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5 hours ago, Palfy said:

It’s taking Southgate a long time to come to this realisation that Pickford isn’t good enough, some on here have been banging on about how poor he is for 18 months, yet numerous club managers and the England manager don’t seem to see it that way, and the latter doesn’t need to go into the transfer market to replace him, he can pick any of the keepers you have mentioned yet he doesn’t. 
So there must be something about him that others see and his detractors don’t.  
I personally don’t think he’s the best keeper in the league I would put him at 3 or 4, which is a bonus for us considering we are struggling to be top 10.

Like mjb said... international keepers aren't rotated and dropped and bought back in.  They get a shot and even when they have a shit time they are persevered with till the moment comes where they are dropped.

Hart was picked long in to his decline, as was seaman... he was given the 2002 world cup lobbed by ronaldinho then more games to fail.  Shilton, James.... the list goes on.  They play well past the time where the form suggests they should have been dropped. 

I'd have Ryan, Henderson, ederson, Allison, pope, Heaton, schmichael. De gea, ahead of him... and that's before we get to debating the likes of debruvka, krul, fabianksi etc...

He should be near the top based on reputation etc... for me he's not near. 

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6 hours ago, StevO said:

Since lockdown we’ve conceded one goal from an on fire Danny Ings, one own goal, one goal where our player kicks the ball at on opponent and it goes in. Three goals. Only one of which came from an opposition team cutting us open and scoring. Two unfortunate incidents for two of our most in form players in Keane and Holgate. 
For those three goals we played five matches. Liverpool, Norwich, Leicester, Spurs and Southampton. 
I’ve not missed a minute of these games, I’ve not seen Pickford throw one in. Seen him drop the ball and go unpunished once or twice. But from the three goals we’ve conceded in the last five games, Pickford is not out of form at all. If anything our back five in most games has been solid, even when Mina came in for Holgate. 
 

Got to ask anyone who thinks we need rid of Pickford. Who’s going to buy him?

To be honest, if you have watched every minute of these games and not saw Pickford drop a ball..... you simply turned away.... his beat fans have started questioning him.

But.... I think he is still a good keeper and one we should work with. For me, he needs a good smacking to bring him down to earth and he could be great.

 

edit: sorry just read your post again. Think I misunderstood you. You were saying you SAW him drop and go unpunished.

My mistake mate.

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Looking at the goals conceded in the first half of the season and I've got him to blame for two of them. At a push if you're Gary Neville you could argue three, as he reckons Pickford was to blame for the city fk. 

The ones I've got him responsible for are the first goals against Brighton and Sheffield, although I'd argue the Sheffield one he was obstructed but he/we got fucked by VAR. 

Not looked at the rest of the season yet but 2 from the 24 conceded in the first half isn't bad. He's only cost us 1 point, which is all he cost us in the whole of last season (I had him to blame for three goals last year). 

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That there just now is why I’d happily sell Pickford (as he just stops a one on one!!!) almost throws one into his own goal then laughs it off. Aside from thinking he wouldn’t be that hard to replace - he just seems a bit of an idiot to me. He may not have been directly at fault for many goals but he’s very clumsy and gets away with a lot.

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Need a calming influence in between the sticks. His been so erratic (Only one match since project restart where he hasn’t made a clear error?) His only saviour is the fact there are more pressing issues to deal with which says a lot more about the mess we’re in. Made two today that can only be down to concentration. I think he should be dropped for last few games.

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2 hours ago, c1982 said:

That there just now is why I’d happily sell Pickford (as he just stops a one on one!!!) almost throws one into his own goal then laughs it off. Aside from thinking he wouldn’t be that hard to replace - he just seems a bit of an idiot to me. He may not have been directly at fault for many goals but he’s very clumsy and gets away with a lot.

Sadly... my overriding feeling is he's a bit of a tit.  That's fine, be tit at home or whatever.  You are wearing the Everton shirt and fucking about like you are playing 60 seconds with your mates. 

I honestly do not understand what people are defending? He's got pope and co breathing down his neck and he behaves like he's untouchable.  A big fall awaits. 

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7 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Sadly... my overriding feeling is he's a bit of a tit.  That's fine, be tit at home or whatever.  You are wearing the Everton shirt and fucking about like you are playing 60 seconds with your mates. 

I honestly do not understand what people are defending? He's got pope and co breathing down his neck and he behaves like he's untouchable.  A big fall awaits. 

Fans are making a mockery of the holy trinity.

Did anyone ever watch Allan Ball?

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To think we used to laugh at Liverpool and ridicule Bruce Dropalaaa... calling him a clown.  Liverpool's persevered with him because 1.  They could afford to with the outfield they had.  2. He was a good shot stopper on his day. 

Most fans still wanted a Ray Clemence in goal because of the stability he gave. 

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The way people are moaning comes across like you wanted it to go in so you can give the lad some jib. It's absolutely pathetic, that type of fumble happens every week and as long as it doesn't go in that's all that matters. Happened in one of the matches I've watched in the past week and I couldn't even tell you which one as it's really not that big of a deal. 

Pickford's not costing us comical goals, he's not costing us many goals at all. If anything he's one of the only one who's done his job this season. But no he pulls his tongue out when he gets lucky, lynch him! 

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46 minutes ago, pete0 said:

The way people are moaning comes across like you wanted it to go in so you can give the lad some jib. It's absolutely pathetic, that type of fumble happens every week and as long as it doesn't go in that's all that matters. Happened in one of the matches I've watched in the past week and I couldn't even tell you which one as it's really not that big of a deal. 

Pickford's not costing us comical goals, he's not costing us many goals at all. If anything he's one of the only one who's done his job this season. But no he pulls his tongue out when he gets lucky, lynch him! 

I’ll admit I’m one mate. Ashamed for it.

But I almost wanted us to get hammered 6-0 today, just to let those freeloaders know how it feels to be ashamed. But honestly, I still don’t think they would feel it, they don’t care enough. I’m ashamed today. 

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3 hours ago, Shukes said:

I’ll admit I’m one mate. Ashamed for it.

But I almost wanted us to get hammered 6-0 today, just to let those freeloaders know how it feels to be ashamed. But honestly, I still don’t think they would feel it, they don’t care enough. I’m ashamed today. 

Gobshites galore picking up a wedge.  Apparently a keeper with butter fingers, who has brain farts, gets beat with alarming regularity on his near post thinks it's ok to laugh and pull tongues when making errors.....  it's not fucking funny.  It's not Monday night at the astroturf with your mates sweating out the weekend ale....  it's premier league footy.

Sick of the piss poor attitude resonating through the team.  His bravado - cos that's what it is - bravado, stinks of an immature arrogant player who has got far too big for his boots.  That world cup is the worst thing to happen to him.

Not just him, but strangely he is one of our most saleable assets right now... he won't be.  Id honestly offer him to Burnley plus £10m for pope. 

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6 minutes ago, Matt said:

Some of the stuff I’m reading is truly pathetic. That’s about as much contribution as this thread deserves at the moment. 

Matt, fans are pissed off big time.  It seems certain players are ok to get shit thrown at them but others aren't?

Why does Tom Davies get so much shite thrown at him for being crap and it's ok?  The lad at least shows he cares for the shirt.  Yes he's not good enough and most of us accept that and understand that his inclusion is down to previously overpaid transfers being moved on or benched because they are shite with bad attitudes.

Pickford if he showed an ounce of humility would probably get a bit of slack but it doesn't takeaway the fact that statistically he is a poor keeper. There is absolutely nothing in his stats that show him as being a good keeper.  Look beyond that and you can see how much he unsettles his defence, they don't trust him. 

Yet some fans on here seem to think he's is off limits cos he's England's number 1?  He isn't and he won't be much longer. The decline started after the world cup and nothing has happened to change it.

No way will Ancellotti persevere with him.

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5 hours ago, Sibdane said:

 I have to agree that Pickford is a bit overrated, but like others have said, we have bigger priorities to tackle before looking at replacing him. 

Overated by who? Pundits are lining up to have a pop at him and have been for months; the only person (Ancelotti aside) whose opinion matters is Gareth Southgate and so far he's stuck with him.

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54 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Overated by who? Pundits are lining up to have a pop at him and have been for months; the only person (Ancelotti aside) whose opinion matters is Gareth Southgate and so far he's stuck with him.

People on this forum. 

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32 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Anyone want  a £10 charity bet then? Pickford will be dropped for Pope or a.n other for England by next 3 internationals? 

No one else is that arsed about if your opinion is right or wrong to put their own money on it mate. 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Anyone want  a £10 charity bet then? Pickford will be dropped for Pope or a.n other for England by next 3 internationals? 

I'll pay a tenner to a local charity if he's dropped over the next 3 internationals. You might need to remind me Haf.

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2 hours ago, StevO said:

No one else is that arsed about if your opinion is right or wrong to put their own money on it mate. 

There seems to be a high level of confidence that Southgate knows what he's doing and us moaners just can't see what a top keeper he is. So much so he will keep his England jersey.....

Just thought I'd test the level of confidence. I don't need to know if I'm right.... im pretty sure my opinion is solid and the facts back it up.  Makes too many mistakes, not enough saves, and not much of anything else. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Matt said:

Now there’s bets against one of our players failing? Embarrassing.

No. The bet is to test how convinced people are that Southgate rates him and he's England's best.

Laughing at making mistakes when 2-0 down is failing...   

As they said on toffeetv, the only thing he seems to give a shit about is the England shirt.  Doesn't try half the antics, gobbing off at his defenders, goading opposition fans, laughing at mistakes when he's got the 3 lions on.  

Michael Ball wrote a damning piece about the players and in particular Pickford.  Tough to disagree with any of it. 

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10 hours ago, c1982 said:

Not sure what Carlos on about.... he's Jordan pickford - England's best keeper.... doesn't make mistakes any more than other keepers. 

I'd probably be looking at rightmove if i was pickford.  No way is Ancellotti not going to sign a keeper. 

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10 hours ago, c1982 said:

He has been poor of late and he obviously recognises that, but the manager also knows he has got ability and is willing to give the opportunity to get back to were he should be, but that won’t be for ever so a reaction is required from him, he as point to prove, and I believe he will 

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1 minute ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure what Carlos on about.... he's Jordan pickford - England's best keeper.... doesn't make mistakes any more than other keepers. 

I'd probably be looking at rightmove if i was pickford.  No way is Ancellotti not going to sign a keeper. 

There’s no way he will because a/ doesn’t need to and plenty of positions absolutely do, and b/ Pickford is a very good keeper despite making some daft mistakes (don’t think anyone has denied the last bit nor claimed he’s the best keeper ever). At least in the next 2 windows. 
 

i know you’ve chosen your new chew toy but come on now. Carlo has spoken of his quality, spoken about his attitude and told him the latter is not good enough. Keeper agreed. How you’ve equated that to him definitely getting a new keeper and Pickford being moved on would be a mystery to most. 

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12 hours ago, c1982 said:

Everton have been poor in their past three games but the manner of defeat at Wolves marked a new low for Ancelotti. “When there is no fight I think this is not the DNA of this club,” he said.

“My style is to have a direct relationship and direct communication with the players. I speak with them for a lot of reasons – technical reasons, tactical reasons, behavioural reasons; a lot of things. In the last few days we have focused on the attitude. Today in training I have seen a different attitude and I hope that tomorrow it will be the same in the game.”

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4 hours ago, Matt said:

There’s no way he will because a/ doesn’t need to and plenty of positions absolutely do, and b/ Pickford is a very good keeper despite making some daft mistakes (don’t think anyone has denied the last bit nor claimed he’s the best keeper ever). At least in the next 2 windows. 
 

i know you’ve chosen your new chew toy but come on now. Carlo has spoken of his quality, spoken about his attitude and told him the latter is not good enough. Keeper agreed. How you’ve equated that to him definitely getting a new keeper and Pickford being moved on would be a mystery to most. 

Carlo doesn't do mourinho washing in public....  he's a nice fella but he doesnt tolerate shite. 

I took his interview as being.... yeah he's got talent but at the moment he's shite, I've told him it's shite.... and I'm not having it. Sort it or get gone. 

 

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25 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Carlo doesn't do mourinho washing in public....  he's a nice fella but he doesnt tolerate shite. 

I took his interview as being.... yeah he's got talent but at the moment he's shite, I've told him it's shite.... and I'm not having it. Sort it or get gone. 

 

Exactly, he’s giving him a chance to sort it :huh: 

Not what you were saying before though 

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5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure what Carlos on about.... he's Jordan pickford - England's best keeper.... doesn't make mistakes any more than other keepers. 

I'd probably be looking at rightmove if i was pickford.  No way is Ancellotti not going to sign a keeper. 

“I and everyone else at the club has total confidence in his quality. It is true he can do better and he knows this because he is critical of himself. I hope there is improvement in the next games.”

Are you suggesting your view of Pickford is wrong or Ancellotti's?

I would also hope we will be looking at a keeper this summer, but they will be a back up keeper, not starting.

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10 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I took his interview as being.... 

He could have said “Jordan is my keeper and I won’t be buying a new one” and you’d still hear whatever you wanted to hear. Got to have your enemy in the squad. 

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9 hours ago, Bailey said:

“I and everyone else at the club has total confidence in his quality. It is true he can do better and he knows this because he is critical of himself. I hope there is improvement in the next games.”

Are you suggesting your view of Pickford is wrong or Ancellotti's?

I would also hope we will be looking at a keeper this summer, but they will be a back up keeper, not starting.

I'm suggesting that Ancellotti has a view of pickford which will be known by his actions very soon.   Not good enough. 

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7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

I don’t like the guy but I’ll admit the talk carlo gave him did him good.  He wasn’t an ass hole to his teammates and He was calmer than usual.  Bravo

I'll take any positives that I can regarding him.  He's 26 now, he shouldn't need managers to tell him how to behave.  He needs fires lit under his arse, at bare minimum we need a keeper who is first team ready to either replace or challenge him. 

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51 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

Is Ramsdale worth a punt?

Anyone is worth a shout over this clown.

Sorry but he is awful.  I think his value has gone down dramatically especially after his latest blooper.

No point in saying that we've got other priorities.... our last line of defence has concentration issues.  He is a problem.... he's in good company though..... there's about 5 other players at least who need to clear their lockers

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I’m a big fan of his, I think he’s a great keeper, and he made some very good saves today but then ruined it all with that third goal. It’s indefensible. 

Thing is Romey - a "very good save" is a stop that you would expect a keeper to make 3 or 4 times out of 10. I didn't see that today, he makes some saves look better than they were because of theatrics.  

I hate to use Southall as an example as he was the best in the world and probably one of the top 5 keepers in my lifetime.... but he made tough saves look routine.  He caught balls that others would palm etc.

Pickford flaps all over the show.  Look at him when a ball flies wide, he's like a kid on a bouncy castle.

Just not convinced at all. Up till the world cup and the Liverpool game he was doing fine..... he brought a shit load of attention on himself and it's destroyed him. 

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