Sandro Ramirez

[Shukes 2,967]

Well that was all a bit weird wasn’t it.

[markjazzbassist 2,240]

probably trying to maximize his time in the shop window.  paid 6m for him so we will make a profit.

[pete0 1,257]

Puts more pressure on red bull to stump up if they want Lookman. Annoying we've wasted 80 mins on him last night though, could've give someone else the opportunity. 

[Gwlad all over 274]

Maybe showing them he was match fit?

[chicagoblue 238]

Can't see how we can let Lookman go now.  Are there some promising U-21s in the shadows?

[duncanmckenzieismagic 4,315]

 

 

[Matt 6,135]

That’s gotta hurt

[Romey 1878 10,332]

18 minutes ago, Matt said:

That’s gotta hurt

His pride more than anything. 

[Romey 1878 10,332]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/real-sociedad-set-cut-short-15448505

[markjazzbassist 2,240]

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/real-sociedad-set-cut-short-15448505

Sounds like injuries have got the best of him.  I expect him to be sold come summer or maybe even January.  

[aaron 810]

3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Sounds like injuries have got the best of him.  I expect him to be sold come summer or maybe even January.  

The rate he's going it will likely be released on a free. Still cant get over that volleying the floor video me.

[Finn balor 1,455]

If he is on the reported 120k a week it’s got to be one of the worst buys in history 

[StevO 3,648]

23 hours ago, Finn balor said:

If he is on the reported 120k a week it’s got to be one of the worst buys in history 

Because he was so cheap at the time. Every signing is a risk, fortunately the risk with him is minimal due to the low finances involved, even with the big wage. 

[Finn balor 1,455]

I get what u mean but from what he has shown so far we may aswell give us all on here 120k on a rota basis 

[StevO 3,648]

12 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

I get what u mean but from what he has shown so far we may aswell give us all on here 120k on a rota basis 

I’d be more than happy with that! 

[Wiggytop 279]

I'm in 😜

[Palfy 1,504]

Not for me I pay enough tax as it is😜

[Aidan 1,287]

Rumour has it its another loan. 

[plaidharper 248]

Get it done Brands!

[Finn balor 1,455]

Nobody’s buying him 

[markjazzbassist 2,240]

this would be a good move.  they are a lower league side and are small, so he would be the focal point (like he was at Malaga) and should in theory get lots of game time.  He could have a decent year to bring his stock higher and get him sold next summer.  I'm fine with a loan, just get the wages off the books and hope he does well enough to be sold.

[Romey 1878 10,332]

1 hour ago, Aidan said:

Rumour has it its another loan. 

Sky reporting it’s for a permanent move. 

We live in hope. 

[markjazzbassist 2,240]

permanent?  that would be nice, even if we take a loss just get rid and clear the wages.  wow this could be a nice week

[Matt 6,135]

1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

permanent?  that would be nice, even if we take a loss just get rid and clear the wages.  wow this could be a nice week

We got him for £5.2m, right? 2 years wages saved would (4year deal at £13) would be like breaking even even on a free/nominal fee

[Aidan 1,287]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

We got him for £5.2m, right? 2 years wages saved would (4year deal at £13) would be like breaking even even on a free/nominal fee

Was thinking about this. Does he hold his value? Does it go up? Does it go down? I'd be happy to recoup the 5 we spent on him just to get him off the wage bill and cut our losses and I think those interest in buying will see that. 

[Cisk 20]

Be happy to just get rid for free and save the wages. Done nothing for us.

Not sure I like the sound of us being linked to more Spanish strikers either this window

[Aidan 1,287]

 

 

Loan. 

[London Blue 1,482]

At least a large part of his wages will be of the books for a season and he gets another chance to impress and find a new home.

[Palfy 1,504]

2 minutes ago, Aidan said:

 

 

Loan. 

And I bet we are paying a majority of his wages. 

[markjazzbassist 2,240]

1 minute ago, London Blue said:

At least a large part of his wages will be of the books for a season and he gets another chance to impress and find a new home.

this for me, if he's healthy let's hope he does well and finally is sold.

[Aidan 1,287]

Walsh really did set this squad back 4 years. 

[London Blue 1,482]

Just now, Aidan said:

Walsh really did set this squad back 4 years. 

Walsh was promoted above his ability, way, way above his ability.

 

[Romey 1878 10,332]

26 minutes ago, London Blue said:

At least a large part of his wages will be of the books for a season and he gets another chance to impress and find a new home.

He’ll be loaned out until his contract is up. No way we’ll get anyone to buy him unless he has a freak season. 

[London Blue 1,482]

4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He’ll be loaned out until his contract is up. No way we’ll get anyone to buy him unless he has a freak season. 

True, as long as his wages (or event most of them) are paid by someone else until he goes then that's a win for us, given his lack of success anywhere since he signed for us.

[StevO 3,648]

I’m sure we are getting fees for these loans, I’m sure over a few years we’ll easily get the £5m back. Not sure about wages though, he earns a lot!

[Finn balor 1,455]

£70k apparently 

[Finn balor 1,455]

Just want Walsh to turn up at united 

[pete0 1,257]

16 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

£70k apparently 

That's probably after tax. He'll be closer to £130k, yikes 😬

[StevO 3,648]

2 minutes ago, pete0 said:

That's probably after tax. He'll be closer to £130k, yikes 😬

Yeah, I thought I’d read £125k. 

[Haiku 245]

Yeah, he's on £120k until 2023. So is Schneiderlin, albeit has 2 years less on his contract. I can see them both running down their contracts. It's becoming a norm due to skyrocketing transfer fees and salaries, utter madness.

[nutmegwolf203 95]

It's unfortunate that he's kept the number 9 shirt hostage for three seasons.

[StevO 3,648]

1 hour ago, nutmegwolf203 said:

It's unfortunate that he's kept the number 9 shirt hostage for three seasons.

I think if they had anyone they wanted to give it to they would have. 

Mirallas had the 11 when Walcott signed, then he had 8 when Gomes signed. Maybe they just don’t like Kev. 😂

[Btay 910]

3 hours ago, nutmegwolf203 said:

It's unfortunate that he's kept the number 9 shirt hostage for three seasons.

On that note - I’d like to see Dom step and take the 9 shirt. Really state that he thinks he’s the man for the job.

[nutmegwolf203 95]

10 hours ago, Btay said:

On that note - I’d like to see Dom step and take the 9 shirt. Really state that he thinks he’s the man for the job.

Agreed. Been thinking that for a while. 

[Aidan 1,287]

Would prefer to see a proper cf take the 9 shirt

[Palfy 1,504]

Would giving anyone a shirt number make them a better player I’m not so sure, although I do realise that certain numbers in a team do hold a prestige status which could give a player a shot of confidence for a short period, but ultimately you have to be able to do your job no matter what number is on your back. 

Strikers need to score CB’s need to defend and CM’s need to dominate the middle, and whether your wearing 4,7 or 9 won’t make you any better than if you were wearing 14,17 or 19.

So for DCL to really cement his place In the team he needs to score goals regardless of what number he is wearing. 

[Shukes 2,967]

Having a number does make a difference, or rather it did to me, and does to the children I coach.

It motivates you to perform if your following the tradition of Everton centre forwards. Or again... it would motivate me. A bit like giving certain players the captains armband.

I know on a kids level, they go back and research players in their favourite team.

[Palfy 1,504]

I have if you read it said it could give you a shot of confidence or as you said motivates but if your not good enough the number doesn’t make you better in the long term or the short term as Sandro showed. 

[StevO 3,648]

It’s just an ego thing really. 

[Btay 910]

3 hours ago, StevO said:

It’s just an ego thing really. 

Just the self belief and maybe the moment where he thinks he’s stopped being a promising kid and believes in himself as the man.

[StevO 3,648]

17 minutes ago, Btay said:

Just the self belief and maybe the moment where he thinks he’s stopped being a promising kid and believes in himself as the man.

Wouldn’t disagree with that either. 

Hoping Tom Davies does that and takes the number 6 shirt. 

[Shukes 2,967]

8 hours ago, Palfy said:

I have if you read it said it could give you a shot of confidence or as you said motivates but if your not good enough the number doesn’t make you better in the long term or the short term as Sandro showed. 

I don’t disagree that if your not good enough, it won’t change that. 

I just think it can motivate players to put that extra % in. I know when I was first made captain of our team, it motivated me to be a better person on the pitch. This mentality transferred into my play, and I became useless!

Which was a step above what I was previously.

[MikeO 10,572]

23 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I don’t disagree that if your not good enough, it won’t change that. 

I just think it can motivate players to put that extra % in. I know when I was first made captain of our team, it motivated me to be a better person on the pitch. This mentality transferred into my play, and I became useless!

Which was a step above what I was previously.

So much about probably all sports is in the head (as is much in life, eg placebo effect in medicine); I know for example that from way back when I was playing a couple of sports at a relatively high level that my performance was always raised when I was playing someone or was in a field where I was the perceived underdog: I won matches/placed higher than my level of ability gave me any chance of doing many times. Human nature for most I think.

[Shukes 2,967]

4 minutes ago, MikeO said:

So much about probably all sports is in the head (as is much in life, eg placebo effect in medicine); I know for example that from way back when I was playing a couple of sports at a relatively high level that my performance was always raised when I was playing someone or was in a field where I was the perceived underdog: I won matches/placed higher than my level of ability gave me any chance of doing many times. Human nature for most I think.

Great term was... being brought down to their level. 

We always knew when playing a lower level team that we had to be really on our game, or you would play to their level. Really easy to do and also works the opposite way.

[MikeO 10,572]

1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Great term was... being brought down to their level. 

We always knew when playing a lower level team that we had to be really on our game, or you would play to their level. Really easy to do and also works the opposite way.

For some but not for me, if I was playing someone I knew was below me I made a point of starting really hard and letting them know they were out of their depth. I was a ruthless sod.

My best story about "raising my game" was in a Table Tennis tournament in Surrey; it was a pairs format thing where each member of the team played the other at singles and then finished up with a doubles match. Got to the quarter finals, was playing with my brother and the local press arrived. The massive favourites who'd won it for the last three or four years were just starting their quarter and the organisers ushered the photographer to them and he took some pictures and then immediately pissed off, because he had his photo of the winners.

They won their quarter as did we and then we played them in the semi and didn't just beat them, we annihilated them, full five-a-side footie size hall, one table in the middle, maybe 100/150 people watching; such a good feeling 'cos they were arrogant bastards. We duly won the final.

Local paper came out a few days later (I still have a copy in the attic somewhere) with their picture on the back page and the headline, "Having a Smashing Time" but then the article said something like, "...holders and favourites x and x at tournament y at the week-end but they lost out this year to brothers Mike and xxxx O who won the...". Was a far better feeling than having my mugshot there.

[Palfy 1,504]

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

I don’t disagree that if your not good enough, it won’t change that. 

I just think it can motivate players to put that extra % in. I know when I was first made captain of our team, it motivated me to be a better person on the pitch. This mentality transferred into my play, and I became useless!

Which was a step above what I was previously.

😂👍

[Palfy 1,504]

17 minutes ago, MikeO said:

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

Great term was... being brought down to their level. 

We always knew when playing a lower level team that we had to be really on our game, or you would play to their level. Really easy to do and also works the opposite way.

For some but not for me, if I was playing someone I knew was below me I made a point of starting really hard and letting them know they were out of their depth. I was a ruthless sod.

I know Tiddlywinks can be very competitive but I didn’t realise it was so ruthless 😜

[Shukes 2,967]

MikeO that’s brilliant. I am ultra competitive even at my age haha. 

My missus Anna knows never ever to say things like... it’s only a game! She knows there will be a massive lecture coming. She does it in jest, and knows my lecture is a little banter. But she also knows that I do mean it at the same time haha.

I played a friends team once and scored two goals in the first five minutes. My best friend was my manager at the time, and knew if I got a hat trick he wouldn’t here the end of it... so put me back at left back. I waited for my opportunity and from the oppositions corner, ran the whole length of the files to smash my hat trick in. (This was amateur footy by the way haha) we ended up winning the match 26-0 which was a local record. A school friend, who I’m still friends with now was manager of the opposition. No favours once you cross that white line.