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4 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Fuckin'ell that me proven wrong, oh the shame 😱... Not that you've cherry picked at all. Any how thought this wasn't a big and right out wrong game and I should chill out. Your head's well and truly fell off. Fuck me, now you mention Harry Kane. Failed at every club bar one, and England's worse player at the world cup. Let's see how he does without Eriksen. 

Like I said Pete... it's fine to be wrong. We are all wrong... you are in good company in being wrong.... but just alone in the fact that you think you never are.

It's been exhilarating but I'm watching some golf now.  

Have a good evening (i mean that genuinely, these debates are like athletes foot, really irritating but almost worth having for the satisfaction you get from the scratching)  

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15 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Like I said Pete... it's fine to be wrong. We are all wrong... you are in good company in being wrong.... but just alone in the fact that you think you never are.

It's been exhilarating but I'm watching some golf now.  

Have a good evening (i mean that genuinely, these debates are like athletes foot, really irritating but almost worth having for the satisfaction you get from the scratching)  

Knowing when you're wrong helps you grow as a person. I'm happy to be told and learn. Can you say the same? Care to go back and show the rest of the Gerrard discussion? You're very tory politician like in your arguing. 

Any how to go full circle, the whole argument is you being wrong about Pickford so your fast from winning, although thought this wasn't about winning eh? If it makes you feel better you know more about golf than I do. 

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2 minutes ago, Bill said:

This forum is going down the pan. Time to give out some suspensions.

The reporting function is still there if you want to use it Bill. 

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8 hours ago, Bill said:

This forum is going down the pan. Time to give out some suspensions.

For what it's worth bill I've tried to somehow change the dynamic of the tiring and petty exchanges with Pete over the last week. 

The fact of the matter is that it's not debate he wants - it's argument, a rise, he can't stop. 

He's on ignore now. Hopefully that will eradicate alot of shit.  Just depends on how he deals with it and if he finds someone else to get his fix from. 

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10 hours ago, Bill said:

This forum is going down the pan. Time to give out some suspensions.

We should have a card system 😉 

Yellow cards are warnings and red is a suspension haha. They can appeal, but may receive an extra few days ban. 

Wonder how many I would have had by now?

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8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

If Pickford's ego is as big as the amateur psychoanalysis guru's profess then I hope he never reads this thread and sees that people are talking more about red shite players than him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neville-southall-tells-everton-goalkeeper-17729285.amp

He could do worse than just read this very diplomatic piece from Southall. Who as straight talking as he is... doesn't tend to give keepers a hard time. It's not in his code.

Don't moan, do something about it.  You've done ok but you need to improve and without competition that  will only come from yourself.  You need to concentrate.....

He's not come out and said "pickford is getting unfairly slated, he's not said people need to get off his back".... he's saying the stuff we are seeing on this thread. 

If like for Southall to be a mentor for him

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3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neville-southall-tells-everton-goalkeeper-17729285.amp

He could do worse than just read this very diplomatic piece from Southall. Who as straight talking as he is... doesn't tend to give keepers a hard time. It's not in his code.

Don't moan, do something about it.  You've done ok but you need to improve and without competition that  will only come from yourself.  You need to concentrate.....

He's not come out and said "pickford is getting unfairly slated, he's not said people need to get off his back".... he's saying the stuff we are seeing on this thread. 

If like for Southall to be a mentor for him

I was just coming on to post that article. Wanker.

None of us know what's going on behind doors. Not us, not Southall. For all we know he's had his little moan in the press but he's doing exactly what Southall says he should do there - looking at himself, working hard in training, wanting to prove people wrong with his performances on the pitch.

That's the bit I mostly take issue with. The people going round making all these statements about what they believe he's thinking and feeling, because no one knows!

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Just now, Romey 1878 said:

I was just coming on to post that article. Wanker.

None of us know what's going on behind doors. Not us, not Southall. For all we know he's had his little moan in the press but he's doing exactly what Southall says he should do there - looking at himself, working hard in training, wanting to prove people wrong with his performances on the pitch.

That's the bit I mostly take issue with. The people going round making all these statements about what they believe he's thinking and feeling, because no one knows!

Very true.  

For me Joe Hart having his rapid fall from lofty heights not long after giving it the big alpha make bollocks in an England shirt, and Pickford following suit set alarm bells off big time.  

Pickford will always have a spikey way about him. Ex managers are on record saying he will argue and argue,  "pass the ball to x and he will distribute".... "why? IM  a better passer than him"  was the response to one manager gave.  Allardyce said he was cocky at Sunderland and he liked it.

The thing is... I Think they do like that in young keepers as you won't make the step up without it - but as they get older it probably needs tempering.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/neville-southall-tells-everton-goalkeeper-17729285.amp

He could do worse than just read this very diplomatic piece from Southall. Who as straight talking as he is... doesn't tend to give keepers a hard time. It's not in his code.

Don't moan, do something about it.  You've done ok but you need to improve and without competition that  will only come from yourself.  You need to concentrate.....

He's not come out and said "pickford is getting unfairly slated, he's not said people need to get off his back".... he's saying the stuff we are seeing on this thread. 

If like for Southall to be a mentor for him

Great article. 

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13 hours ago, StevO said:

The reporting function is still there if you want to use it Bill. 

No point Steve I would be reporting dozens of posts on 3 or 4 threads. I go on many threads to see the latest posts and all I see is the same people having  another argument.

I'm no longer a steward but if I was this would never have got so bad. Like I said this forum is going down the pan.

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55 minutes ago, Bill said:

No point Steve I would be reporting dozens of posts on 3 or 4 threads. I go on many threads to see the latest posts and all I see is the same people having  another argument.

I'm no longer a steward but if I was this would never have got so bad. Like I said this forum is going down the pan.

Its not that bad mate, just people getting board between the long gap in football. This is a very good site, with allot of very good members, just have to wait it out for the next match.

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56 minutes ago, Bill said:

No point Steve I would be reporting dozens of posts on 3 or 4 threads. I go on many threads to see the latest posts and all I see is the same people having  another argument.

I'm no longer a steward but if I was this would never have got so bad. Like I said this forum is going down the pan.

It can’t be that bad Bill, we still have lots of visitors each day. 

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

No point Steve I would be reporting dozens of posts on 3 or 4 threads. I go on many threads to see the latest posts and all I see is the same people having  another argument.

I'm no longer a steward but if I was this would never have got so bad. Like I said this forum is going down the pan.

The arguments are annoying but it’s part of “debate”. If we see them getting personal again, the posts will start being deleted again and bans will start coming out. 

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43 minutes ago, Matt said:

The arguments are annoying but it’s part of “debate”. If we see them getting personal again, the posts will start being deleted again and bans will start coming out. 

😳Jeez going down that route there will be hardly anyone left😜

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49 minutes ago, Matt said:

The arguments are annoying but it’s part of “debate”. If we see them getting personal again, the posts will start being deleted again and bans will start coming out. 

And the ignore function is working too.... 

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When it comes to Pickford I’m going to take big Nev’s advice, and not try to pretend I know a lot about being a keeper, like he said about Gary Nevilles criticism what does he know, like most of us on here pretty much nothing about being a keeper. 
So I’m gonna sit respectfully quiet and let Pickford prove his critics wrong, and there’s no use trying to debate with me the intricacies of been a good or bad keeper, because you probably know less than me and I know nothing😝

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

😳Jeez going down that route there will be hardly anyone left😜

Personally I think if you look at other football forums or any other forum or social media in general the "arguments" on here are minimal; even when we hit on the "taboos" like religion/politics & Lukaku. Heated exchanges at times for sure but nothing wrong with that in my book.

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3 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Personally I think if you look at other football forums or any other forum or social media in general the "arguments" on here are minimal; even when we hit on the "taboos" like religion/politics & Lukaku. Heated exchanges at times for sure but nothing wrong with that in my book.

If I could give this 1000 likes I would.  I only have 1 other forum I visit that has as high a level of civility and respect between the members.  One of my other favorite things about TT for is the diversity of age of posters. Most forums are millennial or gen X heavy that I visit.  I love reading from John and Bill and Palfy and others about the old days, it helps to give a better perspective to newer fans like myself.

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24 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Personally I think if you look at other football forums or any other forum or social media in general the "arguments" on here are minimal; even when we hit on the "taboos" like religion/politics & Lukaku. Heated exchanges at times for sure but nothing wrong with that in my book.

I agree with you Mike to a degree, I don't mind an argument I've had plenty on this forum myself, but when you visit threads on here most are ruined with the same people arguing and the same posts going backwards and forwards, Its becoming so boring and killing all the pleasure.

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49 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Personally I think if you look at other football forums or any other forum or social media in general the "arguments" on here are minimal; even when we hit on the "taboos" like religion/politics & Lukaku. Heated exchanges at times for sure but nothing wrong with that in my book.

I would generally agree with you but I did let that side of it, and myself down on politics😀
But you’re right the last week or so hasn’t been abusive, for me it’s been dare I say a little petty a bit of handbags, and that’s what happens in life generally god knows I’ve got myself in that situation a few times in the past, I think and this is my new philosophy, when you feel you’ve said all you can on a subject, and anything else is starting to become a clash of personalities or tit for tat then stop, you probably will have more to lose than gain by carrying on. 
 

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11 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I would generally agree with you but I did let that side of it, and myself down on politics😀
But you’re right the last week or so hasn’t been abusive, for me it’s been dare I say a little petty a bit of handbags, and that’s what happens in life generally god knows I’ve got myself in that situation a few times in the past, I think and this is my new philosophy, when you feel you’ve said all you can on a subject, and anything else is starting to become a clash of personalities or tit for tat then stop, you probably will have more to lose than gain by carrying on. 
 

Ignore button.... it's the future! 

Totally off topic. Just watched "12 years a slave"..... really angry right now.  Harrowing.  I thought there may be a good ending...... nothing good about it. 

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8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

That Dubravka is brilliant. Not. 

You wont find any Geordies who dislike him. They love him.  Messed up for their 3rd goal.....  most reckon he's kept them above relegation.  Seriously. 

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21 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Ignore button.... it's the future! 

Totally off topic. Just watched "12 years a slave"..... really angry right now.  Harrowing.  I thought there may be a good ending...... nothing good about it. 

I do currently have someone on ignore and I must say I have been a lot calmer, although I do occasionally have a look at their posts but don’t respond, it’s a good option to use when things are at a stalemate and becoming more personal, it can only be good for you them and others reading the posts, to put a stop to the bullshit. 
 

I have seen 12 Years a slave a few years ago now. 

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7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Ignore button.... it's the future! 

Totally off topic. Just watched "12 years a slave"..... really angry right now.  Harrowing.  I thought there may be a good ending...... nothing good about it. 

If you haven't watched them yet Haf, try Marshall, Just mercy and Detroit, more modern than 12yrs but all based on true events.

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6 hours ago, KinL said:

If you haven't watched them yet Haf, try Marshall, Just mercy and Detroit, more modern than 12yrs but all based on true events.

Don't think I could handle it.  Id feel the need to get in a time machine armed with an AK47...... how can people treat others as possessions based on the colour of their skin? Just bloody wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Don't think I could handle it.  Id feel the need to get in a time machine armed with an AK47...... how can people treat others as possessions based on the colour of their skin? Just bloody wrong. 

Sadly it still happens mate, even in this country people are praying on the desperation of others, they have change the boundaries of forcing people into slavery, but it ends up with the same result in the end. 

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On 17/02/2020 at 05:09, Hafnia said:

Possibly ... possibly not.  I'd have him as competition for pickford put it that way.

He would be an excellent back up and I believe he would get the best out pickford which is what I believe we all want.

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3 minutes ago, Btay said:

He would be an excellent back up and I believe he would get the best out pickford which is what I believe we all want.

What keeper who is currently first choice in the PL would come to Everton as back up though?

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Just now, StevO said:

What keeper who is currently first choice in the PL would come to Everton as back up though?

Lossl was although in relegated team...

Robles did when he was at Wigan also relegated.

I get relegation hinders my point but if we get Europe who knows. My main point is like us to have a proper good back up - I think Pickford can unlock another couple of levels and if he does that the sky is the limit for him.

 

For the record - i would much rather see pickford reach his potential than us but another keeper. He’s ours, I do support him, I’ve just highlighted the few areas I feel he needs to improve on...

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53 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Great management....

Not sure if you meant that or if you were being sarcastic, after all we are talking about Pickford and you are not an admirer of his at the moment, were Ancelotti from that would very much seem to be. 
Or is great management because you think he’s saying it because he has to but in reality he doesn’t mean it.

 I’m just curious to know what you meant by that, It could be interpreted in so many ways ?

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

Not sure if you meant that or if you were being sarcastic, after all we are talking about Pickford and you are not an admirer of his at the moment, were Ancelotti from that would very much seem to be. 
Or is great management because you think he’s saying it because he has to but in reality he doesn’t mean it.

 I’m just curious to know what you meant by that, It could be interpreted in so many ways ?

Great management to support him. Genuinely. 

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On 16/02/2020 at 18:12, Hafnia said:

Ignore button.... it's the future! 

Totally off topic. Just watched "12 years a slave"..... really angry right now.  Harrowing.  I thought there may be a good ending...... nothing good about it. 

You’ve mentioned that ignore button three times it’s as if you’re trying to get a reaction. 🤦‍♂️ 
 

Anyway back on track. Pickford has given himself a target on his back with the press and it seems as if every game he’s trying harder and harder to prove himself. In every other position on the pitch that’s great as your additional effort would normally improve performance. However as a keeper you need to remain anonymous/ non eventful (other than a save) so you don’t really have it in your control to turn it round as proving consistent error free performances takes time (which he’s not got due to the Euros) and therefore I think he’s trying to showcase himself and it’s going badly wrong.

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2 hours ago, barryj said:

You’ve mentioned that ignore button three times it’s as if you’re trying to get a reaction. 🤦‍♂️ 
 

Anyway back on track. Pickford has given himself a target on his back with the press and it seems as if every game he’s trying harder and harder to prove himself. In every other position on the pitch that’s great as your additional effort would normally improve performance. However as a keeper you need to remain anonymous/ non eventful (other than a save) so you don’t really have it in your control to turn it round as proving consistent error free performances takes time (which he’s not got due to the Euros) and therefore I think he’s trying to showcase himself and it’s going badly wrong.

Over a week ago that post mate... and things are much better because of ignore.  The post was very relevant at that time. 

Back on track.... Sadly it's pretty clear that the lad struggles with ego/bravado.   He can get talked into  losing his focus..... he's stubborn and stupid.

From the get go the arsenal players were onto him as soon as the ball was at his feet.  It was very clever....  almost as if they were daring him to try and play. He's like Michael J Fox in back to the future.... "You a chicken?"..... then that's it.... he does exactly what you wanted him to do.   Arteta bought Guendouzi on......  and it worked a treat, he got right into pickfords head.  Pressed the shit out of pickford as if to dare him to go short and he did and it nearly cost us a 4th goal.

After he did that pickford was wound up.  Another ball was played back, Gwendouzi was onto him...... pickford delayed the kick and purposely took a piece of him.  

In short.... he just can not help himself. Immature and stupid.  He gets wound up into doing things that he shouldn't.  It completely takes his head off the game. 

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3 hours ago, Btay said:

Donarumma all day long over Pickford.  23m?  We paid 30 for Pickford and could probably get 30 back for him.  I would do this in a heartbeat.

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6 hours ago, Matt said:

At least Henderson has proven himself in this league

Not sure how goalkeepers find our league tougher than others.  

Dida and Buffon both highly rate this lad... 

I doubt we will get him as he could probably go to any club he wants really. Hopefully carlo can work his magic. 

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2 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure how goalkeepers find our league tougher than others.  

Dida and Buffon both highly rate this lad... 

I doubt we will get him as he could probably go to any club he wants really. Hopefully carlo can work his magic. 

 Kepa was supposed to be some amazing young foreign keeper who hasn’t coped. De Gea took at least a season before he got any good. Courtois was loaned out a few times then sold on. 

I can accept Pickfords weaknesses. I know this lad has gotten plaudits for years but that’s in the Italian league and he started really young. But will he adapt immediately or need development? 

Either way, at the price proposed, I wouldn’t be upset. But I’d rather Henderson IF we have to replace Pickford. But, end of the day, I don’t want to replace him because he doesn’t need replacing. 

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7 minutes ago, Matt said:

 Kepa was supposed to be some amazing young foreign keeper who hasn’t coped. De Gea took at least a season before he got any good. Courtois was loaned out a few times then sold on.

false on kepa, he was highly rated in spain but that's it, once courtois was sold they had their pants down and had to make a signing.  Bilbao knew they needed him and they held them ransom.  i had never heard of him and read many articles at the time saying he's a good keeper but no where near worth that, basically their version of Gylfi and the price we paid for him.  

 

tim howard was a foreign keeper and he was a stalwart for us.  allison played in italy and he adapted well to the premier league.  italy has strong defenses and the keepers will learn organization the italian way.  i'd rather an italian keeper than a spanish or french one, neither of those leagues defend very well.  german or italian makes sense.

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3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

false on kepa, he was highly rated in spain but that's it, once courtois was sold they had their pants down and had to make a signing.  Bilbao knew they needed him and they held them ransom.  i had never heard of him and read many articles at the time saying he's a good keeper but no where near worth that, basically their version of Gylfi and the price we paid for him.  

 

tim howard was a foreign keeper and he was a stalwart for us.  allison played in italy and he adapted well to the premier league.  italy has strong defenses and the keepers will learn organization the italian way.  i'd rather an italian keeper than a spanish or french one, neither of those leagues defend very well.  german or italian makes sense.

Not at all false. Kepa has failed and was a young forgein keeper brought in as the next big thing. 

 Howard had multiple seasons of experience in our league before joining us and we had a more stable defense than we do at the moment. 

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24 minutes ago, Matt said:

 Kepa was supposed to be some amazing young foreign keeper who hasn’t coped. De Gea took at least a season before he got any good. Courtois was loaned out a few times then sold on. 

I can accept Pickfords weaknesses. I know this lad has gotten plaudits for years but that’s in the Italian league and he started really young. But will he adapt immediately or need development? 

Either way, at the price proposed, I wouldn’t be upset. But I’d rather Henderson IF we have to replace Pickford. But, end of the day, I don’t want to replace him because he doesn’t need replacing. 

My concern with Henderson like pickford is that he is English.   I said ages ago I didn't want pickford playing for England as I had concerns it would change him with the media etc. 

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4 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

My concern with Henderson like pickford is that he is English.   I said ages ago I didn't want pickford playing for England as I had concerns it would change him with the media etc. 

add joe hart to the list too......

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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

My concern with Henderson like pickford is that he is English.   I said ages ago I didn't want pickford playing for England as I had concerns it would change him with the media etc. 

His nationality is irrelevant. He’s been very good this season. Form over anything else

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We have at our club in Pickford one of the best young keepers in the country if not Europe, and most are looking to see who will be his best replacement as if he’s going to be sold some time soon.

 I can’t see it myself we have 5-6 other area's that need sorting out before we start looking at our keeper 🤷‍♂️

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