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Had a flyer from the LibDems today asking for Labour and the Greens to vote for them to oust the Conservatives, who hold just a 4% lead over them. 
Basically saying that if one in two Labour voters voted LibDem they would beat James Gray, who was an ardent supporter of austerity and Johnstone supporter. 
Well now I feel that my vote could actually make a change to stop the Tory far right. 
North Wiltshire have just gained 2 tactical voting LibDems 

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36 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Had a flyer from the LibDems today asking for Labour and the Greens to vote for them to oust the Conservatives, who hold just a 4% lead over them. 
Basically saying that if one in two Labour voters voted LibDem they would beat James Gray, who was an ardent supporter of austerity and Johnstone supporter. 
Well now I feel that my vote could actually make a change to stop the Tory far right. 
North Wiltshire have just gained 2 tactical voting LibDems 

It's the right thing to do for me Palf. Sadly down here (Tiverton & Honiton) the bookies have the tories at 1/200 so no amount of tactical voting will ditch them, they're carrying a 20,000 lead from 2017.

Incidentally drove past this on Thursday; unfortunately we didn't know what was happening at the time and the "anti" protesters had their backs to us so all we could see was a line of police and a few brexit/tory activists on the other side of it. On the basis of what we could see my wife wound down her window and expressed her opinion of the proceedings with a single screamed plural noun beginning with a "w". Once we got to my mother-in-law's a few miles further I looked up what was going on and wanted to go back and say, "...she didn't mean you, sorry."

😂

 

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29 minutes ago, MikeO said:

It's the right thing to do for me Palf. Sadly down here (Tiverton & Honiton) the bookies have the tories at 1/200 so no amount of tactical voting will ditch them, they're carrying a 20,000 lead from 2017.

Incidentally drove past this on Thursday; unfortunately we didn't know what was happening at the time and the "anti" protesters had their backs to us so all we could see was a line of police and a few brexit/tory activists on the other side of it. On the basis of what we could see my wife wound down her window and expressed her opinion of the proceedings with a single screamed plural noun beginning with a "w". Once we got to my mother-in-law's a few miles further I looked up what was going on and wanted to go back and say, "...she didn't mean you, sorry."

😂

 

😂😂😂 brilliant ☺️

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Had a flyer from the LibDems today asking for Labour and the Greens to vote for them to oust the Conservatives, who hold just a 4% lead over them. 
Basically saying that if one in two Labour voters voted LibDem they would beat James Gray, who was an ardent supporter of austerity and Johnstone supporter. 
Well now I feel that my vote could actually make a change to stop the Tory far right. 
North Wiltshire have just gained 2 tactical voting LibDems 

Whilst nearly all of me agrees with doing whatever it takes, I hate the way the LD are going about things. They’re effectively trying to buy power and how is that any different from the conservatives? They’ve become predatory, opportunistic and purely focused on the short term gains for themselves 

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33 minutes ago, Matt said:

Whilst nearly all of me agrees with doing whatever it takes, I hate the way the LD are going about things. They’re effectively trying to buy power and how is that any different from the conservatives? They’ve become predatory, opportunistic and purely focused on the short term gains for themselves 

I know where you’re coming from, the LibDems were the party that backed the Tories up and helped them administer their disastrous austerity plan, but they paid a heavy price at the subsequent general elections for their betrayal of the middle of the road voters for propping up a right wing party bordering on the far right, so I can only hope they have learned the errors of their ways. 
I’m a Labour voter but living in an area where they only received 7% of the vote last election, with the Tories on 41% and the LibDems on 37% and the Brexit Party on 8% and the rest made up by others. 
For me it’s a lesser of two evils, vote Labour and achieve nothing, or vote LibDem with a chance of over turning the Tories and stopping Brexit. 

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15 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I know where you’re coming from, the LibDems were the party that backed the Tories up and helped them administer their disastrous austerity plan, but they paid a heavy price at the subsequent general elections for their betrayal of the middle of the road voters for propping up a right wing party bordering on the far right, so I can only hope they have learned the errors of their ways. 
I’m a Labour voter but living in an area where they only received 7% of the vote last election, with the Tories on 41% and the LibDems on 37% and the Brexit Party on 8% and the rest made up by others. 
For me it’s a lesser of two evils, vote Labour and achieve nothing, or vote LibDem with a chance of over turning the Tories and stopping Brexit. 

I don’t think they’ve learnt the error of their ways though. They were always my preferred party before they showed their true colours, and their latest approach only confirms my fears about them; they’re clueless to the point they’ll do anything. even worse, I think they’ve learnt from the devil and are trying to capitalise - put it this way; except for promising to cancel a50, what is their actual plan? Based on their tactics in the last 10-15 years, they’re as bad as the Tory’s in terms of their goals 

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2 minutes ago, Matt said:

I don’t think they’ve learnt the error of their ways though. They were always my preferred party before they showed their true colours, and their latest approach only confirms my fears about them; they’re clueless to the point they’ll do anything. even worse, I think they’ve learnt from the devil and are trying to capitalise - put it this way; except for promising to cancel a50, what is their actual plan? Based on their tactics in the last 10-15 years, they’re as bad as the Tory’s in terms of their goals 

Fuck Matt stop making me feel bad, I’d fight tooth and nail to remain in the EU and see this has the best option to me at the present time. 
Wish me luck in my quest😀

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34 minutes ago, Matt said:

Whilst nearly all of me agrees with doing whatever it takes, I hate the way the LD are going about things. They’re effectively trying to buy power and how is that any different from the conservatives? They’ve become predatory, opportunistic and purely focused on the short term gains for themselves 

Given that the election is all about brexit ultimately; the tories went into the referendum as a broad church with many members & MPs voting remain and have now morphed into the default brexit party, Labour don't know their arse from their elbow sadly; the LibDems have stuck by what they campaigned for all along unless I missed something so I'd have to disagree.

2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I know where you’re coming from, the LibDems were the party that backed the Tories up and helped them administer their disastrous austerity plan, but they paid a heavy price at the subsequent general elections for their betrayal of the middle of the road voters for propping up a right wing party bordering on the far right, so I can only hope they have learned the errors of their ways. 
I’m a Labour voter but living in an area where they only received 7% of the vote last election, with the Tories on 41% and the LibDems on 31% and the Brexit Party on 8% and the rest made up by others. 
For me it’s a lesser of two evils, vote Labour and achieve nothing, or vote LibDem with a chance of over turning the Tories and stopping Brexit. 

Indeed they were but (and I've said this before) even though they made mistakes the tory regime would've been infinitely worse had the LDs not been there to reign them in at times; it did indeed cost them big time and it was always going to but they still did it. I know many won't be but I'm willing to move on for the greater good (imo) this time around.

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On 09/11/2019 at 00:51, pete0 said:

You like captilsm, I'd prefer communism. But looks like Sweden could potentially be a happy medium 🙂. Where's @Peter H any room over there for about 30 million of us? 

 

apart from being far from a communist country, (im a local lib dem representative) Sweden does have a lot of social networks and welfare systems. We like to leave no-one behind in the system. Swedens a big country, you bring the companies and work and we will find you somewhere to live ;) 

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5 hours ago, Peter H said:

apart from being far from a communist country, (im a local lib dem representative) Sweden does have a lot of social networks and welfare systems. We like to leave no-one behind in the system. Swedens a big country, you bring the companies and work and we will find you somewhere to live ;) 

I’d swop Britain for Sweden right now, I can’t bring the work do you still have some where for me to live. 
What are the golf courses like before we go to far😀

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9 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I’d swop Britain for Sweden right now, I can’t bring the work do you still have some where for me to live. 
What are the golf courses like before we go to far😀

Brilliant but under six feet of snow for most of the year, you need to carry a shovel in your bag to dig your ball out; no worries other than the fact that it takes (on average) 77.2 hours to complete nine holes, so if you bring bring thermal vest/kindling/sleeping bag you'll be fine:P. Just need to man up like my Scandinavian brothers. 

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15 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Brilliant but under six feet of snow for most of the year, you need to carry a shovel in your bag to dig your ball out; no worries other than the fact that it takes (on average) 77.2 hours to complete nine holes, so if you bring bring thermal vest/kindling/sleeping bag you'll be fine:P. Just need to man up like my Scandinavian brothers. 

Think I’ll give it a miss on reflection 😀

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7 hours ago, pete0 said:

Remember when Diane Abbot got her numbers mixed up and it was a massive deal. Why's it not so much of a big deal when it's an over privileged white man... 

That is one very clever point, I’m going to assume that you never saw that written or said by anyone else, and if that’s the case you need to email that to the other parties fighting this election, I’m sure one of them would run with that.

Best post on here for along time, well done Pete 👌👏👏👏👏

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4 hours ago, Palfy said:

That is one very clever point, I’m going to assume that you never saw that written or said by anyone else, and if that’s the case you need to email that to the other parties fighting this election, I’m sure one of them would run with that.

Best post on here for along time, well done Pete 👌👏👏👏👏

Cheers Palfy, just tweeted Owen Jones. Hopefully he picks up the stick. 

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On 20/11/2019 at 18:45, MikeO said:

Brilliant but under six feet of snow for most of the year, you need to carry a shovel in your bag to dig your ball out; no worries other than the fact that it takes (on average) 77.2 hours to complete nine holes, so if you bring bring thermal vest/kindling/sleeping bag you'll be fine:P. Just need to man up like my Scandinavian brothers. 

Lol

On 20/11/2019 at 18:36, Palfy said:

I’d swop Britain for Sweden right now, I can’t bring the work do you still have some where for me to live. 
What are the golf courses like before we go to far😀

Golf is good, thats why we produce so many good golfers from our tiny country.

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4 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I think it’s because they are so convinced that they are going to win because of their stance on Brexit, that they don’t have to really care about the daily life’s of the people in this country. 
They are going to get a bloody nose for there utter contempt that they hold for certain parts of our country and services. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

They are going to get a bloody nose for there utter contempt that they hold for certain parts of our country and services

Hope you're right, polls suggest otherwise, but polls have been wrong before so we live in hope.

Quite why anybody in sane mind would vote for the clown completely eludes me.

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Five/six years ago I could guarantee to get to see my GP any day I wanted (unless he was on holiday) with a phone call in the morning, today I went into the surgery to book an appointment and the earliest I can see him is Dec 20th, the earliest I can see any GP is Dec 17th. Thanks Tories.

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Tories court lying again, with one of there MPs caught settling up a fake door step canvassing campaign, by the press he was trying to impress, if they win does that mean our friends and neighbours can’t be trusted because they are voting for a party that they knowingly no have been proven to lie. 
What does that say about people’s morals and fair play in this country. 
 

I want to apologise for my comment on Tory voters it was wrong of me to make a connection with Tory voters and there lying MPs and leader, the easiest thing I could have done was to delete my first post, but that wouldn’t have shown how this fake election campaign is angering and splitting the country. 
 

Why should people who get caught knowingly lying in this election, to try and hoodwink people into voting for them not be thrown out there relative parties and face charges. 

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Coward...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50592259

...but unless the polls are miles off (wouldn't be the first time) he's going to get his majority. UK's Trump, I'm really ashamed to be British just now, what is the matter with people? Do they have no compassion or conscience? Let's vote in the nasty party because we'll be OK, screw the poor.

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Wonder whether he wrote this before or after contributing an extra little bastard himself. 

“Feeble” and unreliable men were more to blame for the problem than “uppity and irresponsible women”, he suggested.

He goes on about cutting benefits to make things more difficult for single mums which with hindsight is even more sinister if he was targeting the mother of his illegitimate child. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-boris-johnson-articles-women-women-journalist-spectator-labour-a9221036.html?fbclid=IwAR1CsKqY0daMh8Dzp-pn737UNazPChvtuRht5pqYxFcC2iPMvbZ0n8efyO0

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On 28/11/2019 at 17:57, MikeO said:

Coward...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50592259

...but unless the polls are miles off (wouldn't be the first time) he's going to get his majority. UK's Trump, I'm really ashamed to be British just now, what is the matter with people? Do they have no compassion or conscience? Let's vote in the nasty party because we'll be OK, screw the poor.

Labour will never win an election with Corbyn as leader unfortunately. The sooner Labour realise that the better.

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10 hours ago, MikeO said:

I agree.

It’s not over yet lads last week the Tories had a 13% lead over Labour, this week a poll by the independent show’s that the Tories lead has dropped to 6%, which would result in a hung parliament and the end of the Tories for the next 4-5 years. 

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As long as tories dont get a majority. I cant see them forming a government with the dup again and they wont join forces with the brexit party. 

lib dems wont work with them as long as they want to leave the EU.

 

i can see a labour, lib dem coalition with a second referendum. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Peter H said:

As long as tories dont get a majority. I cant see them forming a government with the dup again and they wont join forces with the brexit party. 

lib dems wont work with them as long as they want to leave the EU.

 

i can see a labour, lib dem coalition with a second referendum. 

 

The Lib Dem’s will work with anyone that will give them any sort of power. 

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-general-election-advert-ban-google-fake-news-manifesto-labour-a9223846.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3yVRJYDDBjcLttpA40TBLAifYdaMKHhcxte0JbYinPxQUoaVULgLsoZAo#Echobox=1575189143

Tory adverts still visible that were not taken down still include links purporting to send users to “Corbyn’s Labour manifesto” which point to “labourmanifesto.co.uk” – the Tories’ site. Other uncensored adverts purport to be a link to “Labour’s Brexit Policy”, “Labour Party Education Policy”, and “Labour’s Defence Policy” but instead send users to the Conservative website. 

Imagine condoning this? This is the type of shit we use as an excuse to invade and dismantle dictatorships. 

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1 hour ago, Peter H said:

As long as tories dont get a majority. I cant see them forming a government with the dup again and they wont join forces with the brexit party. 

The Tories will get a majority I'm sad to say so they won't need any support, the brexit party nutters won't win a single seat so they're irrelevant.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

The Lib Dem’s will work with anyone that will give them any sort of power. 

Not this time, once bitten twice shy. Besides that their flagship promise is to remain while the tory's is to "get brexit done" so there's no common ground. The nasty party will get over the line I'm sure but interestingly the bookies are backing off a bit today and "no overall majority" odds are creeping down. I live in hope.

Had someone knock on the front door yesterday so was ready for a fight but it was a bloke from the local council surveying homeowners about cavity wall insulation; told him I didn't envy him knocking on doors at the moment, could be hazardous to health! I've noticed in this election (certainly where we live) a marked lack of posters on people's houses; I'm sure that's down to the current toxicity making people scared to advertise their views in case they get a brick through their window. All very sad.

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19 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Not this time, once bitten twice shy. Besides that their flagship promise is to remain while the tory's is to "get brexit done" so there's no common ground. The nasty party will get over the line I'm sure but interestingly the bookies are backing off a bit today and "no overall majority" odds are creeping down. I live in hope.

Had someone knock on the front door yesterday so was ready for a fight but it was a bloke from the local council surveying homeowners about cavity wall insulation; told him I didn't envy him knocking on doors at the moment, could be hazardous to health! I've noticed in this election (certainly where we live) a marked lack of posters on people's houses; I'm sure that's down to the current toxicity making people scared to advertise their views in case they get a brick through their window. All very sad.

It’s very easy for them to have that stand now but if the Cunts need their help and come calling I think their stance will radically change. After all Swinson is nothing but a Tory masquerading as a Liberal. 

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1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

It’s very easy for them to have that stand now but if the Cunts need their help and come calling I think their stance will radically change. After all Swinson is nothing but a Tory masquerading as a Liberal. 

I disagree Mark but I promise not to put a brick through your window.

 

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23 hours ago, Peter H said:

As long as tories dont get a majority. I cant see them forming a government with the dup again and they wont join forces with the brexit party. 

lib dems wont work with them as long as they want to leave the EU.

 

i can see a labour, lib dem coalition with a second referendum. 

 

Amen 🙏 Or a Labour SNP coalition. 

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35 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Appreciate that, it’s bad enough knowing Johnson will be running the country for the next 5 years without having to find a glazer too. 

Dominic Cummings will have his arm up Johnson's arse and Johnson will be purely a ventriloquist doll, he's not got the sense to talk for himself.

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Not specifically about the election but talking about the countries politics I heard this woman in the car this morning, from about 1:14:45 in, she talked a lot of sense (though I don't agree with her 100% on everything). Dame Louise Casey, we could do with some like her in power.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000bvtk

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Lib dems are unionists first and their biggest promise is to remain in the EU. They wont be able to deliver that. Second best thing would be a second referendum. Labour has promised that so it makes sense that the Lib Dems work together with Labour to deliver a second referendum. 
if the tories would promise to hold a second referendum to get the Lib Dems support it would be a different story since the tories and the lib dems have more common ground to stand on. So you might believe that the lib dems would do anything for some power, I dont see it that way, I believe its their duty to their voters to work with the party that offeres them to most influence to get their politics done. Brexit or remain is the biggest question in UK politics. Im pretty sure that the lib dems wont change their stance on that. 

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2 hours ago, Peter H said:

Lib dems are unionists first and their biggest promise is to remain in the EU. They wont be able to deliver that. Second best thing would be a second referendum. Labour has promised that so it makes sense that the Lib Dems work together with Labour to deliver a second referendum. 
if the tories would promise to hold a second referendum to get the Lib Dems support it would be a different story since the tories and the lib dems have more common ground to stand on. So you might believe that the lib dems would do anything for some power, I dont see it that way, I believe its their duty to their voters to work with the party that offeres them to most influence to get their politics done. Brexit or remain is the biggest question in UK politics. Im pretty sure that the lib dems wont change their stance on that. 

I'd have favoured LibDems last time but they showed their true colours. Would have made much more sense to join Labour in a coalition but they chose the tories. Labour would have followed through on their main promises yet that chose to go with the tories. Only conclusion I can come to is that they are riddled with secret conservatives and I'd even say labour were too. This county is a disgrace. I've been laughed at on here before for saying how corrupt we are but this year I think most would can see how disgusting the party is. 

Ps. Anyone who voted tory is scum. Sick of it now. Sick of being polite, sick of accepting 'opinion'. Said it before I found it hard to believe the ww2 was less than a hundred years ago when I was school, couldn't believe how naive or evil people could be and I'm fully ashamed that I'm from the country that is more than likely gonna cause ww3. Seriously anyone person who votes for them is a disgrace, absolute scum of the earth. What reason is there to vote for them other than racist or stupid? 

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There is one thing I don't understand.  All those Tories who believe a hard brexit will damage the UK, but will still vote Johnson because they fear Corbyn will do more harm to the economy.  How can these Tories not understand that a hard brexit would do much more harm to the UK economy than a Corbyn-led minorty government could ever do?

Looking at it from this side of the Channel, there are two possible outcomes:

* Tory majority : withdrawal deal passes, much more difficult phase two starts which either crashes at the end of 2020 or lasts for multiple years.

* Labour-SNP-LibDem coalition, in which SNP will get its indyref, LibDem will get their second referendum, but there is not a chance in hell Corbyn will get his "gigafactories".  At most, UK will be run like the average EU country with a socialist government in power.

I would just go with this https://tactical.vote/

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1 hour ago, holystove said:

There is one thing I don't understand.  All those Tories who believe a hard brexit will damage the UK, but will still vote Johnson because they fear Corbyn will do more harm to the economy.  How can these Tories not understand that a hard brexit would do much more harm to the UK economy than a Corbyn-led minorty government could ever do?

Looking at it from this side of the Channel, there are two possible outcomes:

* Tory majority : withdrawal deal passes, much more difficult phase two starts which either crashes at the end of 2020 or lasts for multiple years.

* Labour-SNP-LibDem coalition, in which SNP will get its indyref, LibDem will get their second referendum, but there is not a chance in hell Corbyn will get his "gigafactories".  At most, UK will be run like the average EU country with a socialist government in power.

I would just go with this https://tactical.vote/

We've just had 10 years of them and national debt has doubled, yet there's been no investment absolutely nothing for the public to show for it other than the rich getting richer. Every politician should be investigated and prosecuted if their votes were not in the national interests. There's been 200,000 needless deaths the last 10 years and not one of them is being held accountable. 

No need for me, fortunately I live Liverpool so haven't been brainwashed by the nasty party. On the other hand my vote won't make a difference though. 

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5 hours ago, pete0 said:

...the rich getting richer. 

Heard a stat on the radio today that the richest eight people in the country combined have more wealth than the poorest thirteen million combined.

Shocking.

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