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Well, you know where you stand with her; she's consistently inconsistent on what she says. Or should it be, she's consistent at doing 180 degree turns on what she says.

 

 

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Well, you know where you stand with her; she's consistently inconsistent on what she says. Or should it be, she's consistent at doing 180 degree turns on what she says.

 

 

:dry:

 

Vote for me and you'll get exactly the opposite of everything I say :rofl:.

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Vote for me and you'll get exactly the opposite of everything I say :rofl:.

I've just been looking back at some of her u-turns/contradictions.

 

1- Gordon Brown has no democratic mandate after Tony Blair resigns. Takes over from Cameron...

2- Remain voter, Leave bulldozer

3- No early GE... Launches a GE

4- National insurance

5- Hinkley Point

 

That's after 5 minutes of google....

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'When the facts change I change my mind.'

 

John Maynard Keynes

Shouldn't make such brazen statements to start with then ;)

 

Let's not pretend that she's doing this for anything other than her own gain thoguh

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Let's not pretend that she's doing this for anything other than her own gain thoguh

 

Which politician doesn't?

 

Which politician hasn't changed their mind?

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Which politician doesn't?

 

Which politician hasn't changed their mind?

Very true, but the amount of time she's about-faced in the last 12 months is staggering

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She's playing it smart, she knows there is nobody out there who can put up any sort of challenge, Corbin most definitely won't.

She wants everybody singing from the same hymn sheet so there is a smoother exit from brexit. I can see where she's coming from.

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She's playing it smart, she knows there is nobody out there who can put up any sort of challenge, Corbin most definitely won't.

She wants everybody singing from the same hymn sheet so there is a smoother exit from brexit. I can see where she's coming from.

I agree on the smooth exit pov. A much bigger majority and she'll no longer be hostage of the far right wing of her party who demand hard brexit asap. She'll have freedom to compromise with other member states now and will only have to justify herself in 2022.

 

No opposition party is a definite bonus.

 

Does seem opportunistic though. the whole point of the Fixed-Term parliament act was to prevent PMs from calling a general election based on polls. Theresa May did just that.

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There you go folks, if you want to remain in EU, vote for the Lib Dems and get another referendum.

If I could, I would. But, like Bill said, May has been very clever in her timing and planning - there's no chance the outcome is anything but a Conservative win

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She still requires the support of 2/3rds of MP's to hold the election.

Do you think she's doing this without having a very good idea that it'll go ahead?

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I've just been looking back at some of her u-turns/contradictions.

 

1- Gordon Brown has no democratic mandate after Tony Blair resigns. Takes over from Cameron...

2- Remain voter, Leave bulldozer

3- No early GE... Launches a GE

4- National insurance

5- Hinkley Point

 

That's after 5 minutes of google....

Almost everything in her first speech as well.

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i don't get it. i thought your system she's prime minister already and continues to hold that position until the coalition in parliment dissolves, then new partnerships are created and a vote is taken then. has parliment dissolved? why hold an election when she's already PM?

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i don't get it. i thought your system she's prime minister already and continues to hold that position until the coalition in parliment dissolves, then new partnerships are created and a vote is taken then. has parliment dissolved? why hold an election when she's already PM?

because she wasn't voted in, she inherited the leadership once Cameron chickened out of his responsibilities

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i don't get it. i thought your system she's prime minister already and continues to hold that position until the coalition in parliment dissolves, then new partnerships are created and a vote is taken then. has parliment dissolved? why hold an election when she's already PM?

Mark, the real reason is that,currently, she (the Conservatives) have a very small majority in the House of Commons. With Labour in such disarray, she is now confident that the Conservatives will win with a large majority. This will kill two birds with one stone. First, she will be voted in as PM. Second, she will have a large majority and therefore an ability to introduce policies without fear of being outvoted.

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Mark, the real reason is that,currently, she (the Conservatives) have a very small majority in the House of Commons. With Labour in such disarray, she is now confident that the Conservatives will win with a large majority. This will kill two birds with one stone. First, she will be voted in as PM. Second, she will have a large majority and therefore an ability to introduce policies without fear of being outvoted.

 

Was about to post similar, she's doing it to strengthen her position and (sadly) it definitely will.

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Neither was Cameron, we vote for a party and not a person.

people should vote for a party, but that's not always the case. I won't go further because I'll mix up topics...

 

Anyway, John summed it up.

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Mark, the real reason is that,currently, she (the Conservatives) have a very small majority in the House of Commons. With Labour in such disarray, she is now confident that the Conservatives will win with a large majority. This will kill two birds with one stone. First, she will be voted in as PM. Second, she will have a large majority and therefore an ability to introduce policies without fear of being outvoted.

 

Perfect -- Thanks John!

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Tactically it is right for her but I'm not sure it's in the best interests of the country.

 

It will be good for Labour too because once they have been beaten hopefully it will be the end of Corbyn.

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March 16th.


“When the SNP government say that it’s the time to start talking about a new independence referendum, I say that just at this point, all our energies should be focused on our negotiations with the European Union about our future relationship.”


Efforts should be focused on “ensuring we get that right deal for the UK and the right deal for Scotland in our negotiations with the European Union”, May said.


“That’s my job as prime minister. Right now we should be working together, not pulling apart,” she continued, adding: “And so, for that reason, I say to the SNP, now is not the time.”


But now is the time for our energies to be focused elsewhere if it gives me more power :rolleyes:.


In Thatcheresque parlance, "You turn if you want to, the lady's not for turning (much more often than an Olympic ice-skater)."

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I live with the Hooray Henry brigade and the jolly hockey sticks set just outside Cirencester in the Cotswolds, now I have voted Labour all my life, in the last few elections more out of respect for my parents and North East heritage, I've been here just over 4.5 years and this is a staunch conservative area, but I still voted Labour in the last election knowing full well I was pissing in the wind, this time I won't be voting Labour which I say with a heavy heart, but I won't back Cornyn, so this election for me will be liberal and again due to my location I will still be pissing in the wind.

I just hope that more people who normally vote Labour who have decided that the can't vote for Corbyn, and disillusioned Conservatives don't stay at home but vote for Lib Dems and try to give the Conservatives a bloody nose.

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I think it's hard to vote for the Lib Dems. Fallon isn't much better than Corbyn. The choices are terrible.

 

Lib Dem policy is generally pie in the sky too.

 

It will be interesting to see what manifesto pledges come out.

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I think it's hard to vote for the Lib Dems. Fallon isn't much better than Corbyn. The choices are terrible.

Lib Dem policy is generally pie in the sky too.

It will be interesting to see what manifesto pledges come out.

I know Bailey it's pretty depressing, just hate to think Conservatives are going to storm it without anyone putting up a credible fight.

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Mark, the real reason is that,currently, she (the Conservatives) have a very small majority in the House of Commons. With Labour in such disarray, she is now confident that the Conservatives will win with a large majority. This will kill two birds with one stone. First, she will be voted in as PM. Second, she will have a large majority and therefore an ability to introduce policies without fear of being outvoted.

Also she will get another 5 years as PM

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I know Bailey it's pretty depressing, just hate to think Conservatives are going to storm it without anyone putting up a credible fight.

The best chance the other parties have are for putting up a manifesto that includes a remain position. It would put the cat amongst the pigeons.

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Going to have to get a postal vote for this, I'm in Greece on June 8th and will have been for three weeks; very happy to be out of the country while all the usual pre-election bullshit is going on. I may decide not to come back :P.

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Mark, the real reason is that,currently, she (the Conservatives) have a very small majority in the House of Commons. With Labour in such disarray, she is now confident that the Conservatives will win with a large majority. This will kill two birds with one stone. First, she will be voted in as PM. Second, she will have a large majority and therefore an ability to introduce policies without fear of being outvoted.

agree with the above but there is another, imho, fair reason for May to do this. Brexit negotiations are due to be completed March 2019. the current government term is due to expire 2020. That would give the EU the opportunity to play hardball knowing that May was up against a time line and wouldn't want to make any decisions unpopular with the UK electorate. by winning a general election in 2017 she is good until 2022 and then has plenty of time to prepare for that election.

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I echo both yourself Palfy and Bailey, it's a fairly shitty situation with not much hope sadly as they will likely win by a landslide

 

I can't bare the conservatives the detrimental effect they had on the industry (Railway) I work in and others they obliterated will always stop me voting for them, if not for the piece of shit that is Corbyn I'd have voted Labour

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I echo both yourself Palfy and Bailey, it's a fairly shitty situation with not much hope sadly as they will likely win by a landslide

I can't bare the conservatives the detrimental effect they had on the industry (Railway) I work in and others they obliterated will always stop me voting for them, if not for the piece of shit that is Corbyn I'd have voted Labour

Exactly Paul so let's vote Lib Dem even if it is a protest vote it might have some use, in Labour getting shot of Corbyn, and the Tories seeing even if they win the seats they require on proportional representation they wouldn't have walked it.

Better than just throwing the towel in even if it does go against the grain, and anyway not all Liberals are wishy washy Churchill wasn't.

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Exactly Paul so let's vote Lib Dem even if it is a protest vote it might have some use, in Labour getting shot of Corbyn, and the Tories seeing even if they win the seats they require on proportional representation they wouldn't have walked it.

Better than just throwing the towel in even if it does go against the grain, and anyway not all Liberals are wishy washy Churchill wasn't.

 

I'd just hope that people vote for anyone but the Tories, preferably putting personal preference and dislike of Corbyn/Liberals aside and voting for the party most likely to unseat them in any given constituency (UKIP excepted), that's what I'll be doing.

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Come on guys. Abstaining has more value than voting Liberal. :D

What a terrible world we live in when people are against liberal.

Def: willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

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I'd just hope that people vote for anyone but the Tories, preferably putting personal preference and dislike of Corbyn/Liberals aside and voting for the party most likely to unseat them in any given constituency (UKIP excepted), that's what I'll be doing.

People should vote for the party that shares their beliefs the most. I don't get this vote for x or y in protest.

 

I couldn't ever vote for the Lib Dems, nor could I vote for a Labour govt under Corbyn. Likewise I won't be going near UKIP either.

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People should vote for the party that shares their beliefs the most. I don't get this vote for x or y in protest.

 

I couldn't ever vote for the Lib Dems, nor could I vote for a Labour govt under Corbyn. Likewise I won't be going near UKIP either.

 

But if none of them share your views you should go for the least worst option; and how do we know what their views are anyway? They say one thing to get you to vote for them and then do something completely different when they achieve power. Perfect storm time.

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But if none of them share your views you should go for the least worst option; and how do we know what their views are anyway? They say one thing to get you to vote for them and then do something completely different when they achieve power. Perfect storm time.

i found these guides very helpful

 

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

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But if none of them share your views you should go for the least worst option; and how do we know what their views are anyway? They say one thing to get you to vote for them and then do something completely different when they achieve power. Perfect storm time.

If none of them share your views then don't vote. My previous post was wrong though, you should at least wait to hear what they intend to do and how they intend to do it before making your decision. I'm looking forward to those!

 

The last part is true though.

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correct me if i'm wrong is this how the parties are in england?

 

 

Left/Progressive

Green Party

Liberal Democrat

 

Centrist-Left

Labour

 

Centrist-Right

Conservative

 

Right

UKIP

Swap Labour and Lib/Dems and you are about right - unless things have changed a lot since I lived there. Incidentally, I was once a parliamentary candidate for the Liberal Party and knew many of their leaders.

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