fuels the fire. 

Accept the fact that there are fans who don't agree with your opinions... it happens.  Honestly... your pursuit of some sort of answer that you want to see off me is getting a bit odd now. 

I know we have jousted etc, but I really can't be bothered with it.... I think you need to put me on ignore. 

But this isn't intangible. The stats show he conceded 46 goals. You're opinion is he was at fault for more than his fair share. So for the 9th time. What ones? I've identified three. Name the rest, put some evidence to show he's not that good and that this isn't just another vendetta against one of best players. 

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7 hours ago, pete0 said:

But this isn't intangible. The stats show he conceded 46 goals. You're opinion is he was at fault for more than his fair share. So for the 9th time. What ones? I've identified three. Name the rest, put some evidence to show he's not that good and that this isn't just another vendetta against one of best players. 

1. Newcastle.... last season - spilled a simple shot and Perez scored.  That's not counting the Rondon rugby tackle, and the open goal he gifted a player who missed (pulled tongues at fans)

2. Liverpool. Origi.

3. Spurs. Ran out and bumped into Zouma, son scored. The same game he allowed an easy shot from alli to go under him.... that didn't count but take your pick of either. 

4. West ham.... passed the ball to noble who set yarmolenko up.

They are the 4, he actually had the highest errors leading to shots on goal with 7.

Like I said Pete..... if I listed 20 errors - don't let it bother you.  People make their own opinions - if someone says they are cold and it's 72f then accept that they are cold - you can't beat them over the head and tell them they are warm cos it's 72f......

You must be tired today... another late one. Have a good day. I've got a busy one today so aside from the fact that I don't think anyone will benefit from any further exchanges - I won't be around to answer them. Have a good one mate

 

 

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1 minute ago, StevO said:

Haf I wish you had this level of acceptance of someone else’s opinion when Lukaku played for us. 

The irony is that it was as much if not more the other way Steve.  It's clearly a case of what side of the argument you sit isn't it mate?

Funny... depending which side of the argument you are... the moderation of harassment/repetition seems to be different. Necessary evils and all that. 

Its a strange one.... I've managed to not bring lukaku into debates. It's other people........ you guys, you crack me up!!!  Lol

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

1. Newcastle.... last season - spilled a simple shot and Perez scored.  That's not counting the Rondon rugby tackle, and the open goal he gifted a player who missed (pulled tongues at fans)

2. Liverpool. Origi.

3. Spurs. Ran out and bumped into Zouma, son scored. The same game he allowed an easy shot from alli to go under him.... that didn't count but take your pick of either. 

4. West ham.... passed the ball to noble who set yarmolenko up.

They are the 4, he actually had the highest errors leading to shots on goal with 7.

Like I said Pete..... if I listed 20 errors - don't let it bother you.  People make their own opinions - if someone says they are cold and it's 72f then accept that they are cold - you can't beat them over the head and tell them they are warm cos it's 72f......

You must be tired today... another late one. Have a good day. I've got a busy one today so aside from the fact that I don't think anyone will benefit from any further exchanges - I won't be around to answer them. Have a good one mate

 

 

Well that wasn't hard was it. Cba checking the goal so I'll take your word for it. So across a full season in your opinion he should have done better with four. To me four is exceptional, top league in the world and to only be at fault for four is pretty good going. What is your expectation zero? 

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Accoring to Premier League stats (on their own website) mistakes leading to goals this season are as follows:

  • Bednarek 3
  • Dubravka 3
  • Balbuena 2
  • Buendia 2
  • Coady 2
  • De Gea 2
  • Patricio 2
  • Jiminez 2
  • Kante 2
  • Lejeune 2
  • Leno 2
  • Lloris 2
  • Mee 2
  • Mings 2
  • Pickford 2
  • Pope 2
  • Rose 2
  • Adrian 2

The rest have 1 or less

Last season as follows:

  • Begovic 5
  • Leno 5
  • De Gea 4
  • Pickford 4
  • Sol Bamba 3
  • Debravka 3
  • Gunn 3
  • Alisson 3

The rest have 2 or less

 

All goalkeepers are highlighted.

I'd imagine the term 'mistake leading to goal' doesn't include many indirect mistakes. But for the sake of argument there is no real indication statistically that Pickford makes many more mistakes than any other top level goalkeeper.

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2 hours ago, Aidan said:

Accoring to Premier League stats (on their own website) mistakes leading to goals this season are as follows:

  • Bednarek 3
  • Dubravka 3
  • Balbuena 2
  • Buendia 2
  • Coady 2
  • De Gea 2
  • Patricio 2
  • Jiminez 2
  • Kante 2
  • Lejeune 2
  • Leno 2
  • Lloris 2
  • Mee 2
  • Mings 2
  • Pickford 2
  • Pope 2
  • Rose 2
  • Adrian 2

The rest have 1 or less

Last season as follows:

  • Begovic 5
  • Leno 5
  • De Gea 4
  • Pickford 4
  • Sol Bamba 3
  • Debravka 3
  • Gunn 3
  • Alisson 3

The rest have 2 or less

 

All goalkeepers are highlighted.

I'd imagine the term 'mistake leading to goal' doesn't include many indirect mistakes. But for the sake of argument there is no real indication statistically that Pickford makes many more mistakes than any other top level goalkeeper.

Unless you have a bug to bear about their behaviour 

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8 hours ago, Aidan said:

Accoring to Premier League stats (on their own website) mistakes leading to goals this season are as follows:

  • Bednarek 3
  • Dubravka 3
  • Balbuena 2
  • Buendia 2
  • Coady 2
  • De Gea 2
  • Patricio 2
  • Jiminez 2
  • Kante 2
  • Lejeune 2
  • Leno 2
  • Lloris 2
  • Mee 2
  • Mings 2
  • Pickford 2
  • Pope 2
  • Rose 2
  • Adrian 2

The rest have 1 or less

Last season as follows:

  • Begovic 5
  • Leno 5
  • De Gea 4
  • Pickford 4
  • Sol Bamba 3
  • Debravka 3
  • Gunn 3
  • Alisson 3

The rest have 2 or less

 

All goalkeepers are highlighted.

I'd imagine the term 'mistake leading to goal' doesn't include many indirect mistakes. But for the sake of argument there is no real indication statistically that Pickford makes many more mistakes than any other top level goalkeeper.

I know De Gea is having a bad season but he’s probably still regarded as a keeper😜

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I don’t think Pickford makes more mistakes than anyone else and he does have a point about the English media and the national team. I do however think he’s fundamentally immature in terms of how he responds to criticism.

The bratty attitude that turned that Newcastle match last season was very much a personality issue. That was a him thing - that’s who he is. Maybe he’s grown a very little bit from that but we just gotta realize these things about his demeanor and be ok with it. 

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56 minutes ago, Bailey said:

All he did!? 😂 Some of our players can't pass it 5 yards to a team mate and this fella pings it 60 yards into the run  and foot of an attacker and it's labelled as just knocking a ball in the channel and then you say I need some perspective. 

This place is fucking mad sometimes.

He wasn't rooted to his line when he collected the ball after he made the important save. If your referring to the post incident, why would a keeper be that far in front of his near post from a corner/cross or whatever it was? 

No I think the opposite is true. Just because every pass isn't great people seem to think he is crap with the ball. Even the Ederson's and Allisons of this world bung the ball into touch, duff a ball out or get caught on it, you just don't watch them as much. Pickford's distribution is up their with the best and of course it doesn't always come off, imagine if our outfield players tried the type of balls he is, they wouldn't get anywhere near his completion levels. 

It's not even about potential. He is good enough for better teams than us already and he could go on a lot further yet.

Seriously Bailey.... the one time he commanded his area and you make it look like it's bread and butter.

I don't see the big deal here.... he's far from the levels he was at pre world cup and sadly that's as much down to his mentality more than anything.

I wasn't even alert to his save percentage.. I had a feeling he wasn't getting near some shots but oddly saving ones that you wouldn't expect hi. To save.... the fact that he's 20th on 64% is concerning.

Like I say... I don't expect us to go out and buy so done else but I expect Carlo has ideas as to what he wants from his keeper. 

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Save percentage doesn't say a lot unless you compare the keepers in similar situations. I'd be surprised if a keeper was exposed more than Jordan last year with Michael Keane getting turned inside out and Gana leaving massive gaps. 

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The save percentage isn't clear..... for example we face more shots on goal under Ancelotti but concede less so there is that element.

Stats can assist the impression. My impression is that barring the odd worldie he is concefingbwhere he should be saving. 

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I know this has turned into a bit of an argument against the posters rather than the opinions, but I’m surprised that many aren’t agreeing that Pickford is underperforming compared to last year?

To me, it’s blatantly obvious that his performances have dropped. His kicking is erratic. Every match he is apologising to team mates for kicking the ball straight out of play. His saves are a mixture of great and abysmal. His command of his area is non existent. It’s his weakest area.

I don’t think for one second we should sell him, as I think he can hit previous levels again. I think he could improve on last year if he gets his head down. But, he isn’t the same keeper as last year at the moment.

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30 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I know this has turned into a bit of an argument against the posters rather than the opinions, but I’m surprised that many aren’t agreeing that Pickford is underperforming compared to last year?

To me, it’s blatantly obvious that his performances have dropped. His kicking is erratic. Every match he is apologising to team mates for kicking the ball straight out of play. His saves are a mixture of great and abysmal. His command of his area is non existent. It’s his weakest area.

I don’t think for one second we should sell him, as I think he can hit previous levels again. I think he could improve on last year if he gets his head down. But, he isn’t the same keeper as last year at the moment.

Exactly this.  His first season he was top class, i said at the time I didn't want him getting in the England squad and I believe this is what changed him.  As England's number 1, opposition fans will try and test you - press will ask you questions and quite frankly he seems to have the mental age of a 12 year old.

The best goalkeepers keep their mouths shut, they don't talk about other keepers. They get their heads down, seaman, Southall, martyn, the fella at Liverpool, schmichael - loud on the pitch quiet off it. 

Joe Hart was a top keeper till he started behaving like some primate alpha male, chest out, drawing attention to himself.... it's inevitable that mistakes will happen. You feel less of a tit if you haven't put yourself out there to be shot - pickford has and does. 

Henderson or pope getting the number 1 spot will probably do him good.  He needs to get a fire lit under his arse. Like lukaku at Inter... he has got something to prove and to me similar to lukaku - he will always need that because complacency seems to be a very obvious trait.

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6 hours ago, Shukes said:

I know this has turned into a bit of an argument against the posters rather than the opinions, but I’m surprised that many aren’t agreeing that Pickford is underperforming compared to last year?

To me, it’s blatantly obvious that his performances have dropped. His kicking is erratic. Every match he is apologising to team mates for kicking the ball straight out of play. His saves are a mixture of great and abysmal. His command of his area is non existent. It’s his weakest area.

I don’t think for one second we should sell him, as I think he can hit previous levels again. I think he could improve on last year if he gets his head down. But, he isn’t the same keeper as last year at the moment.

i've said i would be fine with selling him if we get a large amount.  we paid 30m, anything less than 50m is a no from me.  he's under performed and has attitude issues.  not a big fan over here.

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Honestly I think the winter break has come at the right time for Pickford. He needs to get home and take his mind off the pressure cooker of Premier League football so he can come back refreshed and ready to go again.

This is a time for him to have a bit of a deep dive into himself and his recent form. I still think he is a great keeper and perhaps he has lost some of his confidence and is trying to "put it on" during games. He needs to find some humility, perhaps knock his missus up and refocus on what is important in his life.

Ancelotti needs to get an arm around him a little bit and also help him out with a settled defence. That way he will have some predictability in front of him and he will know exactly where and when he needs to make a move.

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

i've said i would be fine with selling him if we get a large amount.  we paid 30m, anything less than 50m is a no from me.  he's under performed and has attitude issues.  not a big fan over here.

But you do have a bias against the English players.
 

He has arrogance, but unless it works out it’s a negative. He’s still one of the top 10 in the world 

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17 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Seriously Bailey.... the one time he commanded his area and you make it look like it's bread and butter.

I don't see the big deal here.... he's far from the levels he was at pre world cup and sadly that's as much down to his mentality more than anything.

I wasn't even alert to his save percentage.. I had a feeling he wasn't getting near some shots but oddly saving ones that you wouldn't expect hi. To save.... the fact that he's 20th on 64% is concerning.

Like I say... I don't expect us to go out and buy so done else but I expect Carlo has ideas as to what he wants from his keeper. 

Why are you over exaggerating? I gave one example in the game to counter your erroneous (IMO) example.

The weekend was clearly a big mistake but that aside I don't see many shots conceded that he should be saving. If anything, I see him making more saves I wouldn't expect him to make. 

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38 minutes ago, Matt said:

But you do have a bias against the English players.
 

He has arrogance, but unless it works out it’s a negative. He’s still one of the top 10 in the world 

i wouldn't call it a bias, i would call what all you have is a bias, i would call what i have is a realistic valuation.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Why are you over exaggerating? I gave one example in the game to counter your erroneous (IMO) example.

The weekend was clearly a big mistake but that aside I don't see many shots conceded that he should be saving. If anything, I see him making more saves I wouldn't expect him to make. 

It's not an erroneous example ... he doesn't command his area. We are piss poor from set pieces and much of it is down to him not asserting himself on balls fired in that 4 to 7 yard corridor.

Disagree as much as you like.... I've seen it enough times to know it's true. 

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23 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

It's not an erroneous example ... he doesn't command his area. We are piss poor from set pieces and much of it is down to him not asserting himself on balls fired in that 4 to 7 yard corridor.

Disagree as much as you like.... I've seen it enough times to know it's true. 

So when Pickford came and assertively claimed the ball through several players, after the save from Benteke was that a fluke?

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

i wouldn't call it a bias, i would call what all you have is a bias, i would call what i have is a realistic valuation.

I know what you mean, it’s not bias. Not sure what the word is 

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37 minutes ago, London Blue said:

So when Pickford came and assertively claimed the ball through several players, after the save from Benteke was that a fluke?

When I do the hoovering in the house it's not a fluke.... it's just something I'm not used to doing.  Same thing really

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3 minutes ago, Matt said:

I know what you mean, it’s not bias. Not sure what the word is 

Mark thinks that we all think our English players are great (I don’t see it with anything other than Sky Sports myself, and certainly not in Evertonians), he just thinks the opposite. 

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Just now, StevO said:

Mark thinks that we all think our English players are great (I don’t see it with anything other than Sky Sports myself, and certainly not in Evertonians), he just thinks the opposite. 

Don’t think he means that and still don’t know how to respond properly!

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I’ll have a go...

At least here, we have no predisposition in belief that since a player is English, he’s better. No doubt that there’s a premium on transfers between English teams, because the media benefits as do many. 

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22 minutes ago, StevO said:

Mark thinks that we all think our English players are great (I don’t see it with anything other than Sky Sports myself, and certainly not in Evertonians), he just thinks the opposite. 

yes to some extent.  it's not a knock, myself and other americans do the same with american players (Howard, Pulisic, Dempsey, etc).  hell i thought we should have bought yedlin back in the day before he went to newcastle.

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13 hours ago, Shukes said:

I know this has turned into a bit of an argument against the posters rather than the opinions, but I’m surprised that many aren’t agreeing that Pickford is underperforming compared to last year?

To me, it’s blatantly obvious that his performances have dropped. His kicking is erratic. Every match he is apologising to team mates for kicking the ball straight out of play. His saves are a mixture of great and abysmal. His command of his area is non existent. It’s his weakest area.

I don’t think for one second we should sell him, as I think he can hit previous levels again. I think he could improve on last year if he gets his head down. But, he isn’t the same keeper as last year at the moment.

The whole team had been underperforming until Silva was shown the door, he’s improved as much everyone else since Ferguson and then Ancelotti took over, but that doesn’t mean he won’t make mistakes as everyone in the team will. 

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35 minutes ago, Palfy said:

The whole team had been underperforming until Silva was shown the door, he’s improved as much everyone else since Ferguson and then Ancelotti took over, but that doesn’t mean he won’t make mistakes as everyone in the team will. 

Ye but we’re in the Pickford thread mate. And just because I have a cluster headache, it doesn’t make my missus average headache hurt any less.

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16 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Ye but we’re in the Pickford thread mate. And just because I have a cluster headache, it doesn’t make my missus average headache hurt any less.

OK fair enough Shukes I look forward to your critique of the 15 or so other players who are equally guilty of being poor this season in their particular threads🤷‍♂️

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