MikeO Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Sorry Steve but you talk absolute shite at times. Yes I would want Beckham at 31 That's so British, apologies before insult . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 That's so British, apologies before insult . I'm trying my hardest not to be too offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 I'm trying my hardest not to be too offensive. Best make him a cup of tea then. With a cream scone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Ha! What the hell is that! 42 year old, retired 4 years ago, David Beckham? That's such a bad attempt at making a point!!! Except that Beckham last played for the national team 8 years ago at 34. Not a massive stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Best make him a cup of tea then. With a cream scone. "Scon" or "scown" though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 "Scon" or "scown" though? Scone maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegwolf203 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Shouldn't be on high wages, that's my only real criticism on the potential move. If he really wanted to return home money shouldn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Scone maybe? Smart arse ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Shouldn't be on high wages, that's my only real criticism on the potential move. If he really wanted to return home money shouldn't matter. I guess effectively he would be halving his wage if the tabloids are true. Which is a large amount of money, especially seeing as going to China would double it! I think 150k on a 2 year contract is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 "Scon" or "scown" though? Ha! Scown....dedtinately a Scown!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Smart arse ? The split digraph makes the O sound. Every day's a school day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Yes, he hasn't looked after his body in any way. He's much older than his 31 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) Sorry Steve but you talk absolute shite at times. Yes I would want Beckham at 31 Only at times? I'll have to do better. Seriously, let's look at this objectively. Players, like most assets, fit on a Bell curve. Young players are rising, improving, increasing in value. They have potential. For sure, not all make it (that's true of anything in life), but that's the best place to be. Buy young players, rising players, those yet to hit their peak, because that's where real value is. On the other hand, players hit their peak and then drop off. Some demonstrate a long tail, providing years of steady albeit declining value. Gareth Barry, Phil Jagielka, Leighton Baines: they all fall into this category. In some cases, the value in the long tail is overlooked - but that assumes there is a long tail. The risk in this case is that players will drop off more quickly. There's no question that Wayne Rooney is way past his peak. The fact that he was a brilliant player in the past is irrelevant. The fact that he rose through the Everton ranks is irrelevant. He's declining. So the question is: how quickly is he declining? From the evidence, I would say that, unfortunately, he's declining rapidly. He's no longer called up for England, despite his records and vast experience. He's no longer a starter at United, grabbing maybe two minutes in their cup final. We can speculate about why, but it's pretty much a fact. If we want to benefit from Rooney's experience, hire him as a coach in a few years' time. The very idea of swapping Barkley for Rooney is scary. One player, full of potential, has yet to reach his peak; the other, years past his peak, is declining quickly. Why would we do that - other than for shirt sales, maybe a temporary spike in ticket sales, and grabbing a few headlines? Economically, it makes zero sense. Strategically, it makes zero sense. I've nothing against Wayne Rooney, who's up there in terms of the best players produced in England, but don't we have to be objective and dispassionate when making major decisions like this? Edited May 27, 2017 by Cornish Steve Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Scone maybe? I don't care which, but with clotted cream please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 The fact he isn't as mobile as he used to be is exactly why he can't play in midfield. We have Morgan, Gana and Davies, the biggest strength there being that they are so mobile. Rooney can play left of a front three or in the centre on occasion, maybe 10. But he needs to be at the end of the pitch where he can do the most damage. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I honestly don't think he'd be that bad for us in the number 9 position. Please don't hurt me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I just don't see it. He's not a good enough midfielder to play the pressing game that Koeman wants, and he's not a good enough striker anymore to lead the line. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I keep hearing that he's not a good enough striker anymore. I'm not convince. He's had three lads ahead of him in the pecking order, so it's a while since he's done it. The skills he has in the box aren't reliant on lightening quick pace, so I don't see where he's lost so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 I keep hearing that he's not a good enough striker anymore. I'm not convince. He's had three lads ahead of him in the pecking order, so it's a while since he's done it. The skills he has in the box aren't reliant on lightening quick pace, so I don't see where he's lost so much.But there's a reason he has three lads ahead of him in the pecking order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 27, 2017 Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Linked with Stoke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2017 Linked with Stoke? He'd fit right in with bony and berahino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Linked with Stoke? Not sure why the media are linking him with other PL clubs when he has repeatedly said he'll only play for United or us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 I would play Zlatan, Rashford or Martial before him too, all three are fantastic players, but I'd still have him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Not sure why the media are linking him with other PL clubs when he has repeatedly said he'll only play for United or us. This. It's almost as if the journos don't read the papers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Whilst im not in any great hurry for Rooney to come back, i must say i am slightly concerned by this: http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/05/28/koeman-keen-moshiris-advisers-unsure-everton-reportedly-split-on/ It suggests that the board are involved in the managers transfers dealings, i thought that is what we brought Walsh in for? why do Moshiri's 'advisors' need to be involved, do they not trust RK or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 My heart says yes but my head says no. So, that's a no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Simon, don't believe everything you read in the press, but also don't expect him to give Walsh autonomy to spend every penny however he wants. There will always be discussion and accountability. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 Simon, don't believe everything you read in the press, but also don't expect him to give Walsh autonomy to spend every penny however he wants. There will always be discussion and accountability. true enough, im just slightly concerned at who these 'advisors' are given that Moshiri is an accountant himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 As he's an accountant he probably has people advising on all kinds of things in the business, things he doesn't know as well himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted May 28, 2017 Report Share Posted May 28, 2017 As he's an accountant he probably has people advising on all kinds of things in the business, things he doesn't know as well himself. I guess im just a bit worried that they will turn out to be some sort of secret transfer committee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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