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It's less than a year away, so I thought it might be a good idea to have somewhere to discuss topics related to it.

In my FaceBook feed this morning was a link to this article. I'm not sure I'd want to be sitting in those temporary stands. They rather remind me of seats positioned on the tops of houses overlooking Wrigley Field in Chicago, except the view in this case will be much worse.

https://sports.good.is/articles/russian-stadium-response

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1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

Based on their current level of play, even without Gareth Bale, Wales are a much better team than England.

Not going to have a chance of showing it sadly.

Other news...

"What an effort from Iceland. The smallest ever nation in terms of population to reach the World Cup finals!"

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32 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Yes. What a heartbreaker for Wales. Ashley Williams gave away the ball and then left a man completely unmarked. He's not the same player he was a year ago.

why did the ball go to him in the first place? :dontknow:

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Shame Wales won't be there, fun team to watch.  Although I wasn't looking forward to possibly facing them again.

I'm really glad Egypt managed to qualify for the first time since 1990.  Egyptians are crazy about their football; close to a 100.000 people in attendance for their last game against Congo.

The Dutch are staying home, again.  :D 

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Syria have taken Oz to extra time in the second leg of their play-off (both games 1-1, TC scored). On here if anyone fancies watching (it's region restricted so I'm not sure who'll be able to see it but it's OK in the UK).

 

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13 hours ago, rubecula said:

why did the ball go to him in the first place? :dontknow:

the keeper made the initial error but seriously... he was very very poor for the cross.  He let the man get to the bi-line and pick his target

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45 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Syria have taken Oz to extra time in the second leg of their play-off (both games 1-1, TC scored). On here if anyone fancies watching (it's region restricted so I'm not sure who'll be able to see it but it's OK in the UK).

 

great stuff Mike  any idea who they play next yet?

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36 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

4th place CONCACAF team, so the U.S., Panama, or Honduras.

as shit as the US has been i would not want to play australia.  instant loss due to travel away, at home who knows what team/manager show up.  i've never been more disinterested in the US national team than i am now (coming from the guy who regularly posted in the US thread on here).  they got rid of JK and replaced him with a re-tread, the players are getting worse, he brings in the same old workhorses.  no style, no substance, just huff and puff and hope the 18 year old wonderboy wins it.

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18 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

as shit as the US has been i would not want to play australia.  instant loss due to travel away, at home who knows what team/manager show up.  i've never been more disinterested in the US national team than i am now (coming from the guy who regularly posted in the US thread on here).  they got rid of JK and replaced him with a re-tread, the players are getting worse, he brings in the same old workhorses.  no style, no substance, just huff and puff and hope the 18 year old wonderboy wins it.

Yeah, While the U.S. is much more accustomed to crazy travel schedules in CONCACAF, nothing comes close to what some of the Asian nations have to do in short international breaks.

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I hate to say it, but I've become a little disinterested in it as well. We just aren't that exciting to watch. I miss the Bob Bradley days and still think he was let go to soon. We need a Pochettino-type coach to get the most out our team. Our player pool isn't even that bad with Pulisic, Wood, Brooks, Yedlin, F. Johnson, Cameron, and even Ariola. There's still a decent player in Bradley and Altidore too. On paper, we should be killing it in CONCACAF.

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8 minutes ago, tonkaroost said:

I hate to say it, but I've become a little disinterested in it as well. We just aren't that exciting to watch. I miss the Bob Bradley days and still think he was let go to soon. We need a Pochettino-type coach to get the most out our team. Our player pool isn't even that bad with Pulisic, Wood, Brooks, Yedlin, F. Johnson, Cameron, and even Ariola. There's still a decent player in Bradley and Altidore too. On paper, we should be killing it in CONCACAF.

yeah the talent is there, they just need to clean out the dead wood.  beasley?  FFS let him go already and get a young LB in there.  Bring Garza back or something.  Bradley needs to be jettisoned as well.  Truth is i think the problem is Sunil Gulati, he just doesn't care/know enough.  Get a proper football person in there who knows the sport (not economics) and try and grow the sport.

 

i read an article on iceland, population 350,000 who qualified.  every single coach in their country has an equivalent of the USSF A coaching license.  Under 6 managers could coach professionally.  That's how serious they take it.  Here in the states its my fucking fat neighbor coaching the team and he just discovered the sport because his son wants to play.  it's a joke.

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6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

The US won't be at the World Cup.  Never should have fired klinnsman.  Arena is a joke.  Oh well.  Wonder boy will have to wait till he's 22 to play in one.  

wow absolutely unbelievable US didn't qualify looking at the other teams in CONCACAF.

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

Panama's winner shouldn't have been given though; not even close to crossing the line and it came off the bloke's arm anyway, dreadful.

 

doesn't matter, it shouldn't have come down to someone else having to win for us to be in.  too many bad results to crappy teams.

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Spain is not going to be group leader.. more than likely they will be in "group of death".  (Germany, Spain, Croatia, Japan is possible for example)

Good news for England though, they wont face Spain or Italy in group stage.  Russia, England, Tunisia, Panama would be one of easiest draws.

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3 hours ago, Quinn31 said:

Huge blow to the sport in America.

This is my great concern.  Real football — the one where all the players use their feet to kick the ball — has been booming in popularity.  Despite the mediocrity of the MLS, fans in many of its franchise cities are wildly enthusiastic.  A number of new stadiums.

Not clear to me how this totally deflating embarrassment will play out over the next few years, especially since Americans must look to Olympics and 2022 in ...... Qatar.

My own enthusiasm for the 2018 WC isn’t diminished, but for those many who are really still learning the game, its rules and nuances, its history and rivalries, teams and players, I don’t know......

Still hope Qatar decision is reviewed.

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In my opinion the manager is already in the US to hire.  Tata Martino.  Barca, Argentina, Paraguay, now Atlanta FC.  They are an expansion team with players given to them (castoffs) from the other teams.  He assembled them with some signings adn they're in the playoffs, first year in the league.  Exciting attacking football, a biesla disciple (yes i know i'm a fanatic), and has national team experience managing both Paraguay and Argentina.  Sign him up and get us playing attractive football for once in a proper system.

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

In my opinion the manager is already in the US to hire.  Tata Martino.  Barca, Argentina, Paraguay, now Atlanta FC.  They are an expansion team with players given to them (castoffs) from the other teams.  He assembled them with some signings adn they're in the playoffs, first year in the league.  Exciting attacking football, a biesla disciple (yes i know i'm a fanatic), and has national team experience managing both Paraguay and Argentina.  Sign him up and get us playing attractive football for once in a proper system.

Martino has a team, but I hear David Moyes is available.

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26 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

In my opinion the manager is already in the US to hire.  Tata Martino.  Barca, Argentina, Paraguay, now Atlanta FC.  They are an expansion team with players given to them (castoffs) from the other teams.  He assembled them with some signings adn they're in the playoffs, first year in the league.  Exciting attacking football, a biesla disciple (yes i know i'm a fanatic), and has national team experience managing both Paraguay and Argentina.  Sign him up and get us playing attractive football for once in a proper system.

Will never happen, if for no other reason he doesn't speak the language well enough. I'm saying it should come down to that, but it wouldn't surprise me. But being an Atlanta United fan, and having been to a few games...hell yes!

My actual biggest concern is what Elston Gunnn said - losing that once per 4 year window to really make the US stand up and notice "soccer". 2014 brought a flood of new fans and we're not going to get that this go around. If the US Soccer Federation doesn't burn it to the ground and rebuild it - like from youth development on up, then we should just say fuck it all.

 

So I need a judge's ruling here. My fam lived in England until sometime in the mid-late 1700's, so can I be an England fan in 2018? Or, are y'all gonna make me pull for Iceland or Japan or something?

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5 hours ago, Quinn31 said:

Fuck off. Disgraceful. Huge blow to the sport in America.

Yeah, the T&T match isn't the bigger issue, it runs much deeper. We have had what 3 years that we could have qualified? It should not come down to the last match, or getting CONCACAF'ed by sketchy calls in other results.

That being said, with the sheer resources this nation has - player base as well as financial and infrastructure - losing to country that is basically 1.3 million people on a few Caribbean islands is mind blowing. We lost to what would rank 40th if it was a US metro area. Right between Milwaukee and Jacksonville...And yes Iceland would beat us 5-0, but that's beside the point!

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6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

In my opinion the manager is already in the US to hire.  Tata Martino.  Barca, Argentina, Paraguay, now Atlanta FC.  They are an expansion team with players given to them (castoffs) from the other teams.  He assembled them with some signings adn they're in the playoffs, first year in the league.  Exciting attacking football, a biesla disciple (yes i know i'm a fanatic), and has national team experience managing both Paraguay and Argentina.  Sign him up and get us playing attractive football for once in a proper system.

Atlanta United has had a fantastic season. Every game has been sold out. When the new football stadium was complete, they moved games there (with a capacity of 70,000) and still were sold out. As you point out, they've made the play-offs in their first season. That has to say something about the calibre of their manager.

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8 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Atlanta United has had a fantastic season. Every game has been sold out. When the new football stadium was complete, they moved games there (with a capacity of 70,000) and still were sold out. As you point out, they've made the play-offs in their first season. That has to say something about the calibre of their manager.

Screw the US having him, send him over here; not for England but for Everton:D.

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25 minutes ago, holystove said:

final four Uefa spots : sweden - italy; denmark - ireland; croatia - greece; NI - switzerland

I expect (and hope) Italy, Ireland, Croatia and Switzerland will go to Russia.

I hope Sweden, NI, ROI and Greece but I'll be lucky to get one from the four.

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Just now, holystove said:

Greece?  Horrible team to watch, extremely defensive.

I know; dreadful watch. But I'm a Grecophile and have many friends there, visit often so I have a soft spot:).

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2 hours ago, holystove said:

final four Uefa spots : sweden - italy; denmark - ireland; croatia - greece; NI - switzerland

I expect (and hope) Italy, Ireland, Croatia and Switzerland will go to Russia.

Give me ROI, NI, Croatia, Sweden.

Am not rooting against Denmark, but Italy wasted 2010 and 2014, Greece plays horrible football, NI would be too good of a story (don't wish ill on Switzerland)...

 

But who cares, the U.S. won't be there, so this tournament can go to hell anyways.

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1 hour ago, rubecula said:

not sure if the greek fans care about the style they play they have won the euro before now,  but no home nation has.

I'm sure they don't.  But every neutral that watches Greece vs X, is most likely going to be supporting X because of Greece style of play.

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48 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Well done Sweden; put Italy out!

Happy to see Sweden in and Italy out after underachieving in 2010 and 2014. Absolutely hate it for Gigi Buffon though. Top class man and professional - perfect example for any fan or aspiring football player on how to act.

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19 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

USA and Italy both out.  I guess they would be the “big” sides not to make it.  Last of the qualifiers are austrailia Honduras and Peru New Zealand.  I think Peru and the aussies will prevail.

I have a bad feeling we’ll boss Honduras at home, won’t finish our chances and go out 1 - 0 to a goal on the counter. It’s what we’ve been doing all during qualifiers. 

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36 minutes ago, Vranny said:

I have a bad feeling we’ll boss Honduras at home, won’t finish our chances and go out 1 - 0 to a goal on the counter. It’s what we’ve been doing all during qualifiers. 

honduras have pace but not great defending.  not to mention the flight alone with mess with their players so much.  you have a strong advantage at home.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

honduras have pace but not great defending.  not to mention the flight alone with mess with their players so much.  you have a strong advantage at home.

Yeah, it’s definitely to our advantage with only a game at home left, but their pace worries me and we pack a natural finisher these days to put our chances. 

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10 hours ago, MikeO said:

Well done Sweden; put Italy out!

Only seen the highlights but seems Italy were robbed by the ref.

I thought Italy were very impressive in the EC 2016, shame they won't be in Russia.

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Italy had 2 clear penalty shouts but so did Sweden. Sweden outplayed Italy in the first leg and Italy crushed Sweden in the second but had very few clear chances. Id say that Sweden parked the bus and took care of the Italians. 

Italy were shockingly bad in the first leg and ineffective in the second leg and Sweden fully deserved the world cup spot. Remember they did also knock out the Netherlands in the group stage of the quals. 

Sweden has very little flair in the team these days, there is no Ljungberg, no Zlatan, no Brolin, no Limpar etc (only flair player is Forsberg and he had a field day against Italy in the first leg) but Sweden are back to being a very effective no bs team. Same as they were in the early 90s when they came third in the world cup and went far in the euros. 

Sweden also won the U21 Euros not long ago and those players are starting to make a mark on the senior squad. 

 

My question to you guys, are you really shocked about the results last night? Most people on SoMe seem genuinely shocked that Sweden knocked out Italy but I'm not. Italy have been poor lately and Sweden are a good team.  

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18 minutes ago, Peter H said:

My question to you guys, are you really shocked about the results last night?

No not surprised; I don't watch much international football but I knew Italy were in a mess at the moment.

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2 hours ago, Peter H said:

My question to you guys, are you really shocked about the results last night? Most people on SoMe seem genuinely shocked that Sweden knocked out Italy but I'm not. Italy have been poor lately and Sweden are a good team.  

Not shocked at all. You have and have had many talented players on the swedish national team. Grattis, Peter H och Sverige.

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13 minutes ago, Sev said:

Not shocked at all. You have and have had many talented players on the swedish national team. Grattis, Peter H och Sverige.

Thx Sev, rooting for Denmark tonight. (Sorry RoI fans) We need more nordic countries in the world cup and the Danish supporters are awesome. So are the Irish, will never forget the swedish vs Irish fans in the euros, (the swedish chants of "go home, to your ugly wifes and the irish responded with "your shit, but your girls are fit")

Id be happy to see Ireland go through to but Ieaning towards Denmark

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From a football-wieving point, I'd personally like to see Ireland go through. To be honest; I havn't really seen any good football from Denmarks side for many years. Damn shame the Laudrup-kids didn't seem to have the motivation/talent to progress.

On the other side I have had many good laughs with my younger brother when Denmark played. So if not playing good then at least they usually do something entertaining/clownish.

Hopefully tonights match will be entertaining and dramatic.

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16 hours ago, Quinn31 said:

Happy to see Sweden in and Italy out after underachieving in 2010 and 2014. Absolutely hate it for Gigi Buffon though. Top class man and professional - perfect example for any fan or aspiring football player on how to act.

I'd rather see Italy in just because of Buffon, but if Zlatan was still playing for Sweden I'd be ecstatic. He's one of my all-time favorites.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

Italy are in for a moment like Germany had in the early 2000s.  They will revamp and be better.

The Italian aptitude for planning and problem-solving isn't quite up to the level of the Germans (Understatement). Interesting to see how they respond

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