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9 hours ago, Bill said:

I'd choose Bernard over both of them.

Bernard for me doesn’t do enough. Full of lovely touches but very little penetration. I’d like to know how many shots he’s had in what is likely over 20 appearances. Lookman has the most potential but for some reason Silva doesn’t fancy him either it appears. It’s like he needs to produce an 8/10 performance to keep his place when the aforementioned produce 5 or 6 and keep their place. Lookman needs a run of games in the team then we can judge him the same as the other two, who can count themselves fortunate to play so much.

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6 hours ago, sydneyneil said:

Bernard for me doesn’t do enough. Full of lovely touches but very little penetration. I’d like to know how many shots he’s had in what is likely over 20 appearances. Lookman has the most potential but for some reason Silva doesn’t fancy him either it appears. It’s like he needs to produce an 8/10 performance to keep his place when the aforementioned produce 5 or 6 and keep their place. Lookman needs a run of games in the team then we can judge him the same as the other two, who can count themselves fortunate to play so much.

Silva is making the same judgements as Koeman when it comes to team selection , he’s in shit street and panicking selecting the most expensive or experienced players over the best, Lookman doesn’t fall into the categories he’s selecting from. 

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9 hours ago, sydneyneil said:

Bernard for me doesn’t do enough. Full of lovely touches but very little penetration. I’d like to know how many shots he’s had in what is likely over 20 appearances. Lookman has the most potential but for some reason Silva doesn’t fancy him either it appears. It’s like he needs to produce an 8/10 performance to keep his place when the aforementioned produce 5 or 6 and keep their place. Lookman needs a run of games in the team then we can judge him the same as the other two, who can count themselves fortunate to play so much.

The thing with Bernard is that he's still getting used to the league, so bringing him in to start one game and then benching him for 2 isn'tt going to help him at all. He should just be started for 5 games in a row, no matter how he plays, so that we can get him up to speed. He's been handled all wrong IMO.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

The thing with Bernard is that he's still getting used to the league, so bringing him in to start one game and then benching him for 2 isn'ttt going to help him at all. He should just be started for 5 games in a row, no matter how he plays, so that we can get him up to speed. He's been handled all wrong IMO.

Totally. The lad is top class but he needs a run of games. Look at mata and David Silva. They got played on the wing and were half the players they are. He needs to play we’re gilfi plays. Watch him go if he plays in the “hole” you will see a different player after 5-10 games 

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

The thing with Bernard is that he's still getting used to the league, so bringing him in to start one game and then benching him for 2 isn'ttt going to help him at all. He should just be started for 5 games in a row, no matter how he plays, so that we can get him up to speed. He's been handled all wrong IMO.

He definitely needs to be starting ahead of the other wide players. When he did have a run of games he was getting better and then he has been in and out again. 

1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

Totally. The lad is top class but he needs a run of games. Look at mata and David Silva. They got played on the wing and were half the players they are. He needs to play we’re gilfi plays. Watch him go if he plays in the “hole” you will see a different player after 5-10 games 

But this took time. They played wide until they were used to the league and Mata almost always plays wide because he is such a luxury through the middle.

The other thing about Bernard is he barely stays on his feet when another player touches him. Not because he is diving like a certain other player but because he is very lightweight. Even when he has come through the middle for us he loses the ball because he is on his arse from a gust of air. The lad needs time to get used to the league and play week in week out. Maybe next season he can start being more influential through the centre but he deserves more time before he is pushed into a much more demanding position.

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37 minutes ago, StevO said:

I don’t see anything in Lookmans game time this season to justify him starting, not that Walcott has done much better. 

For me we should have took the money in the summer. 

I think its always going to be hard to justify anyone starting week in week out when they havent been given a chance to do so. That in itself is a chicken and egg scenario. 

Walcott has had his chance and IMO hasnt taken it, whereas Lookman has started maybe 1 or 2 games in a row and in fairness to him he looked great in one of those starts. One good performance doesnt mean anything though. 

The one thing I would say is that we have too many wingers for the spots available and that is making things difficult with such a small amount of games. Only 2 can play and that means Silva has to juggle the team around to keep players happy and then we end up with this situation where one comes in one week, then out the next. 

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3 hours ago, StevO said:

I don’t see anything in Lookmans game time this season to justify him starting, not that Walcott has done much better. 

For me we should have took the money in the summer. 

Add to that, that last year albeit from little game Vlasic looked to have a lot more to him as well. Crazy that we owned down nearly £30m for the 5th (potentially 7th if you include Sig and Bolasie) choice. 

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10 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Totally. The lad is top class but he needs a run of games. Look at mata and David Silva. They got played on the wing and were half the players they are. He needs to play we’re gilfi plays. Watch him go if he plays in the “hole” you will see a different player after 5-10 games 

I just don’t see it. He’s far too lightweight to ever make it as a top player in this league. Silva and mata are both small too but they’re stronger. And also a different level of football player. Bernard falls over himself never mind when anyone comes near him. He’s been benched as often as he started and Fans have not really been banging the drum that he must start. And this team is really shit. That speaks volumes for me.

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And I like lookman. I think he’s a good passer, tries to make things happen and has a shot. If he started the next ten games I’d fancy him to get a couple of goals, I wouldn’t fancy Bernard to get a league goal this season...

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7 hours ago, Bailey said:

I think its always going to be hard to justify anyone starting week in week out when they havent been given a chance to do so. That in itself is a chicken and egg scenario. 

Walcott has had his chance and IMO hasnt taken it, whereas Lookman has started maybe 1 or 2 games in a row and in fairness to him he looked great in one of those starts. One good performance doesnt mean anything though. 

The one thing I would say is that we have too many wingers for the spots available and that is making things difficult with such a small amount of games. Only 2 can play and that means Silva has to juggle the team around to keep players happy and then we end up with this situation where one comes in one week, then out the next. 

I get the point, but all I’ve seen is a lad with a lot of pace and ability turn back when faced up to a defender. I’ve hardly seen him run past a man, I’ve seen him offer no width (it’s so easy to defend when the attacking side go narrow). I’d love to see him get some chalk on his boots and beat a man, he’s capable, but he wants to come inside and play in front of the defender every time. We need him getting around the back, he doesn’t want to do it. 

I get the point that he’s not had many starts, but I don’t recall a winger needing a run of games to be able to run past a man or to even get wide. I’m just starting to doubt his ability to become a top premier league player. He isn’t seeing weakness in opponents and taking advantage.

Now to be balanced none of our wingers are, but I see players like Barnes at Leicester doing it, Gray at Leicester doing it, what’s the lads name at Leeds? There are young players out there going at defenders at scaring them, Lookman isn’t one of them. 

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19 hours ago, StevO said:

I get the point, but all I’ve seen is a lad with a lot of pace and ability turn back when faced up to a defender. I’ve hardly seen him run past a man, I’ve seen him offer no width (it’s so easy to defend when the attacking side go narrow). I’d love to see him get some chalk on his boots and beat a man, he’s capable, but he wants to come inside and play in front of the defender every time. We need him getting around the back, he doesn’t want to do it. 

I get the point that he’s not had many starts, but I don’t recall a winger needing a run of games to be able to run past a man or to even get wide. I’m just starting to doubt his ability to become a top premier league player. He isn’t seeing weakness in opponents and taking advantage.

Now to be balanced none of our wingers are, but I see players like Barnes at Leicester doing it, Gray at Leicester doing it, what’s the lads name at Leeds? There are young players out there going at defenders at scaring them, Lookman isn’t one of them. 

You have to balance that off against the fact that none of our wingers are doing that. The one game Lookman did play really well in he did all you asked, but I agree he needs to do that consistently and not just in one game. 

The other two important things about Barnes and Gray in particular is that they permanently play on the counter attack whereas we will generally have more control of the ball and therefore there is less space for them to play. A little off piste but the one thing Martinez used to get right was that he knew how to work the ball so that it left the defender 1 v 1 with the winger. He made Calumn McManaman look like a world beater just he could isolate the full back and take him on. Its one of the same reason Pep keeps his wingers both so wide. By the time any of ours get decent ball they have normally been doubled up. 

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34 minutes ago, Bailey said:

You have to balance that off against the fact that none of our wingers are doing that. The one game Lookman did play really well in he did all you asked, but I agree he needs to do that consistently and not just in one game. 

The other two important things about Barnes and Gray in particular is that they permanently play on the counter attack whereas we will generally have more control of the ball and therefore there is less space for them to play. A little off piste but the one thing Martinez used to get right was that he knew how to work the ball so that it left the defender 1 v 1 with the winger. He made Calumn McManaman look like a world beater just he could isolate the full back and take him on. Its one of the same reason Pep keeps his wingers both so wide. By the time any of ours get decent ball they have normally been doubled up. 

I find it so frustrating because he has everything in his ability to do the typical winger stuff, getting wide, beating men, picking a cross out. I just want to see him do more of it, I just don’t think he will. 

I agree completely, there were spells he would do the same with Gerry. He had a run in the side where he seemed to be dropping a ball at the front post two or three times again, he had the time to place it where he wanted it because he had isolated the defender. Roberto was such a good counter attacking coach, it makes me wonder why he wanted Tika Taka so much when it clearly wasn’t his strength. 

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5 hours ago, StevO said:

I find it so frustrating because he has everything in his ability to do the typical winger stuff, getting wide, beating men, picking a cross out. I just want to see him do more of it, I just don’t think he will. 

I agree completely, there were spells he would do the same with Gerry. He had a run in the side where he seemed to be dropping a ball at the front post two or three times again, he had the time to place it where he wanted it because he had isolated the defender. Roberto was such a good counter attacking coach, it makes me wonder why he wanted Tika Taka so much when it clearly wasn’t his strength. 

I think we can only judge him properly when we get a proper striker in. 

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13 hours ago, barryj said:

I think we can only judge him properly when we get a proper striker in. 

He can do all these thing with or without a striker. 

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9 hours ago, barryj said:

And then do what with it? Cross into an empty box? 

You can't really believe that's why he doesn't do it. There has been a striker there plenty of times when he has the ball and he elects to turn back, slow the play down.

He's annoying to watch because he's just not positive enough on the ball. He picks the ball up in great positions and you just want him to run forward, he doesn't even need to stay wide to do that.

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On 13/02/2019 at 10:00, Romey 1878 said:

You can't really believe that's why he doesn't do it. There has been a striker there plenty of times when he has the ball and he elects to turn back, slow the play down.

He's annoying to watch because he's just not positive enough on the ball. He picks the ball up in great positions and you just want him to run forward, he doesn't even need to stay wide to do that.

That’s not what I saw in the games Ive seen him play for England and RB Leipzig. I think it’s lack of confidence that’s running through the team and when your playing badly everyone fans included are in a negative frame of mind. We go back to plying it safe which leads to lack of chances. 

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