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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38680392

 

Nigeria want to persuade 19-year-old Everton striker Ademola Lookman to play for them rather than England.

 

Lookman was born in England but can play for Nigeria through his parents.

 

He has already played for England Under-19s and U20s but can switch allegiances because he is yet to play for the senior side.

 

"He has Nigerian parents and we'd need to speak to him first," Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) official Bitrus Bewarang told BBC Sport.

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he can either play for England which will ruin him like it does all young players, or play for Nigeria and go to ACON all the time. lose lose

 

If he's good enough one day to be picked for either I'd call it a win win.

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not for me, England ruins all their young players by trying to make them their savior. if I have to pick I'd honestly probably say play for Nigeria, ACON but he wouldn't have all the pressure.

But we'd have an international standard player, by your reasoning you'd rather we still had Dan Gosling than Ross because he'd not be spoiled by England call ups.

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But we'd have an international standard player, by your reasoning you'd rather we still had Dan Gosling than Ross because he'd not be spoiled by England call ups.

 

by my rationale I'd rather ross found a distant relative and played for that country not England. been a disaster for him so far. the manager is gareth southgate for heaven's sake!

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I'll be made up if he's good enough to be called up to any national team one day. It says a lot already that Nigeria is looking to talk to him.

not really, they took Vic too remember.

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Wilshire, doing well at Bournemouth. Struggled at Arsenal due to injuries. Don't see an England problem.

Walcott, having a good season at Arsenal.

Ox, struggling for form this year.

Rooney, England's highest ever goal scorer. Uniteds joint highest. Past his best though.

Henderson, captain of a team second in the prem.

I can keep going, but not all of these were Englands saviours.

Stones is still just a kid. Ward Prowse is a very talented kid but never seen him touted as a great player, Rodriguez? Not seen any England hype either.

 

If a player is good enough he should go and play. If he can't handle the pressure he's not good enough.

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Wilshire, doing well at Bournemouth. Struggled at Arsenal due to injuries. Don't see an England problem.

Walcott, having a good season at Arsenal.

Ox, struggling for form this year.

Rooney, England's highest ever goal scorer. Uniteds joint highest. Past his best though.

Henderson, captain of a team second in the prem.

I can keep going, but not all of these were Englands saviours.

Stones is still just a kid. Ward Prowse is a very talented kid but never seen him touted as a great player, Rodriguez? Not seen any England hype either.

 

If a player is good enough he should go and play. If he can't handle the pressure he's not good enough.

 

you and I are on different wavelengths. wilshere a standout on a lower table side, Walcott shows up for arsenal but not england, Ox below average, Henderson yard dog, rooney well past it and never showed up in tourneys for England, stones not doing so well, ward prowse can't even get games for soton let alone england, rodriguez was highly touted after bagging all those goals and lost his form no more england. Sturridge one injury away from retirement after so many of them, Shaw can't get game time on a side that plays a CB/DCM in his position (blind) let alone time with the national team. welbeck plying his trade with the reserves.

 

like I said the only one that would be considered a real product is Lallana. I do rate kyle walker and danny rose but I've never heard of them touted as wonder kids like the above.

 

point is steve England isn't great, but add to that fact the press absolutely destroys these young kids before they can even become anything and it's just a bad situation. I'd rather have him play for a side nationally where that insane microscope with the press isn't on him. and if the press don't destroy them, the manager does. exhibit A ross barkley and roy hodgson.

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Who have the press destroyed Mark?

None of the players you have listed have been destroyed. That's my point. England doesn't ruin players and neither do the press. If a player doesn't have it in his make up to deal with pressure and expectation then that's on them.

 

Look at Rooney, look at Beckham. They were both touted at saviours, both did great but didn't have enough other players at their level to have any success with the England team. They were also massively in the spot light, given so much grief by the press, yet they both carried on doing a great job for club and country time and time again. Because they were tough enough to deal with it. If Barkley, or any other player coming through, can't handle it that's on them.

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Who have the press destroyed Mark?

None of the players you have listed have been destroyed. That's my point. England doesn't ruin players and neither do the press. If a player doesn't have it in his make up to deal with pressure and expectation then that's on them.

 

Look at Rooney, look at Beckham. They were both touted at saviours, both did great but didn't have enough other players at their level to have any success with the England team. They were also massively in the spot light, given so much grief by the press, yet they both carried on doing a great job for club and country time and time again. Because they were tough enough to deal with it. If Barkley, or any other player coming through, can't handle it that's on them.

 

jack wilshere, every club he hits or ciggy he smokes is all over the papers. rooney every prostitiute scandal, every "lady on the side" is reported, his porn posts on instagram, etc and all over the papers for weeks. happens all the time.

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Who have the press destroyed Mark?

None of the players you have listed have been destroyed. That's my point. England doesn't ruin players and neither do the press. If a player doesn't have it in his make up to deal with pressure and expectation then that's on them.

 

Look at Rooney, look at Beckham. They were both touted at saviours, both did great but didn't have enough other players at their level to have any success with the England team. They were also massively in the spot light, given so much grief by the press, yet they both carried on doing a great job for club and country time and time again. Because they were tough enough to deal with it. If Barkley, or any other player coming through, can't handle it that's on them.

Yes and no. It's on both sides, the media and the player - or to put it another way, cause and affect.

 

I'd also say that the Beckham and Rooney generation was arguably the best in my lifetime (Gerrard, Cole, Neville, Ferdinand, Lampard, Scholes, etc.) but that the team was let down by the FA by hiring shite managers.

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hows the other kid wonders doing? wilshere, Walcott, ox, rooney, Henderson, sterling, sturridge, Stones, ward prowse, rodriguez, shaw, etc. only one that actual is doing alright (consistently, give alli more time and we will see) is Lallana.

How's Freddy Adu?

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To be fair Rooney has been destroyed.

If it weren't for expectation he would have probably ended up being England's all time leading scorer, Utd's too!

Probably would have won a few trophys too.

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To be fair Rooney has been destroyed.

If it weren't for expectation he would have probably ended up being England's all time leading scorer, Utd's too!

Probably would have won a few trophys too.

 

which trophies were with England (the very team we are talking about here)? oh yeah, none.

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?? this isn't an America versus England argument newts, it's whether playing for the English national team as a youngster is a good idea.

But it seems ironic that, as an American, you question whether youngsters should play for England at a young age because of 'blah blah blah' and yet you guys did the same to Adu!!! Of course it's a good idea to play for England! You've created such a novice, stupid argument here and backed yourself into a corner by naming a number of players who have had or are having really good careers.

 

It's a dream to play for your country. Yes, there is pressure. Yes, we get a bit excited by a prospect. Yes, the media is a pain in the arse. Yes, we dream. Yes, we arent that good. But it's still playing for your country!

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which trophies were with England (the very team we are talking about here)? oh yeah, none.

Sorry I thought you were saying the press had destroyed young players.

My mistake.

 

Just so you know though, England haven't won a trophy since 66, because we aren't good enough.

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But it seems ironic that, as an American, you question whether youngsters should play for England at a young age because of 'blah blah blah' and yet you guys did the same to Adu!!! Of course it's a good idea to play for England! You've created such a novice, stupid argument here and backed yourself into a corner by naming a number of players who have had or are having really good careers.

 

It's a dream to play for your country. Yes, there is pressure. Yes, we get a bit excited by a prospect. Yes, the media is a pain in the arse. Yes, we dream. Yes, we arent that good. But it's still playing for your country!

 

newts you've gone of the rails. England is starved for success, and the culture around the national team can be very toxic. That's what I'm saying. Look back in the Barkley thread to when he got outed by Hodgson and you'll see many many people (English too btw) say the same thing.

 

As far as US youngsters Freddy Adu was like 11 years ago and yes they completely ruined him. no question. but we aren't a soccer mad country (5th, 6th? most popular sport) and don't really have talented youngsters to be honest. Pulisic at Dortmund is the exception but other than that there's really no one to "messiah" sadly.

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newts you've gone of the rails. England is starved for success, and the culture around the national team can be very toxic. That's what I'm saying. Look back in the Barkley thread to when he got outed by Hodgson and you'll see many many people (English too btw) say the same thing.

 

 

I read the Barkley stuff at the time. Didn't agree with it. Blown out of proportion for me. He's shown the same tendencies playing for us, as Koeman has said.

 

England over Nigeria though.

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some really great stuff in there

 

"Footballers only take a day or two to work out whether a new signing is any good or not, they know almost straight away, and they saw a player working at their own intensity"

 

and then this about davies

 

“He is a young player who took his chance in the first team, he is entitled to be happy about that, but if he starts to think he is the big man at Everton we will do something to help him keep his two feet on the ground. Just this week we have been showing him clips of some of the things he could have done better against City, just so he knows it wasn’t quite a perfect performance, but he is a good boy and a really hard working player. We are not expecting him to lose focus or start to get sloppy.”

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jack wilshere, every club he hits or ciggy he smokes is all over the papers. rooney every prostitiute scandal, every "lady on the side" is reported, his porn posts on instagram, etc and all over the papers for weeks. happens all the time.

But this is my point. They have just got on with it. It's not ruined their careers at all. They are tough enough to just ignore it and carry on.

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Yes and no. It's on both sides, the media and the player - or to put it another way, cause and affect.

 

I'd also say that the Beckham and Rooney generation was arguably the best in my lifetime (Gerrard, Cole, Neville, Ferdinand, Lampard, Scholes, etc.) but that the team was let down by the FA by hiring shite managers.

Completely, too much quality to not at least make a final.

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Of that last of players the best one didn't get in the team until his big move. Lallana, come through the lower league helping Soton get promoted twice and proving he can do it in the league. He gained experience and matured, the others got too much too fast and haven't reached their potential.

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Completely unphased by the premier league he came in today and was pressing hard and linked up well. Great first touch and picked some good passes. Very impressed so far.

 

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"when Everton came in for him he did not want to go anywhere else"

 

This is the benefit of having a top manager like Koeman and a policy of giving games to quality young players like Barkley, Holgate, Davies and previously John Stones.

 

Young players know they have a good chance of playing regular football if they knuckle down and that they will be around other good young players. As much as Barkley has been hammered lately, he still has a massive reputation in the game. Young players are already looking up to him and want to play in the same team as him.

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