General Election/UK Politics

[Romey 1878]

The Conservatives will sort the economy out. I've heard it all now . Hasn't the deficit tripled while they've been in power?

[Matt]

Yes we should:

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-and-conservative-records-national-debt/

 

Voting them in again will just continue to bankrupt the country

 

 

The Conservatives will sort the economy out. I've heard it all now . Hasn't the deficit tripled while they've been in power?

No, but they made it considerably worse

[Romey 1878]

 

 

No, but they made it considerably worse

I wouldn't trust the Conservatives with a fucking fiver.

[EFC-Paul]

When I went in before to vote (Labour) some old farts 70+ were talking outside giving each other their collective votes and all I heard was Conservative's which baffled me tbh

 

Another said well I've nothing better to do we are retired but then moaned about the lack of lighting in the place and moaned that their taxes were paying for the room for the day and demanded it be fully lit I had to bite my tongue

[Matt]

When I went in before to vote (Labour) some old farts 70+ were talking outside giving each other their collective votes and all I heard was Conservative's which baffled me tbh

 

Another said well I've nothing better to do we are retired but then moaned about the lack of lighting in the place and moaned that their taxes were paying for the room for the day and demanded it be fully lit I had to bite my tongue

I wonder how many voted out of habit rather than actually understood the parties

[Palfy]

Can I just get my apology in early here; being two hours ahead of UK time the polls won't be closing 'til midnight for me. Between now and then we'll go out for a meal and I'll have a Mythos or two, then perhaps a drop of Metaxa or Ouzo, so if I'm talking complete bollocks later on (even more than normal) then please forgive me .

 

I thank you.

You enjoy yourself Mike and don't worry were fight for your future and rights, just sit back and take it easy.

And by the way apology not excerpted. Lol

[markjazzbassist]

when can i expect to start seeing some results? i'm on the other side of the pond so your middle of the evening is my dinner time.

[Cornish Steve]

It's a real shame that the Liberal Democrats never seem to achieve critical mass. My views have always been most in line with theirs, and I've always been disappointed that they never achieve a real breakthrough.

[MikeO]

when can i expect to start seeing some results? i'm on the other side of the pond so your middle of the evening is my dinner time.

 

In about an hour and a quarter (23.00 GMT) as soon as the polls close the joint ITV/Sky/BBC exit poll prediction will be announced. Last two elections they've been pretty much spot on so it should be a good guide. Actual results will start to come in around an hour later (strangely it's the one thing in the country where Sunderland usually come first ).

 

It's a real shame that the Liberal Democrats never seem to achieve critical mass. My views have always been most in line with theirs, and I've always been disappointed that they never achieve a real breakthrough.

 

You know as well as I Steve that that's down to our electoral system; I'm of the same political persuasion and have been for forty years but the Liberals, the Lib/SDP aliiance and latterly the Lib Dems have never achieved the representation their popular support has warranted because of the "first past the post" system. That's not going to change because the status quo favours the big two; turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

[markjazzbassist]

 

In about an hour and a quarter (23.00 GMT) as soon as the polls close the joint ITV/Sky/BBC exit poll prediction will be announced. Last two elections they've been pretty much spot on so it should be a good guide. Actual results will start to come in around an hour later (strangely it's the one thing in the country where Sunderland usually come first ).

 

 

You know as well as I Steve that that's down to our electoral system; I'm of the same political persuasion and have been for forty years but the Liberals, the Lib/SDP aliiance and latterly the Lib Dems have never achieved the representation their popular support has warranted because of the "first past the post" system. That's not going to change because the status quo favours the big two; turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

 

thanks mike i'm excited to see the results after following this thread, i've enjoyed the debate.

[Cornish Steve]

I remember well the election in 1983. The results were:

 

Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote, leading to 397 seats in parliament

Labour won 27.6% of the vote, leading to 209 seats in parliament

The Liberals/Social Democrats won 25.4% of the vote, leading to 23 seats in parliament

 

The seats were completely out of whack with votes - as you say, because of the way the system works. The Liberals came second almost everywhere, and you get no seats for coming second.

[Cornish Steve]

Let me make a prediction before the first polls come out: The Conservatives will win the same number of seats (+/-5) as they currently have. In effect, no change. Labour will gain a handful of seats from the Scottish Nationalists, and the Lib Dems will gain 2 seats. That's it.

Edited June 8, 2017 by Cornish Steve

[Matt]

Bye bye, "Great" Britain.

[MikeO]

Tories predicted to get 314 from exit polls.

 

Over the moon if right :jump for joy: .

 

Good call Teresa, strong and stable my arse.

[markjazzbassist]

the pound is falling fast, down 2 percent now

Edited June 8, 2017 by markjazzbassist

[markjazzbassist]

who are the tories going to try and woo to form a coalition govenment? who usually links up with the labour party? i'm trying to do the numbers based on the exit polls.

[MikeO]

the pound is falling fast, down 2 percent now

 

Really don't care.

[holystove]

Tories predicted to get 314 from exit polls.

 

Over the moon if right :jump for joy: .

 

Good call Teresa, strong and stable my arse.

I have laughed at the news for the first time in almost a year.

 

Schadenfreude, I believe is the word.

[MikeO]

who are the tories going to try and woo to form a coalition govenment? who usually links up with the labour party? i'm trying to do the numbers based on the exit polls.

 

Nobody has the numbers to form one other than the SNP if the figures are right, and the SNP never will. May will resign, Tories will form pointless minority government briefly and then we'll have to do it all again.

[markjazzbassist]

 

Nobody has the numbers to form one other than the SNP if the figures are right, and the SNP never will. May will resign, Tories will form minority government briefly and then we'll have to do it all again.

 

thanks mike for the explanation. well if true, a big win for the liberals. also bravo to the one current green party MP, i just saw they only have one on the parliaments website.

[Guest rusty747]

Nobody has the numbers to form one other than the SNP if the figures are right, and the SNP never will. May will resign, Tories will form pointless minority government briefly and then we'll have to do it all again.

Have to agree with you. Even if May sneaks over the line with a narrow overall majority she has lost a lot of credibility.

[Bailey]

I think we need to start a new party lads. Mike and Matt to be the founding members, called a "big pair of TT's" ?

[MikeO]

 

thanks mike for the explanation. well if true, a big win for the liberals. also bravo to the one current green party MP, i just saw they only have one on the parliaments website.

 

Caroline Lucas is a great woman, held a seat in Brighton for a while now.

[Cornish Steve]

 

Caroline Lucas is a great woman, held a seat in Brighton for a while now.

 

Especially when you consider that Brighton is the constituency that holds the record for the most one-sided victory ever - for the Conservatives.

[Cornish Steve]

Wow. Newcastle actually won something, while Sunderland lose again.

[MikeO]

I think we need to start a new party lads. Mike and Matt to be the founding members, called a "big pair of TT's"

 

Just as long as I can be the left TT it's fine with me .

[MikeO]

First couple of results not quite backing the exit poll numbers, making me nervous, I May need to go to bed (see what I did there).

[Guest rusty747]

Early days yet but it looks like UKIP have taken a beating (as expected) and their votes are being split between Labour and Conservative, roughly in line with how the constituencies voted on brexit.

There is also the issue of postal votes which have not (I believe) been able to be included in the exit poll. In short, there is a lot of potential error in the exit poll.

Edited June 8, 2017 by rusty747

[MikeO]

Early days yet but it looks like UKIP have taken a beating (as expected) and their votes are being split between Labour and Conservative, roughly in line with how the constituencies voted on brexit.

There is also the issue of postal votes which have not (I believe) been able to be included in the exit poll. In short, there is a lot of potential error in the exit poll.

 

Indeed, that's one of the reasons why I'm still nervous. 2.00am now, I was expecting to be in bed depressed by this time but the hope has kept me up (sadly the Metaxa has run out).

[MikeO]

Also the internet has chosen tonight to screw up! My fellow occupants are Romanian, Italian, Bulgarian and mainland Greeks so I don't think they're hogging the bandwidth by following the election .