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13 hours ago, nogs said:

We only have four wingers now though, he will get game time, especially if Bolasie's form doesn't improve

That's four players competing for 1 spot though, no one is going to displace Gyfi on that left side

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3 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Good move for him... hopefully he’ll come back refreshed and raring to go under a new Everton manager with a bit of vision.

I’d prefer him to stay but what’s the point if he’s not going to play?

He can be an absolute star, this lad. My concern is Allardyce will drive him out of the club and he becomes a star somewhere else.

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6 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Good move for him... hopefully he’ll come back refreshed and raring to go under a new Everton manager with a bit of vision.

I’d prefer him to stay but what’s the point if he’s not going to play?

I would like to see him get more minutes here but if he isnt going to then he might as well get game time elsewhere.

Leipzig are a good club who play decent football (as far as I know anyway - havent watched them for a while) but I wouldnt think he is a shoe in to start for them so he better be playing.

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12 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I would like to see him get more minutes here but if he isnt going to then he might as well get game time elsewhere.

Leipzig are a good club who play decent football (as far as I know anyway - havent watched them for a while) but I wouldnt think he is a shoe in to start for them so he better be playing.

this exactly, he won't start for them.  makes no sense for him to warm a bench in germany.

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44 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Gone to Leipzig on loan:huh:.

If he gets into that team, then we'll damn well know he's good enough to be our starting winger across from Walcott next year.  I'm assuming he's captied for the Europa League and can't play against Napoli for them?

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If he plays, and plays well, there, it's an absolute repudiation of what Sam said.  They're a club with a real knack for identifying and nurturing young talent, so they wouldn't be loaning him with just a view to bench warming.  I think they either believe he's good enough to fill a need and play (even off the bench), or they're getting a leap on the competition and trying to turn his head long term.

Can we get rid of Sam yet?

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6 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Don't know what all the fuss is about. This is a smart move for Lookman, it's clear he isn'ttt going to get regular game time and he could do with the experience.

Leipzig are a good side, they play good football and living in Germany will mature him much faster. I'd like to see more of our young players make these kind of loan moves.

If Everton are going to get the best out of Lookman then he needs to kick on. It does young players no good being in a struggling side that is short of confidence.

No issue with it from Lookman's standpoint, I agree it's a good move for him.

Just think it's ridiculous that Sam thinks he's not good enough or not ready but a top 5 Bundesliga side do.

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13 minutes ago, DownUnderToff said:

No issue with it from Lookman's standpoint, I agree it's a good move for him.

Just think it's ridiculous that Sam thinks he's not good enough or not ready but a top 5 Bundesliga side do.

You forget, Sam is a twat.

Glad Lookman is getting out and playing football, hopefully come back next season with more experience and ready to fight for a place at Everton under a manager who knows what he is doing!!

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Allardyce on Ademola Lookman's loan to RB Leipzig: "He was adamant he was choosing Germany. Going on your own at such a young age and not being able to speak the language is a massive challenge for his development. We tried to persuade him not to."

I'd have thought the club could just say "no" if they didn't think it was beneficial. All very odd.

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Sounds to me like Sam just doesn’t rate German football. This is a smart move for Lookman and Everton, honestly. If he isn’t going to play here, he will actually get an experience that helps him develop there. Fat Sam will be gone in the summer. We get back a better, more mature Lookman with a chip on his shoulder.

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4 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Don't know what all the fuss is about. This is a smart move for Lookman, it's clear he isn'ttt going to get regular game time and he could do with the experience.

Leipzig are a good side, they play good football and living in Germany will mature him much faster. I'd like to see more of our young players make these kind of loan moves.

If Everton are going to get the best out of Lookman then he needs to kick on. It does young players no good being in a struggling side that is short of confidence.

 

Couldn’t agree more. Hoping he gets a decent run of games. More so, getting thrown in the deep end in another culture, witnout your ‘mates’ around you, is the best thing a young person can do to learn about themselves and to mature quickly.

Well done Lookman.

No doubt he will learn more about playing football than under Allardyce .

Just hoping he is keen to run out for Everton next season.

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5 hours ago, Loose said:

Allardyce on Ademola Lookman's loan to RB Leipzig: "He was adamant he was choosing Germany. Going on your own at such a young age and not being able to speak the language is a massive challenge for his development. We tried to persuade him not to."

I'd have thought the club could just say "no" if they didn't think it was beneficial. All very odd.

The article states the club had other loan moves lined up for him, but I'm sure they would have been League 1 or League 2 clubs, and what World Cup winner would want that? I'm happy the lad is going where he chooses and not accepting our current manager's advice. I'm sure he'll do well, and I only hope we don't lose him over the summer.

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Sam is a great big massive penis!

Wjy not accept it and give he lad credit for taking the more difficult route, rather than publicly slate the lad for it. 

Man management at its worst! The man is just another ego.

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It's very funny on this forum at the moment. Do any of you lot ever go back a page or 2 to read the comments?

Typical jumped up footy fans.

Before that interview where Sam reveals it is Lookmans choice, Sam was the big bad guy sending him out on loan, crooked, cunt etc etc. Blah blah blah that you can read repeatedly on every bastard thread for the last month or 2.

Now that Lookman chose the move...yeah, good lad. Don't listen to him. Should have just let him go. Blah blah blah.

Can't be arsed with it me.

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2 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


It’s also clear he had other options and it was his decision to go and sit on the bench in Germany instead of getting playing time in the UK

 

Maybe he just believes in himself in that he can get game time there? Rather than accepting he's only good enough to play for a league one team or whoever we had lined up? I find it odd that we supposedly had other options lined up for him when our manager said he wouldn't be going out on loan like.

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Maybe he just believes in himself in that he can get game time there? Rather than accepting he's only good enough to play for a league one team or whoever we had lined up? I find it odd that we supposedly had other options lined up for him when our manager said he wouldn't be going out on loan like.


Maybe so but it’s a bit of a gamble on his part and if he ends up sitting on their bench it’s a complete waste of time

We don’t know what the other loan options were but I seriously doubt any would have been in league one as that would be equally pointless

Ideally he should have gone to another Premiership club but we don’t want to be actively assisting any other teams in the relegation scrap with us so a decent Championship side would probably have been the best fit


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5 hours ago, Newty82 said:

It's very funny on this forum at the moment. Do any of you lot ever go back a page or 2 to read the comments?

Typical jumped up footy fans.

Before that interview where Sam reveals it is Lookmans choice, Sam was the big bad guy sending him out on loan, crooked, cunt etc etc. Blah blah blah that you can read repeatedly on every bastard thread for the last month or 2.

Now that Lookman chose the move...yeah, good lad. Don't listen to him. Should have just let him go. Blah blah blah.

Can't be arsed with it me.

Don’t get upset mate... it’s not worth it...never see me getting eaten up about posts!

I know what you mean though, we are a bunch of fickle twats haha.

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Sam was sending him out on loan, though, Lookman seems to have annoyed him by opting to go and try his luck in a decent league rather than drop down.

The entire point of him going out on loan was to get the game time he needs to develop, not sure he will get that in Germany


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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Don’t get upset mate... it’s not worth it...never see me getting eaten up about posts!

I know what you mean though, we are a bunch of fickle twats haha.

Nah, not upset mate.

Forum just becomes a bit unusable at these times. For me anyway!!!

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29 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Turns out the other option was Derby County, I think he would have been better off going there myself

 

I agree. They aint a bad team.

Probably what the club was trying to tell him.

 

Up to him though, really hope he gets some game time. Can be quite an exciting player.

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I’d rather loan players go to a club with a good manager and other good players around, honestly. Game time is important, of course, but I’d rather them get a more well-rounded education in the game. 

We should have sent him to Man City then , he wouldn’t have got to kick a ball all season but the manager and players are boss

Just hope him going to RBL doesn’t turn into another Galloway to Sunderland/ West Bromwich experience




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2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


The entire point of him going out on loan was to get the game time he needs to develop, not sure he will get that in Germany

 

I thought Allardyce was supposed to be some sort of tough guy disciplinarian? Yet little Ademola gets his way? More to this than meets the eye.

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55 minutes ago, aaron said:

You're all missing the bigger picture...Operation "Break Keita's legs before his transfer" is now in motion.....

Perhaps they should've sent Mo Besic for that one. 

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I thought Allardyce was supposed to be some sort of tough guy disciplinarian? Yet little Ademola gets his way? More to this than meets the eye.

Not really . Allardyce says he isn’t ready to be in the first team, not an assessment I agree with by the way, and Lookman wants more game time

Loan is the obvious solution


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3 hours ago, Loose said:

Sam was sending him out on loan, though, Lookman seems to have annoyed him by opting to go and try his luck in a decent league rather than drop down.

Quite frankly, if I was a creative, young, attacking player with masses of potential, I’d take any criticism of a move from this manager as a positive reinforcement that I’d made the right choice. At the very least, he’s away from the harm the manager could do to him

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Quite frankly, if I was a creative, young, attacking player with masses of potential, I’d take any criticism of a move from this manager as a positive reinforcement that I’d made the right choice. At the very least, he’s away from the harm the manager could do to him

I would have thought not playing any competitive football for the rest of the season would do him more harm but hey ho


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12 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


I would have thought not playing any competitive football for the rest of the season would do him more harm but hey ho

Ordinarily I'd completely agree. But getting him away from Allardyce is more beneficial in my opinion.

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15 hours ago, Bailey said:

I think going abroad is a great move. He will learn so much more tactically rather than just staying in England. It' great to see an English player taking that risk and it shows the character of the lad.

Exactly!

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1 hour ago, nyblue23 said:

Wasn't gonna play here under Sam, either.

Hence why the club had options available for him.... The point is he's gone to a club that he will get minimal if much at all playing time 

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1 hour ago, EFC-Paul said:

Hence why the club had options available for him.... The point is he's gone to a club that he will get minimal if much at all playing time 

...but where he will receive a good footballing education and train with top class players. 

I believe it was SAF who always told his players he’d rather have them go somewhere where they will benefit from top tacticians and players rather than somewhere they get playing time. Ideally, you’d like to see both. But, I really think it could be massive for Lookman’s development to be fighting for something at Leipzig rather than getting minutes in the Championship/League 1 and pulling off the same old tricks day after day. 

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1 hour ago, JoeQuince said:

...but where he will receive a good footballing education and train with top class players. 

I believe it was SAF who always told his players he’d rather have them go somewhere where they will benefit from top tacticians and players rather than somewhere they get playing time. Ideally, you’d like to see both. But, I really think it could be massive for Lookman’s development to be fighting for something at Leipzig rather than getting minutes in the Championship/League 1 and pulling off the same old tricks day after day. 

I agree that being around very good coaches makes a massive difference, but that has to be balanced out by playing games against competitive opponents where you put learning into practice. That's where you develop your skills, build your confidence and really learn the game. These games have to be against a good level of opponent and either a top championship or prem team are ideal teams to play in. 

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12 minutes ago, London Blue said:

I agree that being around very good coaches makes a massive difference, but that has to be balanced out by playing games against competitive opponents where you put learning into practice. That's where you develop your skills, build your confidence and really learn the game. These games have to be against a good level of opponent and either a top championship or prem team are ideal teams to play in. 

Yeah. Ideally, I’d have placed him somewhere like Bournemouth. Not to knock the championship, but I wouldn’t want him playing at a club that isn’t in the Prem, if he has a chance to go to a good club in another top league. I just think the trade off of less games with more education (remember, Lookman is still a very raw talent, and he has played a fair bit of games in the lower leagues) is better than sending him down. So, I think we’re on the same page in that we would want both a good education AND playing time, but we just weigh the possible options slightly differently. 

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5 minutes ago, JoeQuince said:

Yeah. Ideally, I’d have placed him somewhere like Bournemouth. Not to knock the championship, but I wouldn’t want him playing at a club that isn’t in the Prem, if he has a chance to go to a good club in another top league. I just think the trade off of less games with more education (remember, Lookman is still a very raw talent, and he has played a fair bit of games in the lower leagues) is better than sending him down. So, I think we’re on the same page in that we would want both a good education AND playing time, but we just weigh the possible options slightly differently. 

Bournemouth are a good shout, and would be ideal, they play very good football under a progressive coach. That being said I wouldn't mind our players going to clubs like Derby, Wolves and Bristol City where they also play good football, and can develop without the premier league glare. I would not want them to go to clubs that are going to struggle in the Championship, the quality of football they would be playing would hurt their development.

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2 hours ago, JoeQuince said:

...but where he will receive a good footballing education and train with top class players. 

I believe it was SAF who always told his players he’d rather have them go somewhere where they will benefit from top tacticians and players rather than somewhere they get playing time. Ideally, you’d like to see both. But, I really think it could be massive for Lookman’s development to be fighting for something at Leipzig rather than getting minutes in the Championship/League 1 and pulling off the same old tricks day after day. 

I've never heard any top manager over here make such claims certainly not Ferguson who had a sketchy record with youth players anyway http://m.goal.com/s/en-my/news/3995/premier-league/2012/09/06/3357743/sir-alex-ferguson-unsure-of-foreign-loans-for-manchester

Any player will benefit from being around good players etc to an extent but to think they will be better off than actually competitively playing is mental, the likes of the Championship are great league's for players 

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I don't think it was a great idea. We suddenly become short in midfielders. With Lennon, Mirallas, Besic, Barkley, Sandro left and McCarthy injured. Let's do the math:

Central midfielders: Gana, Morgan, Davies, Klaassen?

Attacking midfielders - Siggy, Rooney

Wide midfielders - Bolasie, Walcott, Vlasic

Am I missing someone? 

Yes, I know Siggy and DLC can play wide, but since I'm playing Football manager I always complete my 25 man squad with 2 players in each position, + 1 extra GK, 1 extra Striker and 1 extra versatile midfielder/winger. I would never loan out Lookman under current circumstances. Probably Sam is considering someone from U23 squad of better use than him. 

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