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Loaning him out to a "lesser" club would be humiliating for the guy given his history and I'd not blame him for refusing it; hope he stays and fights for his chance because (imo) undoubtedly there's a player in there.

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Feel sorry for this guy. Who was he brought in to replace? If he was our answer to Lukaku leaving then he should have been starting ahead of DCL every week. To me it seems like the fact we got him 'cheap' because of his contract situation mentally puts him down the pecking order. He hasn't shown anything amazing yet but who has? When we signed him he should have been our main striker or loaned out. Sitting on the bench getting a handful of minutes is bad business in terms of career progression and player value. This stinks of a player being frozen out because the current manager didn't sign him. 

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To me it speaks volumes that Niasse has climbed above him in the pecking order despite his know limitations.

His loosing of footing and loose touches were more prominant and frequent than any moments of quality or inspiration this season.

Can’t see anyone purchasing him on his current wages. A loan to keep him developing would be ideal.

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10 hours ago, MikeO said:

Loaning him out to a "lesser" club would be humiliating for the guy given his history and I'd not blame him for refusing it; hope he stays and fights for his chance because (imo) undoubtedly there's a player in there.

What history? A handful of games with Barcelona, a decent season with Malaga? 

I'd rather he went out and found some confidence, and if it is a self-belief issue, then being a big fish in a little pond might work out well for him

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2 hours ago, Paddock said:

We shouldn’t be selling any of the new players least of all this lad- I get them getting twitchy over a 20 odd million pound player flopping and wanting to recuperate funds but we paic 5 mil for him, keep him and see if he develops and adapts to English football, he’s 21 ffs we have older players than that on the books in the rezzies.

Criminal if we let him go- even if he doesn’t adapt we’ll make money on him. 

Agree. It would be much more productive if we gave him some time and experience. At the worst it would up his value.

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10 hours ago, Hoof_It_Nev said:

Feel sorry for this guy. Who was he brought in to replace? If he was our answer to Lukaku leaving then he should have been starting ahead of DCL every week. To me it seems like the fact we got him 'cheap' because of his contract situation mentally puts him down the pecking order. He hasn't shown anything amazing yet but who has? When we signed him he should have been our main striker or loaned out. Sitting on the bench getting a handful of minutes is bad business in terms of career progression and player value. This stinks of a player being frozen out because the current manager didn't sign him. 

But DCL, and then Niasse, played better than him. You can't play a guy just because he's a new signing. I don't buy that he or Klaassen didn't get chances. They did, and stood out for how poor they were in a very poor side. 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

What history? A handful of games with Barcelona, a decent season with Malaga? 

I'd rather he went out and found some confidence, and if it is a self-belief issue, then being a big fish in a little pond might work out well for him

could also be the sunny beaches and bikini clad women of Malaga over the cold dreary weather and women of liverpool.  location is everything matt.

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1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

could also be the sunny beaches and bikini clad women of Malaga over the cold dreary weather and fat women of liverpool.  location is everything matt.

You've clearly never been on a night out in Liverpool in the winter. The "clothes" the girls wear often make bikini clad women look overdressed ;)

And careful there matie, most of our mothers and sisters are from Liverpool :shakingfist: 

 

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3 minutes ago, Matt said:

You've clearly never been on a night out in Liverpool in the winter. The "clothes" the girls wear often make bikini clad women look overdressed ;)

And careful there matie, most of our mothers and sisters are from Liverpool :shakingfist: 

 

you married an american which probably backs up my statement even more :rofl:but you're right, i corrected the statement to remove "fat". 

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56 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

you married an american which probably backs up my statement even more :rofl:but you're right, i corrected the statement to remove "fat". 

:lol: 

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7 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I think he’d work well in a two with Tosun. 

Not that we’ll ever see it. 

Might've worked well in a 2 with DCL, it's just never going to happen. 4231 is the "new" 442

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1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

As much as I don't think  we should be moving on players that have only been here six months and not gotten a real crack at things, I certainly don't think being fourth choice behind DCL, Niasse, and Tosun is what will help him adapt. Only downside is that his confidence is not likely to be improved at Newcastle given their position in the table and how they play/don't create many chances.

Give Eddie Howe a ring, maybe Bournemouth would take him on loan.

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As much as I don't think  we should be moving on players that have only been here six months and not gotten a real crack at things, I certainly don't think being fourth choice behind DCL, Niasse, and Tosun is what will help him adapt. Only downside is that his confidence is not likely to be improved at Newcastle given their position in the table and how they play/don't create many chances.
Give Eddie Howe a ring, maybe Bournemouth would take him on loan.

The Newcastle that are only 5 points behind us and who create more chances than us?




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5 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

Give Eddie Howe a ring, maybe Bournemouth would take him on loan.

In King, Defoe, Wilson and Afobe they’ve arguably got better striking options than us so I can’t see that happening!

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1 hour ago, Newty82 said:

The move makes sense for him.

I hope he does well and comes back for another go.

There's something about him I like. I wouldn't give up on him yet.

Me too. He must have potential because it's Sevilla that's taking him, not Bury. Personally, though, I wish we'd used the rest of the season to bed him into the team.

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6 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Has the feeling of someone selling a £20k Mercedes for £8k thinking it's a great deal cos it doesn't drive right.... the next time you are out it burns past you at the lights. 

i have no doubt he will do well in spain eventually, could even do well here, just young and needs to play.

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46 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i have no doubt he will do well in spain eventually, could even do well here, just young and needs to play.

In the same way I think mangala will do very well here.  

A physically gifted, no nonsense bread and butter type player... good in the air and quick over the ground.  Man city are a complex team to play in defence for. 

We could be a good fit for each other. 

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4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

This statement really really annoys me: "The Blues were hopeful of Sandro settling in better after a full pre-season, with boss Sam Allardyce saying only a week ago: "There’s more players that don’t work in their first season than work. So contrary to what everybody thinks, players from abroad don’t work in the first season, they fail more than they succeed, that’s across the board and at every club.'"

Sorry to use this example, but does anyone remember when Suarez left Ajax to join Liverpool? Two days later, he's on the field and scoring. I can think of many similar examples. It's absolutely not true that it takes an entire season to adjust. We've just thrown away a potential diamond in the rough.

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37 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

This statement really really annoys me: "The Blues were hopeful of Sandro settling in better after a full pre-season, with boss Sam Allardyce saying only a week ago: "There’s more players that don’t work in their first season than work. So contrary to what everybody thinks, players from abroad don’t work in the first season, they fail more than they succeed, that’s across the board and at every club.'"

Sorry to use this example, but does anyone remember when Suarez left Ajax to join Liverpool? Two days later, he's on the field and scoring. I can think of many similar examples. It's absolutely not true that it takes an entire season to adjust. We've just thrown away a potential diamond in the rough.

Firstly we haven’t thrown anything away he’s still our player- secondly your darling Unsworth never played him nor did Koeman so how can this be on Allerdyce and lastly he’s trying to protect them- more players than not need time to adapt and very few hit the ground like Suarez. Those comments have nothing to do with Sandro situation.

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It's a bit concerning that after only a couple of weeks he's happy to stay there permanently. On it's own it's nothing to worry about but when you consider that Lookman was desperate to get out as well, it doesn't say anything good about the club at the moment. I can only assume that the atmosphere around the place isn'tt great.

That's not a slight on the current manager, but more of an observation on the whole club.

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54 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

It's a bit concerning that after only a couple of weeks he's happy to stay there permanently. On it's own it's nothing to worry about but when you consider that Lookman was desperate to get out as well, it doesn't say anything good about the club at the moment. I can only assume that the atmosphere around the place isn'ttt great.

That's not a slight on the current manager, but more of an observation on the whole club.

The creditable Spanish football journo Guillem Balague said that he was a bit of a prima donna/needed to feel special when we signed him. An obvious talent, but given some of his reputation, I'm not surprised that Sandro didn't really show the fight to hang around trying to adapt to a new league with a team that's struggling.

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6 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

The creditable Spanish football journo Guillem Balague said that he was a bit of a prima donna/needed to feel special when we signed him. An obvious talent, but given some of his reputation, I'm not surprised that Sandro didn't really show the fight to hang around trying to adapt to a new league with a team that's struggling.

But it's not just Sandro. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sam himself said that 5 players asked to go on loan that were part of the first-team.

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1 minute ago, tonkaroost said:

But it's not just Sandro. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sam himself said that 5 players asked to go on loan that were part of the first-team.

No. He said that offers came in for 5 first teamers whilst talking about having to play on transfer deadline day.

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2 minutes ago, tonkaroost said:

But it's not just Sandro. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sam himself said that 5 players asked to go on loan that were part of the first-team.

Sam did say that and it's a sign of a lot of things. The combination of us having a big squad with a lot of players barely or not seeing the pitch combined with low morale due to a poor season. 

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8 minutes ago, tonkaroost said:

But it's not just Sandro. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sam himself said that 5 players asked to go on loan that were part of the first-team.

 

6 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

No. He said that offers came in for 5 first teamers whilst talking about having to play on transfer deadline day.

We'll split it down the middle...he actually said the agents of 5 players were in touch on TDD to see if their players could go out on loan.

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55 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

nothing to see here guys, amazing recruitment, amazing management, amazing results, simply he wanted to go back to warm weather and be closer to his family

Are you being sarcastic :rolleyes:?

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1 hour ago, tonkaroost said:

Says something about our club. He'd rather sit on the bench there than ours. I think the Sandro/Klassen situations show where our club is at.

Says more about him in my opinion, not got the stomach for competition

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