markjazzbassist Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 We play tomorrow against an overachieving Arsenal side. I'm expecting a loss and would gladly accept a draw. Would like to see Jags, Joel, Barkley, back in the lineup. Joel Coleman Jags Mori Baines Gana Barry Gerry Barkley Mirallas Lukaku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 going to get annihilated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm going to be cold and we're going to get smashed. I plan to have quite a few pints before I get to Goodison. Matt, chicagoblue, nutmegwolf203 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 That's probably more of a plan than Koeman has! Romey 1878, Sibdane, nyblue23 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm not looking forward to this one at all, but then again, I wasn't looking forward to Watford either. I've never had less faith in Everton than I do now. It started with Martinez, but it seems to just be getting worse. I can't even think of a team that I've watched that looks more disinterested than the side we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 We play tomorrow against an overachieving Arsenal side. I'm expecting a loss and would gladly accept a draw. Would like to see Jags, Joel, Barkley, back in the lineup. Joel Coleman Jags Mori Baines Barry Gana Barkley Gerry Lukaku Mirallas Same as the Liverpool game for me; markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yes, we could lose badly to both Arsenal and Liverpool. Seems obvious to me that Koeman has to follow up on today's press conference blunt comments that, other than Lukaku, our attacking players aren't producing. That means Barkley, Deulofeu, and Mirallas. I thought both Deulofeu and Mirallas would play well this season. Generally they have not, though Deulofeu showed well at times at Watford. I am a Barkley skeptic, but I think he must be given a start today. Same for Valencia; he deserves a start, to see if he can interject some badly, badly needed energy in the final third. I am also skeptical that Barry should start 2 matches in such quick succession, so I'd prefer McCarthy (or Davies, or even Gibson....) to partner Gana. I'd like, but do not expect, to see: Stekelenburg/Robles (no clue, both are adequate at best) Coleman......Jagielka.......Funes Mori........Baines .............McCarthy.................Gana..................... Lukaku...................Barkley........................Oviedo .............................Valencia.................................. I'd prefer to see Lukaku driving forward with the ball at his feet more, cutting inside to shoot. Oviedo is better used at LW than LB, and giving him the start at LW would put Mirallas on further notice. (I hope Mirallas comes good, and soon. He's a willing shooter, unlike Barkley. Hard for me to explain or accept how little Mirallas has produced. I want him to do well, and if in my suggested lineup Oviedo is a non-factor in the first half, bring on Mirallas at 45 minutes, no waiting.) I'm desperate to see Koeman shake things up. I suppose the danger is that doing so on short turnaround risks an embarrassing smashing. But hoping business as usual will allow us to lose "only" 1-3 would hardly inspire. I'd even prefer 3-4-3 to same old, same old. Stek/Rolbes Holgate.......Jagielka..........Funes Mori Coleman...McCarthy...Gana...Baines Lukaku.........Barkley.........Valencia I worry about a sullen crowd tomorrow eve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 It would be interesting to see a 3-4-3 set up. The problem at Chelsea was he picked the wrong personnel at the back. He would have to go with Holgate again as RCB and Funes Mori at LCB because Jags and Williams do not have the pace to deal with a simple ball over the top. Against Spurs we played 3-4-3 and we were brilliant at absorbing pressure and denying them any goal scoring opportunity. The pace of Mirallas and Deulofeu on the break was terrifying for them and they didn't really look like scoring until we started to tire. Honestly I think we have a real problem with Williams and Jagielka at the back. They aren't on the same wavelength at all and neither are blessed with bags of pace. It's causing us to fall deeper into our own penalty box and create huge gaps all over the pitch. So Holgate starts for me it's a must now as he is the fastest defender we have. Barkley is a must start now as well. He has been dropped for the last 2 games and it has shown how utterly inept everyone else is. Stekelenberg has been garbage so Robles must come in and Valencia has earned a start through his dynamism. I've said it's premature to call for the manager's head this early but if he doesn't ring the changes and bring in these players then I will absolutely start calling him out. I have no faith that the manager will actually do anything different and we will see the same pathetic 11 that has been losing and drawing for the past 10 games. lukaku keeps scoring otherwise I'd be ok with your lineup, he shouldn't be benched. Valencia is dynamic but can't find the net and sadly dynamics don't win a game goals do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Lukaku keeps scoring otherwise I'd be ok with your lineup, he shouldn't be benched. I didn't understand TP1878 to mean Valencia to start instead of Lukaku, but with. Both starting is what I hope to see. I'm interested in what lots of others think about Valencia starting with Lukaku, whatever the exact positioning. Opinions about both whether Koeman should do this, and will do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Stek Coleman Jags Williams Baines Gana McCarthy Deulofeu Valencia Barkley Lukaku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Stekkers. Holgate. Jags. Mori. Coleman. Oviedo. Delli. Gana. Barkley. Lukaku. Valencia. That's what I would like to see, but what ever he chooses he must be prepared to make substitutions as early as 30 minutes if players aren't doing as told, that might give them the kick up the arse they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Robles Holgate Williams Mori Oviedo Deulofeu Gana McCarthy Barkley Lukaku Valencia Valencia switching from Cf to the left wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Can't see us getting anything here the way we are playing. I'd play 3-5-2 though. Holgate,Williams,Mori at the back wing backs of Baines and Coleman. Gana,Barry and Barkley with rom and Valencia up top nyblue23 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is everyone forgetting how inept Barkley is at playing out wide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Can't see us getting anything here the way we are playing. I'd play 3-5-2 though. Holgate,Williams,Mori at the back wing backs of Baines and Coleman. Gana,Barry and Barkley with rom and Valencia up top I could jive with that lineup. no mirallas or Gerry to disappoint, and hope barkley is back to his old self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm going to be cold and we're going to get smashed. I plan to have quite a few pints before I get to Goodison. Getting smashed to watch us get smashed. Poetic, almost. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Terrified of this one. But because we are Everton we will win maybe 3-1, become confident of getting a result against Liverpool only to get proper punished and hurt 1000 times more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I have a feeling I can only describe as stupidity, but for some reason I think we will see some fight and edge for a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Calvert-Lewin is in the squad... if ever we needed a young striker to come on the scene in the way we saw with the likes of Rooney, Fowler etc then now is the time. To be honest a few young lads may actually come in and show the rest of them what it is we are missing... a bit of desire. Sibdane, Matt and SimonButtle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 StekColeman Williams Mori Baines McCarthy Lennon Gana Mirallas Valencia Lukaku This would be my team for tonight.No Barry as he's too slow especially against Arsenal. Lennon would be in for his workrate and defensive capabilities. I think with Geri we would be too exposed. Need to play 2 up top to give arsenal at least something to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Calvert-Lewin is in the squad... if ever we needed a young striker to come on the scene in the way we saw with the likes of Rooney, Fowler etc then now is the time. To be honest a few young lads may actually come in and show the rest of them what it is we are missing... a bit of desire. I really hope he plays. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We'll score at least once, Arse can't keep a clean sheet; it's the other end I'm worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Calvert-Lewin is in the squad... if ever we needed a young striker to come on the scene in the way we saw with the likes of Rooney, Fowler etc then now is the time. To be honest a few young lads may actually come in and show the rest of them what it is we are missing... a bit of desire. If Koeman had a pair he'd play Calvert-Lewin, Holgate and Davies tonight and in the derby. Yeah we might still get stuffed, but if they play half decent it will get Goodison back behind the team. By sticking with the same piles of shite, he's just inviting the crowd to get on their backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Newty82 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Not much surprise in the list up but glad to see Valencia get a go. I think he'll run a few rings and create space for Barkley and, more importantly, Lukaku. Hopefully Barkley is feeling really pissed off at missing a couple of games and will come back in firing. Glad to see a couple of young lads on the bench. You never know with this lot what to expect. I'm hoping that Watford becomes the real low point and us having 2 tough games coming up really wakes this lot up. The team need a good result. The fans need a brilliant performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Confidence is low and the last thing the team needs is a hard time from the crowd. I can't get to the game but let's get behind the team lads. Cheer every tackle, applaud every player and let them know we are in this together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Chop & change once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Xhaka will get a red for chopping down Gana. That's my prediction for the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Agree with 4-4-2 but I think Gana and McCarthy will play central, Ross on the left and Lennon on the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 Glad Barry not even on bench. Still valuable, but too soon after weekend. I expect him to start in the derby, unless McCarthy and Gana shine together today. Valencia starting is sensible, or desperate. Barkley now has a chance to reclaim his spot, as does Jagielka. Lennon needs to make a mark right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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