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Imagine trying to honour someone for their humanitarian work but refusing to let their father come into the country to see it. 

The Home Office has refused to grant a visit visa to the father of the chief executive of the Scottish Refugee Council.

Mohammad Zahir Zazai was hoping to come to Britain to see his son Sabir receive an honorary doctorate.

Sabir Zazai won the Lord Provost’s award for human rights this year and will be given a doctorate from the University of Glasgow for 20 years’ work in civil services.

https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/the-home-office-is-denying-a-father-a-visa-to-see-his-son-get-a-doctorate/?fbclid=IwAR3KSkFD4KiWEpd5lblRVstQyreoyNfCbr6Qy1Y5TA2LgdfZnMY8w0qjgyw

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23 hours ago, pete0 said:

Imagine trying to honour someone for their humanitarian work but refusing to let their father come into the country to see it. 

The Home Office has refused to grant a visit visa to the father of the chief executive of the Scottish Refugee Council.

Mohammad Zahir Zazai was hoping to come to Britain to see his son Sabir receive an honorary doctorate.

Sabir Zazai won the Lord Provost’s award for human rights this year and will be given a doctorate from the University of Glasgow for 20 years’ work in civil services.

https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/the-home-office-is-denying-a-father-a-visa-to-see-his-son-get-a-doctorate/?fbclid=IwAR3KSkFD4KiWEpd5lblRVstQyreoyNfCbr6Qy1Y5TA2LgdfZnMY8w0qjgyw

Can’t be true. We’ve no control over who comes in to our county...

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2 minutes ago, rubecula said:

thank od she is going though?

Replacement will be worse though, likely BoJo, who is really as embarrassing as Trump is. Difference is only that Johnson is undoubtedly a man of intellect even though he comes across as a buffoon, whereas Trump is a thick twat whose buffoonery just confirms the fact.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-business-failures-were-very-real

"...between 1985 and 1989, a period when the economy was forging ahead and Trump was busy portraying himself as a billionaire with the Midas touch, his core businesses—apartment buildings, hotels, and casinos—somehow managed to lose $359.1 million. That was only the beginning. As the economy weakened, in 1990 and 1991, Trump’s core businesses racked up losses of $517.5 million. And, between 1992 and 1994, as the economy recovered, they lost another $286.9 million."

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56 minutes ago, Matt said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48403705

oh the choices the choices....

Two murderers, another that will give Trump a run for his money, and one that I don't know who the fuck they are. Joy. And they will be our next Prime Minister even after a General Election because there is zero chance of a Labour victory with Corbyn around.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Two murderers, another that will give Trump a run for his money, and one that I don't know who the fuck they are. Joy. And they will be our next Prime Minister even after a General Election because there is zero chance of a Labour victory with Corbyn around.

This. 

Corbyn seems to be very very popular in Liverpool and in his own front garden, but the rest of the country seem to hate the man. To me he doesn’t look powerful if that makes any sense, I don’t see him standing up to Trump if needed. 

Boris is an absolute plant pot, but I could see him taking no shit from Trump. Not sure I’d want him to be PM though. 

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If I was a member of the Conservative party I would select Rory Stewart as the next leader, he is a moderate and he possesses empathy something that is very rare to find in a conservative MP and let’s be frank most Tory voters. 

Also he would be strong enough to stand up to the right wing and most importantly that fat prick Trump, read his story and I’m sure you will be pleased with his back ground, it’s about time we had a leader who has a grasp on real life instead of these pompous twats the Tories constantly pump out, who have nothing in common with the people they propose to represent. 

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46 minutes ago, Palfy said:

If I was a member of the Conservative party I would select Rory Stewart as the next leader, he is a moderate and he possesses empathy something that is very rare to find in a conservative MP and let’s be frank most Tory voters. 

Also he would be strong enough to stand up to the right wing and most importantly that fat prick Trump, read his story and I’m sure you will be pleased with his back ground, it’s about time we had a leader who has a grasp on real life instead of these pompous twats the Tories constantly pump out, who have nothing in common with the people they propose to represent. 

Son of a diplomat-check.

Private prep school-check.

Eton-check.

Oxbridge-check.

Private tutor to William and Harry-bonus.

Army top brass-check.

Havard professor-check.

Yes he's done some decent humanitarian stuff abroad as well but still cut from the same cloth as the rest of them. Never experienced applying for Universal Credit I wouldn't think, or working on a zero hours contract or getting by on minimum wage.

 

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16 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Son of a diplomat-check.

Private prep school-check.

Eton-check.

Oxbridge-check.

Private tutor to William and Harry-bonus.

Army top brass-check.

Havard professor-check.

Yes he's done some decent humanitarian stuff abroad as well but still cut from the same cloth as the rest of them. Never experienced applying for Universal Credit I wouldn't think, or working on a zero hours contract or getting by on minimum wage.

 

He  can’t be held responsible for his fathers career or his early schooling, yet his father was a good role model who gave him his views on helping those less fortunate, he was also very well liked by the troops under his command. 

He has had a charmed up bringing but he has used that privilege to help people and done stuff for charities in worn torn countries that you and I wouldn’t consider. 

Who would you like to see win the leadership of the Tories to become the next PM and why ?

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Who would you like to see win the leadership of the Tories to become the next PM and why ?

I refer you to my sig below, whoever would be most likely to oversee their permanent demise would be my choice; no idea who that might be. May was making a decent effort so a shame she's going really.

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7 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I refer you to my sig below, whoever would be most likely to oversee their permanent demise would be my choice; no idea who that might be. May was making a decent effort so a shame she's going really.

I understand your point but unfortunately for us who ever is chosen will more than likely be having a final say on our withdrawal from the EU, that could prove to be the demise of more than the Tory Party if the wrong person or people are in charge and there are a lot in the Tory Party who have thrown their hat into the ring that will bring this country to it’s knees, that’s why I see Stewart as the best option for the country and not the Conservative Party because the country and the people in it are of more concern to me at this moment in time than anyone party or party politics. 

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4 hours ago, Palfy said:

I understand your point but unfortunately for us who ever is chosen will more than likely be having a final say on our withdrawal from the EU, that could prove to be the demise of more than the Tory Party if the wrong person or people are in charge and there are a lot in the Tory Party who have thrown their hat into the ring that will bring this country to it’s knees, that’s why I see Stewart as the best option for the country and not the Conservative Party because the country and the people in it are of more concern to me at this moment in time than anyone party or party politics. 

Points taken, clusterfuck whatever happens; I'm at a complete loss to see a decent way forward. Right wing extremism on the rise in Europe and globally as well as Mr Farage, I despair for our future; lessons of history are being forgotten.....even the Jewish community in Germany are being warned against wearing the kippah in public due to the rise of anti-semitism. In Germany, think about it, so afraid by the way the world is going.

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46 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Points taken, clusterfuck whatever happens; I'm at a complete loss to see a decent way forward. Right wing extremism on the rise in Europe and globally as well as Mr Farage, I despair for our future; lessons of history are being forgotten.....even the Jewish community in Germany are being warned against wearing the kippah in public due to the rise of anti-semitism. In Germany, think about it, so afraid by the way the world is going.

I agree we are living in very scary times, and the European Parliament could look a very different place after all the elections have finished it could look more like the Reich Chancellor of the late 30s with far right banners flying from the roof.

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21 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I agree we are living in very scary times, and the European Parliament could look a very different place after all the elections have finished it could look more like the Reich Chancellor of the late 30s with far right banners flying from the roof.

I fear you'll be right. I just can't get my head around it though, so soon after the holocaust millions of people are pushing the to that way of thinking; though admittedly few are suggesting acting that way (yet).

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18 hours ago, MikeO said:

Points taken, clusterfuck whatever happens; I'm at a complete loss to see a decent way forward. Right wing extremism on the rise in Europe and globally as well as Mr Farage, I despair for our future; lessons of history are being forgotten.....even the Jewish community in Germany are being warned against wearing the kippah in public due to the rise of anti-semitism. In Germany, think about it, so afraid by the way the world is going.

"LePen won in 2014 with 24.4%. She’s now on 23.3. In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders - an absolutely key figure in the Euro alt-right - was annihilated, losing all 4 of his MEPs. In Greece, Golden Dawn have dropped from 9.4% to 4.9%. In Austria the FPO from 20% to 17%, in turmoil over financial scandal, and out of gov’t. In Germany the AfD barely moved the dial, adding 1 MEP, while the Greens came second.  In Spain far-right VOX dropped more than 4% since the GE *only a month ago*. In Denmark the DPL has gone from winning in 2014 with 25%, down to 10%. We must be realistic, but also optimistic and positive. Despair is de-energising and, in this case, utterly misplaced. The truth is people are politically engaged and pro-European parties are rallying brilliantly, from a very desperate base."

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12 minutes ago, holystove said:

"LePen won in 2014 with 24.4%. She’s now on 23.3. In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders - an absolutely key figure in the Euro alt-right - was annihilated, losing all 4 of his MEPs. In Greece, Golden Dawn have dropped from 9.4% to 4.9%. In Austria the FPO from 20% to 17%, in turmoil over financial scandal, and out of gov’t. In Germany the AfD barely moved the dial, adding 1 MEP, while the Greens came second.  In Spain far-right VOX dropped more than 4% since the GE *only a month ago*. In Denmark the DPL has gone from winning in 2014 with 25%, down to 10%. We must be realistic, but also optimistic and positive. Despair is de-energising and, in this case, utterly misplaced. The truth is people are politically engaged and pro-European parties are rallying brilliantly, from a very desperate base."

Reassuring that, thanks. The rest of Europe would appear to be coming to their senses to a some extent.

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5 hours ago, MikeO said:

Reassuring that, thanks. The rest of Europe would appear to be coming to their senses to a some extent.

 

5 hours ago, MikeO said:

Reassuring that, thanks. The rest of Europe would appear to be coming to their senses to a some extent.

Even the Swiss agreed to impose stricter gun laws. A massive sign of progress, across the continent 

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5 hours ago, MikeO said:

Reassuring that, thanks. The rest of Europe would appear to be coming to their senses to a some extent.

 

5 hours ago, MikeO said:

Reassuring that, thanks. The rest of Europe would appear to be coming to their senses to a some extent.

Even the Swiss agreed to impose stricter gun laws. A massive sign of progress, across the continent 

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38 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

Even the Swiss agreed to impose stricter gun laws. A massive sign of progress, across the continent 

Laws aren't the problem, people/culture are. Canada has more guns per person than the US but no where near the issues. 

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16 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Laws aren't the problem, people/culture are. Canada has more guns per person than the US but no where near the issues. 

That was exactly my point. Their direct democracy reflect the people’s mood at the time, which reflects the general swing as Mike was referring too. Wouldn’t be surprised if the put it up for debate again soon though, gun culture is quite important here. 

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Not sure if this has been posted before but a sobering thought. It would be ironic if the ghastly FPTP system were to upend its strongest advocates.

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23 minutes ago, Formby said:

Not sure if this has been posted before but a sobering thought. It would be ironic if the ghastly FPTP system were to upend its strongest advocates.

It can’t be true, people don’t want Brexit anymore. 

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Just now, Romey 1878 said:

It can’t be true, people don’t want Brexit anymore. 

Who’s said that? 

Scary thing is the indifference being shown except for people with more extreme views 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

Who’s said that? 

Scary thing is the indifference being shown except for people with more extreme views 

Mike has been posting about how the message of the European elections was a clear indication that people don’t want to leave any longer. 

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1 hour ago, Formby said:

Not sure if this has been posted before but a sobering thought. It would be ironic if the ghastly FPTP system were to upend its strongest advocates.

Ukip won the 2014 euro elections by a mile, you'd have got a similar result (though not as extreme) if you'd extrapolated those results. How many seats did they get in the 2015 GE? One 

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5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Mike has been posting about how the message of the European elections was a clear indication that people don’t want to leave any longer. 

I’ve read it as there being a big change of mind rather than absolute. 

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4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Mike has been posting about how the message of the European elections was a clear indication that people don’t want to leave any longer. 

I've just been pointing out stuff like only one in ten of the electorate voted for them, that 11m people who voted out in 2016 didn't vote for the Brexit party this time around, why is that if everyone is still firmly behind it?

Just pointing out facts and asking questions.

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3 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I've just been pointing out stuff like only one in ten of the electorate voted for them, that 11m people who voted out in 2016 didn't vote for the Brexit party this time around, why is that if everyone is still firmly behind it?

Just pointing out facts and asking questions.

Mike, the European elections have never attracted large turnouts.  Less than 40% this time and some areas considerably less.  The EU referendum was the highest turnout in voting history.  How many remain voters who voted in the EU referendum voted in the European elections? Why is that if everyone is still firmly against it?   Both the Brexit party and the Lib Dems got a  mass of protest votes at the expense of the two main parties. At the end of the day, I don't think you can read a lot into it, protest votes tend to be a 'one-off'.

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30 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Ukip won the 2014 euro elections by a mile, you'd have got a similar result (though not as extreme) if you'd extrapolated those results. How many seats did they get in the 2015 GE? One 

If you click the link, Mike, there is a video explanation of the results. As you say, UKIP got 13% of the vote in 2015 with one seat. The Brexit Party's share of the GE vote this time is projected to be 18%. They have done better than UKIP. I think that would probably equate to more seats. Whatever your feeling towards Brexiteers / Brexit, that's a good chunk of people.  

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No arguments against either of those posts. I realise that it was a protest vote, I'm just surprised that Brexit didn't get more votes given the situation, I expected them to.

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12 hours ago, StevO said:

Now that is an interesting poll. 

I'm pretty sure that even if those figures were 100% accurate Labour and Torys would still have more MPs than Brexit or LibDem, the FPTP system is weighted heavily in their favour. Certainly Brexit and LibDem would get a decent amount but as an example the LibDems got 23% of the vote in 2010 and only 57 seats, less than 9% of them. Absurd system.

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On 24/05/2019 at 14:57, MikeO said:

Replacement will be worse though, likely BoJo, who is really as embarrassing as Trump is. Difference is only that Johnson is undoubtedly a man of intellect even though he comes across as a buffoon, whereas Trump is a thick twat whose buffoonery just confirms the fact.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-business-failures-were-very-real

"...between 1985 and 1989, a period when the economy was forging ahead and Trump was busy portraying himself as a billionaire with the Midas touch, his core businesses—apartment buildings, hotels, and casinos—somehow managed to lose $359.1 million. That was only the beginning. As the economy weakened, in 1990 and 1991, Trump’s core businesses racked up losses of $517.5 million. And, between 1992 and 1994, as the economy recovered, they lost another $286.9 million."

I am pleased  that Trump is involving himself now  as it means that boris is going to face a lot lore ridicule so is less likely to win.

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https://medium.com/black-isle-journalism/mike-pompeo-threatens-to-intervene-in-british-democracy-to-stop-corbyn-becoming-prime-minister-609611b6e1ae

For those who think Corbyn is too weak to be a leader. The US fear him and over here the rich and the powerful fear him.  

Only reasons I can think is they know he's capable of change. He'll reduce the influence of the few elites who actually run the country and make 98% of people better off. 

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

Real man of the people Boris.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579

How can he, "use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000" if we have a no-deal Brexit?

The median wage in London is £35k and £22k for the rest of the UK. So well over 50% of the population earn no where near enough to be affected by cutting the upper tax threshold and all the other tax advantages the tories create, whilst their benefit system is starving people and driving them suicidal, yet they still manage to get the majority. Baffles me who votes for them. 

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5 hours ago, pete0 said:

Baffles me who votes for them

People who now believe they are middle class because it's good for their ego 😨 but not their bank balance most of them are still 1-2 pay checks away from bankruptcy.

Oh and the fact that Labour have chosen a leader who is despised by most Labour supporters..

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Not sure but I think we are all in agreement here,  change the title of the thread tp  elections  as it is not a general election thread now  

 

lol

 

 

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18 hours ago, pete0 said:

The median wage in London is £35k and £22k for the rest of the UK. So well over 50% of the population earn no where near enough to be affected by cutting the upper tax threshold and all the other tax advantages the tories create, whilst their benefit system is starving people and driving them suicidal, yet they still manage to get the majority. Baffles me who votes for them. 

And the "man" mostly responsible for that, Iain Duncan Smith, comes out in support of him. You couldn't make it up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48589893

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22 hours ago, MikeO said:

Real man of the people Boris.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579

How can he, "use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000" if we have a no-deal Brexit?

He's not saying this to win a general election though.   He's trying to convince the 124,000 conservative party members who will decide the future of the UK in choosing the next PM.

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2 hours ago, holystove said:

He's not saying this to win a general election though.   He's trying to convince the 124,000 conservative party members who will decide the future of the UK in choosing the next PM.

“Democracy”, fuck yeah!

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