Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Bill

David Unsworth

Recommended Posts

Thought that since he will be our manager for an unknown length of time he deserves a thread of his own.

I like the way he is and I'm sure he will get lots of respect from the players.  With Chelsea, Lyon, and fellow strugglers Leicester as his baptism, I think it could have been a better time for him if Koemans stayed for the Chelsea game.

But anyway, welcome David I wish you lots of luck in your new venture.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I recall the first time I became aware of Unsworth - I had some sort of footy annual as a kid, he was interviewed as a 15/16 year old..... I recall him looking 20 not a teenager.

Around 1994-1996 I thought he was absolutely superb.... I remember him out muscling John Fashanu on his first game for Villa, Fashanu was full of praise for him.... I recall him making Mark Hughes lose his rag and stamp on him....

He did a complete U Turn from villa to join Everton - was about to sign for them, as soon as he knew we were interested he told the manager "I want Everton".

 

True blue.... Good luck Unsy

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

Going off the presser I think he's got a very good chance of taking the role until the end of the season, performance dependant 

Missed it; hopefully be on EvertonTV soon. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Chach said:

 

 

Absolutely chalk and cheese. Doesn't want to single anyone out, absolutely showers Ross with love (and actually sounded positive about him signing if he remained), he sounds like he has a very clear way of how he wants to play and wants to stamp his authority on the side. Every other word was win, there will be no sitting back and getting our arses handed to us. If we do get stuffed, it wont be for the want of trying.

 

A lot has been made of Bainesy and his age and his legs but if he plays under Unsworth I am confident we will see him bombing up and down that touchline once again.

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, Bailey said:

 

Absolutely chalk and cheese. Doesn't want to single anyone out, absolutely showers Ross with love (and actually sounded positive about him signing if he remained), he sounds like he has a very clear way of how he wants to play and wants to stamp his authority on the side. Every other word was win, there will be no sitting back and getting our arses handed to us. If we do get stuffed, it wont be for the want of trying.

 

A lot has been made of Bainesy and his age and his legs but if he plays under Unsworth I am confident we will see him bombing up and down that touchline once again.

 

 

 

 

He's done what he's done in the U23s by being very clear about how he wants to play, organising his sides properly, and going out to win football matches. Different level but a sound philosophy. I really hope he smashes it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I have already wondered whether Unsy would consider getting Dowell back in from loan but the last thing we need is another number 10!

I don’t really get the clamour for Dowell tbh. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Some kids can come in and mix it at a young age, like Tom Davies. Others need a bit more time to develop. Dowell is one of those players

So the clamour for him is a bit misplaced then. He’s where he needs to be right now, playing regular first-team football. It’d be stupid to bring him back. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

So the clamour for him is a bit misplaced then. He’s where he needs to be right now, playing regular first-team football. It’d be stupid to bring him back. 

I only thought it because Unsworth is a big admirer of him and if there was an opening he would more than likely bring him back (but there isnt - and I wasnt suggesting he should).

Dowell does look as though he has that eye for a pass not many others do. He plays more like he is Spanish than English. Physically he is nothing special so he just needs to mature a bit, so like you say, he is in the right place for now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yea. Dowell is on loan at a good club. They rave over him in the same way that Blackpool fans raved over Coleman.

He can get a full season playing first team football, develop physically and due to his particular position just get a bit more experience to hone his skills.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I only thought it because Unsworth is a big admirer of him and if there was an opening he would more than likely bring him back (but there isnt - and I wasnt suggesting he should).

Dowell does look as though he has that eye for a pass not many others do. He plays more like he is Spanish than English. Physically he is nothing special so he just needs to mature a bit, so like you say, he is in the right place for now.

I know you weren’t saying he should be brought back, but plenty have and others that he shouldn’t have been loaned out in the first place. I couldn’t disagree more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

I know you weren’t saying he should be brought back, but plenty have and others that he shouldn’t have been loaned out in the first place. I couldn’t disagree more.

No he definitely needed to be playing week in week out and he wasnt going to be doing that here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Back to Unsworth :lol: I do absolutely love his attitude - I’ve said it before but his whole ethos is to win, nothing less. And that is something I can totally get behind. And you get the impression that players love to play for him, that they’d run through brick walls him because he’d ask them to do nothing he wasn’t willing to do himself for this club.

i don’t know if he’s the long-term answer for us but I’m more than happy for him to come in temporarily. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My choice would be Tuchel at the moment just because he's shown he can manage at a high level; however, how great would it be for Unsworth to go on a tear and prove that he, a true blue, is really ready for it?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, tonkaroost said:

My choice would be Tuchel at the moment just because he's shown he can manage at a high level; however, how great would it be for Unsworth to go on a tear and prove that he, a true blue, is really ready for it?

Well Tuchel isn’t ruling himself out according to SSN. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Liked unsworth as a player. Wasn’t the greatest player but give you 100% every week and I think he will Instill that into the players. Koeman I don’t think ever got us a club, Martinez did more but going off what osman says about Martinez giving mirrallas a free licence not to track back etc you can’t allow passengers in your side. I hope he does the business and gets the job. If the right man isn’t available then just let him carry on with the job long term. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Liked unsworth as a player. Wasn’t the greatest player but give you 100% every week and I think he will Instill that into the players. Koeman I don’t think ever got us a club, Martinez did more but going off what osman says about Martinez giving mirrallas a free licence not to track back etc you can’t allow passengers in your side. I hope he does the business and gets the job. If the right man isn’t available then just let him carry on with the job long term. 

Martinez did that to leave a 1 v 1 against the full back and an instant outlet. It's one of the things that won him the FA Cup as McManaman skinned the left back all game. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Bailey said:

I have already wondered whether Unsy would consider getting Dowell back in from loan but the last thing we need is another number 10!

Was thinking this driving home today! It's a shame we have so many Dowell looks the dogs bollocks.

As for Unsy, im very happy he is in temporarily and hope he does well and makes the role his own, But if he does it means we have to back him I  January to bring in a striker, placing lots of money in his hands. Koeman had already pissed loads of it up the wall and I'm sure the board will be cautious.

Best of luck rhino. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just watched the press conference, thought he spoke really well, composed and talked about "us, the team, we" is what we need just now a leader who is a true team player. I really hope he does well,  as fans we need to get behind the team, particularly at Goodison, on Sunday it felt as we were resigned to getting battered once again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Bailey said:

Martinez did that to leave a 1 v 1 against the full back and an instant outlet. It's one of the things that won him the FA Cup as McManaman skinned the left back all game. 

Your talking about Wigan now, it didn’t have any success at our place did it? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Your talking about Wigan now, it didn’t have any success at our place did it? 

Yeh it did at times. He tried getting Geri or Mirallas isolated and prepared to take on their man but the quality of ball across was generally the problem. Someone on here used to moan all the time that x player wasnt coming back

 

The most memorable example for us is the Arsenal game where Lukaku played wide against the full back. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Mirallas played his best game for us I can remember last time Unsy was in charge.

hope we give this a go, best chance at Europe next year 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A total class act. I love this guy already - he already seems to hold the honor and integrity that this club deserves, and that is something RK never had. The difference is 180. I know we are all looking at the big names we should be trying to get it, but if this bloke happens to be the right fit, then so be it. I wish him nothing but 100% success on whatever the length of his tenure. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Feeling positive for the first time in a while. I really want Unsworth to smash it and get the job. If you look at Tuchels history he started as a youth manager before being promoted to first team management at Mainz where he spent a year or two before going onto Dortmund for a year or two. He has had success but there's no reason why we shouldn't believe that Unsworth or similar will make the transition successfully. Tuchel has the reputation because he was given the opportunity to step up from the u-23s team. Let's all get behind Unsworth and stop[ worrying about which 'big-name' manager we hope for! 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I recall feeling underwhelmed when we first got Joe Royle..... yet he's the second best manager we have had in my lifetime after Kendall. 

What he achieved with that squad he inherited can never be underestimated - we were completely rudderless and heading for the drop.  He essentially made each and every one of them play for the shirt....  his Everton side was a joy to watch.

I think Unsworth can have the same impact - he knows what we are about.... he's a fan.... he loves us.... he ran through walls for us. 

Yeah I would be excited about a Tuchel coming in but no one will be able to impact the players in an Everton way more than Unsy. 

Those of you who think I'm negative or critical of certain things - weigh them up:-

 

Phil Neville:- downplaying us.... Top 7 is a great finish for a club like Everton

Moyes:- Penknives to gunfights.... never having a go at the top teams away from home

Lukaku:- wanting to play for a "big club" from the get-go of his everton career

Koeman:- going on holiday instead of signing his contract - talking himself as a barca manager, telling press lukaku needs to be at a bigger club

Kenwright:- Overseeing a period of the club being used as a cash vehicle for Phillip Green, kings dock, NFL, Firtress fund, Kirby,

Elstone:- worst CEO ive seen.  Kitbag, chang. kirby

 

Everton should be sat at the top table - we are still a big club and always have been..... people who tell me otherwise or operate us otherwise rile me...

 

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Moyes was a much better manager than Royle for us- granted no trophies but he took us from seeious relegation candidates to CL qualification on no budget at all- he tatted out on us in the end but that doesn’t hide what he done for this club.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, Paddock said:

Moyes was a much better manager than Royle for us- granted no trophies but he took us from seeious relegation candidates to CL qualification on no budget at all- he tatted out on us in the end but that doesn’t hide what he done for this club.

The problem Moyes has is that he just stayed around too long and that tainted his legacy. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, hafnia said:

I recall feeling underwhelmed when we first got Joe Royle..... yet he's the second best manager we have had in my lifetime after Kendall. 

What he achieved with that squad he inherited can never be underestimated - we were completely rudderless and heading for the drop.  He essentially made each and every one of them play for the shirt....  his Everton side was a joy to watch.

I think Unsworth can have the same impact - he knows what we are about.... he's a fan.... he loves us.... he ran through walls for us. 

Yeah I would be excited about a Tuchel coming in but no one will be able to impact the players in an Everton way more than Unsy. 

Those of you who think I'm negative or critical of certain things - weigh them up:-

 

Phil Neville:- downplaying us.... Top 7 is a great finish for a club like Everton

Moyes:- Penknives to gunfights.... never having a go at the top teams away from home

Lukaku:- wanting to play for a "big club" from the get-go of his everton career

Koeman:- going on holiday instead of signing his contract - talking himself as a barca manager, telling press lukaku needs to be at a bigger club

Kenwright:- Overseeing a period of the club being used as a cash vehicle for Phillip Green, kings dock, NFL, Firtress fund, Kirby,

Elstone:- worst CEO ive seen.  Kitbag, chang. kirby

 

Everton should be sat at the top table - we are still a big club and always have been..... people who tell me otherwise or operate us otherwise rile me...

 

 

 

 

 

Arsenal: 354m pounds in revenue for 2015-2016 (3rd)

Chelsea: 335m pounds in revenue (4th)

Liverpool: 302m pounds in revenue (5th)

Manchester City: 392m pounds (2nd)

Manchester United: 515m pounds (1st)

Spurs: 210m pounds (6th) (and this will climb with their new stadium)

 

Everton: 122m pounds (11th highest in the league)

Sunderland: 108m pounds

Bournemouth: 88m pounds (Lowest)

 

Haf, we are much closer to bottom than we are to Spurs in the financial power of the club, at least per May 2016. We have a large and passionate fanbase, great history, but realistically we can't compete financially with the biggest clubs barring major changes. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

Arsenal: 354m pounds in revenue for 2015-2016 (3rd)

Chelsea: 335m pounds in revenue (4th)

Liverpool: 302m pounds in revenue (5th)

Manchester City: 392m pounds (2nd)

Manchester United: 515m pounds (1st)

Spurs: 210m pounds (6th) (and this will climb with their new stadium)

 

Everton: 122m pounds (11th highest in the league)

Sunderland: 108m pounds

Bournemouth: 88m pounds (Lowest)

 

Haf, we are much closer to bottom than we are to Spurs in the financial power of the club, at least per May 2016. We have a large and passionate fanbase, great history, but realistically we can't compete financially with the biggest clubs barring major changes. 

 

If we only had £5.99 in our bank account we would still be bigger than 3 of those teams...

Everton is royalty....  pioneered much of what is seen in the modern game, won more than most of the other teams could dream about.

Unfortunately you are subscribing to the financial part of it all.... that's not even scratching the surface. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, hafnia said:

If we only had £5.99 in our bank account we would still be bigger than 3 of those teams...

Everton is royalty....  pioneered much of what is seen in the modern game, won more than most of the other teams could dream about.

Unfortunately you are subscribing to the financial part of it all.... that's not even scratching the surface. 

 

I get your point that we are bigger historically/have more history than Spurs, Man City, Chelsea, but that is not what pays transfer fees and players wages. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

Arsenal: 354m pounds in revenue for 2015-2016 (3rd)

Chelsea: 335m pounds in revenue (4th)

Liverpool: 302m pounds in revenue (5th)

Manchester City: 392m pounds (2nd)

Manchester United: 515m pounds (1st)

Spurs: 210m pounds (6th) (and this will climb with their new stadium)

 

Everton: 122m pounds (11th highest in the league)

Sunderland: 108m pounds

Bournemouth: 88m pounds (Lowest)

 

Haf, we are much closer to bottom than we are to Spurs in the financial power of the club, at least per May 2016. We have a large and passionate fanbase, great history, but realistically we can't compete financially with the biggest clubs barring major changes. 

 

Finances do not make you a big club, history and success do

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Matt said:

Finances do not make you a big club, history and success do

Agreed, but finances do play a big part in determining your league position. 

 

Maybe I'm missing the point and that praising ourselves and calling ourselves a big club has less to do with on the pitch expectations as it does just stroking our own egos. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Matt said:

Finances do not make you a big club, history and success do

the only people that feel that way are evertonians or fans of other "big" clubs that have fallen by the wayside (villa).  soton, stoke, west ham, they all think they're as big as us.  call them what you will, but they don't care about history.  man city?  neither do they.  neutral fans?  they don't give a fuck about 30 years ago, they think we are a mid sized mid table club.

 

not trying to be an ass here, i get our great history and am proud of it, but the only ones that care about it is us and until we get fans to understand that and stop resting on those laurels well still be looked at as a mid table club.  we need trophies/success NOW, that's the barometer of a big club.  Look at Portsmouth, anyone think they are a big club?  Forest?  no, no one cares about their past success, their NOW succes is nothing.  hence small time clubs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

Agreed, but finances do play a big part in determining your league position. 

 

Maybe I'm missing the point and that praising ourselves and calling ourselves a big club has less to do with on the pitch expectations as it does just stroking our own egos. 

Yeah, but they don't define the clubs stature. That's the point. Seems a lot of people relate rich to successful; they're 2 different things that can have link, but are separate entities.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Matt said:

Yeah, but they don't define the clubs stature. That's the point. Seems a lot of people relate rich to successful; they're 2 different things that can have link, but are separate entities.

the only people who feel this way are clubs who don't have much money.  sad but true.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, markjazzbassist said:

the only people who feel this way are clubs who don't have much money.  sad but true.

Not even close to being true. In my experience, and in my case specifically, the people who think that have been following the game all their lives and remember the times before oil money etc. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would say in recent history we haven't been that successful, and I don't see how anyone can argue against that. Historically yes, we're a big club, but there are clubs bigger than us right now, as others have said. I think if we are going to say we are big club then we need to put "historically" before it, or we need to add a tier above "big," because we're just not at the same level (currently) as we used to be, and we rarely show up against the clubs above us.  

The good news is that we have an investor that is hopefully going to help us compete at the next level.

I think the point I'm trying to make is yes, historically we're a big club, but finances have made some clubs around us bigger than us and that has diminished our stature a bit.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Matt said:

Not even close to being true. In my experience, and in my case specifically, the people who think that have been following the game all their lives and remember the times before oil money etc. 

sure, but that's just a small part of the equation.  Stadium, current success, revenue, trophies, champions league, all part of the equation as well.  We don't do well in any of those either.  so in reality history is the only thing going for us in the "big club" column.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

sure, but that's just a small part of the equation.  Stadium, current success, revenue, trophies, champions league, all part of the equation as well.  We don't do well in any of those either.  so in reality history is the only thing going for us in the "big club" column.

Stadium is linked to both stature and revenue. We've got one of the oldest, most revolutionary grounds going and we'll have a new, hopefully more groundbreaking, stadium figuratively (and soon to be literally) on the horizon

Competitions and current success are indeed part of the equation, but considering the club has been around longer than most, and we've got more success in competitions than most, we are a big club by definition. I'd argue that "current" success is not the way to look at it, because then you have to ask how far back do you want to go? If you want to define success on a specific timeline, you could say Man United aren't that big a club because it's been 5 years since they won a title. Is that true? Of course not, they're a massive club because of what they've won. Same as the shite too, unfortunately. 

To be honest, I'm kinda shocked this has to be explained on an Everton forum to fellow Evertonians. If you don't understand why we're such a big, club, you need to look back and learn. Just because we've not seen it in our lifetimes (in my case at least) does not discount the successes of the club through its lifetime. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Stadium is linked to both stature and revenue. We've got one of the oldest, most revolutionary grounds going and we'll have a new, hopefully more groundbreaking, stadium figuratively (and soon to be literally) on the horizon

Competitions and current success are indeed part of the equation, but considering the club has been around longer than most, and we've got more success in competitions than most, we are a big club by definition. I'd argue that "current" success is not the way to look at it, because then you have to ask how far back do you want to go? If you want to define success on a specific timeline, you could say Man United aren't that big a club because it's been 5 years since they won a title. Is that true? Of course not, they're a massive club because of what they've won. Same as the shite too, unfortunately. 

To be honest, I'm kinda shocked this has to be explained on an Everton forum to fellow Evertonians. If you don't understand why we're such a big, club, you need to look back and learn. Just because we've not seen it in our lifetimes (in my case at least) does not discount the successes of the club through its lifetime. 

I don't think anyone is discounting that the club has historical success, just that it can't be the only barometer for current stature and we've fallen behind relative to the other clubs above us.

Liverpool is a big club, but are they as big as they once were?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, tonkaroost said:

I don't think anyone is discounting that the club has historical success, just that it can't be the only barometer for current stature and we've fallen behind relative to the other clubs above us.

Liverpool is a big club, but are they as big as they once were?

Yes, they are as are we. 

Just curios then, how far back does current success cover?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Matt said:

Yes, they are as are we. 

Just curios then, how far back does current success cover?

One side of the debate: Everton are a historically significant football club

The other: Everton aren't financially equipped to buy the very best players in the world right now, and thus regularly compete with the likes of Man U, Chelsea, Man City for the PL title and Bayern, Barca, and Real Madrid for the Champions League title

Part of me thinks this has been a debate between two sides addressing different questions

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Quinn31 said:

One side of the debate: Everton are a historically significant football club

The other: Everton aren't financially equipped to buy the very best players in the world right now, and thus regularly compete with the likes of Man U, Chelsea, Man City for the PL title and Bayern, Barca, and Real Madrid for the Champions League title

Part of me thinks this has been a debate between two sides addressing different questions

I'm not dismissing that, that would be silly. But we still are a big club based on history. 

Can anyone tell me what the timescale is for "current" success?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Matt said:

Yes, they are as are we. 

Just curios then, how far back does current success cover?

Okay, so on the other side of the equation... is Man City bigger now than they were before? If you say yes then you make the point that current success increases/decreases stature; if you say no then your point is that historical success is the only thing that matters.

And I don't think there's a certain set of years that you look back on to determine current success... let's say 10 years if you want do define it. All of the factors come into play: historical success, current success, finances, fanbase, quality of squad, etc.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

matt you're looking at this with blue tinted glasses, i'm not.  from a neutral perspective we haven't won anything in over 20 years, have finished on average in that time mid table (ie not top 5), have an ancient small stadium (compared to "big clubs"), have continually sold our best players to fund transfers, have had maybe 2 world class players in the last 2 decades (rooney, lukaku), and haven't made a dent on the european stage for over 30 years.

 

if i'm a neutral that's a mid table side.  if i'm an evertonian we're the biggest club in the world.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×