Romey 1878 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: Who’s said that? Scary thing is the indifference being shown except for people with more extreme views Mike has been posting about how the message of the European elections was a clear indication that people don’t want to leave any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Formby said: Not sure if this has been posted before but a sobering thought. It would be ironic if the ghastly FPTP system were to upend its strongest advocates. Ukip won the 2014 euro elections by a mile, you'd have got a similar result (though not as extreme) if you'd extrapolated those results. How many seats did they get in the 2015 GE? One Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Mike has been posting about how the message of the European elections was a clear indication that people don’t want to leave any longer. I’ve read it as there being a big change of mind rather than absolute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Mike has been posting about how the message of the European elections was a clear indication that people don’t want to leave any longer. I've just been pointing out stuff like only one in ten of the electorate voted for them, that 11m people who voted out in 2016 didn't vote for the Brexit party this time around, why is that if everyone is still firmly behind it? Just pointing out facts and asking questions. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 More people signed the petition to revoke article 50 than voted for the Brexit party. If you could vote online this country would be in a much better position. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, MikeO said: I've just been pointing out stuff like only one in ten of the electorate voted for them, that 11m people who voted out in 2016 didn't vote for the Brexit party this time around, why is that if everyone is still firmly behind it? Just pointing out facts and asking questions. Mike, the European elections have never attracted large turnouts. Less than 40% this time and some areas considerably less. The EU referendum was the highest turnout in voting history. How many remain voters who voted in the EU referendum voted in the European elections? Why is that if everyone is still firmly against it? Both the Brexit party and the Lib Dems got a mass of protest votes at the expense of the two main parties. At the end of the day, I don't think you can read a lot into it, protest votes tend to be a 'one-off'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 30 minutes ago, MikeO said: Ukip won the 2014 euro elections by a mile, you'd have got a similar result (though not as extreme) if you'd extrapolated those results. How many seats did they get in the 2015 GE? One If you click the link, Mike, there is a video explanation of the results. As you say, UKIP got 13% of the vote in 2015 with one seat. The Brexit Party's share of the GE vote this time is projected to be 18%. They have done better than UKIP. I think that would probably equate to more seats. Whatever your feeling towards Brexiteers / Brexit, that's a good chunk of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 No arguments against either of those posts. I realise that it was a protest vote, I'm just surprised that Brexit didn't get more votes given the situation, I expected them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 31, 2019 Report Share Posted May 31, 2019 6 hours ago, MikeO said: Now that is an interesting poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 12 hours ago, StevO said: Now that is an interesting poll. I'm pretty sure that even if those figures were 100% accurate Labour and Torys would still have more MPs than Brexit or LibDem, the FPTP system is weighted heavily in their favour. Certainly Brexit and LibDem would get a decent amount but as an example the LibDems got 23% of the vote in 2010 and only 57 seats, less than 9% of them. Absurd system. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 1, 2019 Report Share Posted June 1, 2019 With Trump championing Johnstone as the PM hopefully that has put the kiss of death on his chance of winning the Tory leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 24/05/2019 at 14:57, MikeO said: Replacement will be worse though, likely BoJo, who is really as embarrassing as Trump is. Difference is only that Johnson is undoubtedly a man of intellect even though he comes across as a buffoon, whereas Trump is a thick twat whose buffoonery just confirms the fact. https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-business-failures-were-very-real "...between 1985 and 1989, a period when the economy was forging ahead and Trump was busy portraying himself as a billionaire with the Midas touch, his core businesses—apartment buildings, hotels, and casinos—somehow managed to lose $359.1 million. That was only the beginning. As the economy weakened, in 1990 and 1991, Trump’s core businesses racked up losses of $517.5 million. And, between 1992 and 1994, as the economy recovered, they lost another $286.9 million." I am pleased that Trump is involving himself now as it means that boris is going to face a lot lore ridicule so is less likely to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Palfy said: With Trump championing Johnstone as the PM hopefully that has put the kiss of death on his chance of winning the Tory leadership. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48487973 hes not the only cretin the tango monster is backing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 34 minutes ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48487973 hes not the only cretin the tango monster is backing... Why doesn't the ignorant twat piss off and sort out his own mess. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, MikeO said: Why doesn't the ignorant twat piss off and sort out his own mess. Because he’s an attention whore. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 2, 2019 Report Share Posted June 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48487973 hes not the only cretin the tango monster is backing... Without trying to sound too melodramatic with all theses idiots running some of the biggest super powers in the world, where will all this end a Third World War maybe? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 Tory candidate one. https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/esther-mcvey-tory-leadership-dwp-legacy_uk_5cf50ab2e4b0a1997b6dabd8?x1&fbclid=IwAR1NMo3dsIibHe4DnTsD5Zps-uu2D8n7pCO0oG0-6QhBkUbk2S3wZ3Dg3vY Tory candidate 2. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/03/philip-hammond-accused-of-being-blind-to-scale-of-uk-poverty?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR37CVsXtuhIQ1g9yb6LIdc093EEYQw18bTR8HnyoGr55Z4jrzkJavxK9Fg One doesn't accept she's made people worse off and the other doesn't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Real man of the people Boris. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579 How can he, "use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000" if we have a no-deal Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 https://medium.com/black-isle-journalism/mike-pompeo-threatens-to-intervene-in-british-democracy-to-stop-corbyn-becoming-prime-minister-609611b6e1ae For those who think Corbyn is too weak to be a leader. The US fear him and over here the rich and the powerful fear him. Only reasons I can think is they know he's capable of change. He'll reduce the influence of the few elites who actually run the country and make 98% of people better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 hours ago, MikeO said: Real man of the people Boris. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579 How can he, "use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000" if we have a no-deal Brexit? The median wage in London is £35k and £22k for the rest of the UK. So well over 50% of the population earn no where near enough to be affected by cutting the upper tax threshold and all the other tax advantages the tories create, whilst their benefit system is starving people and driving them suicidal, yet they still manage to get the majority. Baffles me who votes for them. MikeO, Matt and Palfy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 5 hours ago, pete0 said: Baffles me who votes for them People who now believe they are middle class because it's good for their ego but not their bank balance most of them are still 1-2 pay checks away from bankruptcy. Oh and the fact that Labour have chosen a leader who is despised by most Labour supporters.. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 Not sure but I think we are all in agreement here, change the title of the thread tp elections as it is not a general election thread now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 18 hours ago, pete0 said: The median wage in London is £35k and £22k for the rest of the UK. So well over 50% of the population earn no where near enough to be affected by cutting the upper tax threshold and all the other tax advantages the tories create, whilst their benefit system is starving people and driving them suicidal, yet they still manage to get the majority. Baffles me who votes for them. And the "man" mostly responsible for that, Iain Duncan Smith, comes out in support of him. You couldn't make it up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48589893 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 22 hours ago, MikeO said: Real man of the people Boris. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579 How can he, "use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000" if we have a no-deal Brexit? He's not saying this to win a general election though. He's trying to convince the 124,000 conservative party members who will decide the future of the UK in choosing the next PM. Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, holystove said: He's not saying this to win a general election though. He's trying to convince the 124,000 conservative party members who will decide the future of the UK in choosing the next PM. “Democracy”, fuck yeah! pete0 and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 Unfortunate timing for Hunt. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/junior-doctors-contract-breakthrough-3-16499198?fbclid=IwAR3X04jaQNQjEcB4pBCbuFvL17ZPJEBUpwgx-EGeXZ2JiR-0lM30V2m2l1Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 what a lovely lot. MikeO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: what a lovely lot. Amazing to think that Boris is the best of the bunch there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Matt said: Amazing to think that Boris is the best of the bunch there Knowing him it was a tactical decision just so he could throw that sounbite out there himself in the eventuality he could be up to be the next leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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