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6 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

It's his opinion Dunc. Key words were 'this early'. Many many many people share the same view.

If we are still down there around game 25 - 30....then yes, we are in a relegation fight.

I've always held this view.

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It's his opinion Dunc. Key words were 'this early'. Many many many people share the same view.
If we are still down there around game 25 - 30....then yes, we are in a relegation fight.
I've always held this view.


It will way too late to do anything about it if we can’t see we are in even in a relegation fight until 8 games to go


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20 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

If agree with his comments. We pick up 2 wins in our next 2 games then no. If we lose them both, then given his response, I expect even he will agree.

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36 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 


It will way too late to do anything about it if we can’t see we are in even in a relegation fight until 8 games to go

 

 

Maybe. And it's too early to say we are in one now.

There will come a point when it sets in right across the fanbase, but that point is different for everyone.

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Why are people saying that we aren't in a relegation fight? Are people watching a different game to me? We are not just losing games. We're getting smashed and the only points we have picked up this season have arguably been very fortunate. Without doubt, right now, we are in the worst 3 sides in the league. Every other club below us has ways of playing in order to be effective. Palace are a great example of this. I dont actually think they will go down as the tools are there for all to see. We have no plan A or plan B. Zero plan and no way of looking like we can win any games without someone getting sent off or some lucky moments. Have we deserved to win any game this season???

The deluded nature of some our fans right now is mirrored by this board. We need Big Sam to get us out of this mess and stay in this league make no mistake.

The same people who don't think we are in a relegation fight are probably the same people that wanted Unsworth to keep the gig until the end of the season.........or christ, even longer......... This poor blind faith and lack of foresight is why we  have missed out on weeks of searching for a new manager

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1 hour ago, Lowensda said:

He's a massively overrated, vastly inconsistent, dressing room destroyer, who needs to be one of the first to get the boot. He s a dick. Plain and simple. And no, he is NOT one of our best players. Even at the levels we are now, there are plenty ahead of him.

 

They both played half an hour longer than him. He was constantly moving and looked a bigger threat than DCL. The midfield offers little for the forwards to play with. 

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5 minutes ago, pete0 said:

They both played half an hour longer than him. He was constantly moving and looked a bigger threat than DCL. The midfield offers little for the forwards to play with. 

Mirallas is a busted flush and has been for about 3 years now. How he gets a game now is beyond me, especially when we have players like Lookman and Vlasic in the squad.

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3 minutes ago, Shukes said:

To talk about relegation in November is a little premature for me.

like others have said,if we won’t the next two games it all changes. We’re not even one of the worst teams at the moment, or we would’ve bottom. We’re not even in the relegation spots.

No one is deluded. I think all realise that if we keep this form up, it won’t be long before we are in a relegation fight. But at the moment some still believe that the players coming back will make a massive difference. I’m one of them.

I could easily be wrong, but there is no reason to call us deluded etc at the moment as we could also just as easily be right. Not that it matters who is right or wrong, only Everton matter.

And on what evidence do you see that we can turn this form around? "If we keep this form up?" Well until we get a new manager it is evident we are getting worse. So if you were in charge what would you do? Leave it be until January? Players coming back? You expect a few players who have been out for 12 months to come back and change the team? We dont even know if they will be at the level they were. By all accounts there are also a shit load of games prior to them even being considered. If your plan is to ride it out until Coleman, Bolasie, Barkley and Funes Mori come back then I'm glad you;re not in charge.

People need to use their eyes and judge on what they see on the pitch. Not look at stats, how far we are away from 8th and all this bollocks as that just provides false hope. We are getting turned over right now by shit teams..........

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3 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Mirallas is a busted flush and has been for about 3 years now. How he gets a game now is beyond me, especially when we have players like Lookman and Vlasic in the squad.

Don't see what lookman has done to get a game tbh. Baffles me that he has such a support crying for him to play. Vlasic looks lively, gives the ball away a little easy though but a proper midfield would help with that if we had one. 

It's the middle of the park that needs changing more than the wingers. 

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1 hour ago, Lowensda said:

He's a massively overrated, vastly inconsistent, dressing room destroyer, who needs to be one of the first to get the boot. He s a dick. Plain and simple. And no, he is NOT one of our best players. Even at the levels we are now, there are plenty ahead of him.

 

If I could add 50 up votes to this I would.  Agree on all accounts I hope he’s gone come January.

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2 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Don't see what lookman has done to get a game tbh. Baffles me that he has such a support crying for him to play. Vlasic looks lively, gives the ball away a little easy though but a proper midfield would help with that if we had one. 

It's the middle of the park that needs changing more than the wingers. 

He has pace, aggression and is willing to take his man on, three things Mirallas does not have.

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11 minutes ago, sydneyneil said:

And on what evidence do you see that we can turn this form around? "If we keep this form up?" Well until we get a new manager it is evident we are getting worse. So if you were in charge what would you do? Leave it be until January? Players coming back? You expect a few players who have been out for 12 months to come back and change the team? We dont even know if they will be at the level they were. By all accounts there are also a shit load of games prior to them even being considered. If your plan is to ride it out until Coleman, Bolasie, Barkley and Funes Mori come back then I'm glad you;re not in charge.

People need to use their eyes and judge on what they see on the pitch. Not look at stats, how far we are away from 8th and all this bollocks as that just provides false hope. We are getting turned over right now by shit teams..........

I’m using my own eyes and my own opinion. It’s different to yours.

im also glad we haven’t got a person like you or even remotely close to running the club. 

You honestly don’t think that Barkley, Bolasie, Coleman and Mori won’t make a difference? Really? Ok then.

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1 minute ago, Shukes said:

I’m using my own eyes and my own opinion. It’s different to yours.

im also glad we haven’t got a person like you or even remotely close to running the club. 

You honestly don’t think that Barkley, Bolasie, Coleman and Mori won’t make a difference? Really? Ok then.

They dont make any difference sat in the stands Shukes.................As Ive just quoted you in another thread. We have the worst defence in the league and we cant score goals. What are you watching??? How bad does it have to get? Southampton couldnt score all season and theyve just banged 4 past us. 

Im glad you arent running the club, as you would just allow this mess to continue thinking that we are still "good enough".....Well this aint good enough for me. Nowhere near.

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With my own eyes I can see that we’re not even in a relegation position, so technically it needs to get worse. So ye, that’s what I’m watching.

As for players in the stands, come on, just come on... you know exactly what I meant don’t you.

Im officially pulling myself out of the running of the club now as I can see it would upset you if I get the job!

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17 minutes ago, London Blue said:

He has pace, aggression and is willing to take his man on, three things Mirallas does not have.

Sounds like you're on about Mirallas to me. 

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I’m using my own eyes and my own opinion. It’s different to yours.
im also glad we haven’t got a person like you or even remotely close to running the club. 
You honestly don’t think that Barkley, Bolasie, Coleman and Mori won’t make a difference? Really? Ok then.

Barkley will be off as soon as he is fit, Coleman an Bolasie are both coming back from serious injuries so we don’t know how long it will take or even if they will get back to their best, and Mori is a liability anyway. So I wouldn’t put too much faith in the cavalry arriving to save the day


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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Sounds like you're on about Mirallas to me. 

Mirallas lost those qualities 3 years ago. As the stats today point out he is a player living on a past reputation that he barley deserves. 

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9 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


Barkley will be off as soon as he is fit, Coleman an Bolasie are both coming back from serious injuries so we don’t know how long it will take or even if they will get back to their best, and Mori is a liability anyway. So I wouldn’t put too much faith in the cavalry arriving to save the day

 

I’m still holding hope that Ross stays Dunc. Due to the diligence I think your probably right.... but I would love him to stay and help get us out of this.

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We aren't in a relegation "fight" because there is no fight in this shithouse team. We are and will just be relegation / relegated. We will go down at this rate.

Unsworth isn't anywhere near good enough (we are worse now than under Koeman), the ex pro's all need to be fucked off as they aren't good enough, Williams, Morgan, Klassen and Mirallas all need to be fucked off straight away. This "gets Everton" shout is fucking dreadful, what is there to "get"? This mediocre shout needs to leg it. We need someone to save us, not get us. We need someone to win, to lead us to trophies (which will likely be the League One league trophy within the next few years).

 

 

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6 hours ago, Paddock said:

Here’s a stat- no team that has conceded 28 goals in their first 13 games has ever stayed up since the prem started in 92- we’ve conceded 28 in 13.

We will stay up, and it will be another stat to add to all our other  "1st" stats.;)

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7 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Much respect to Unsworth for stepping in.

Took over with us in the bottom, stands aside with us in 13th.

Some nightmare results in there but he gave it a good, honest go. Evertonians appreciate that.

amen.  cheers unsy, hope you are able to go back to the u23

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Made up for Unsworth. Absolutely deserved that as a send off, he's come in with us in the absolute mire and showed real dignity and class in terrible circumstances. His big mistake was the team he put out against Atlantic, that had a major knock on effect at Southampton. That and keeping on playing Schneiderlin. But hey, rookie managers make mistakes, he'd have still kept us up. But now we have money bags Sam to leas us to glory! 

Good luck back with the U23s David, I'm sure your time will come again as a senior manager. 

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Would have been ideal for him to have been given the assistant managers role rather than that twat Sammy Lee. Staying within the first team setup and watching Allardyce work would certainly have helped with his development. 

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5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:


“I thought our shape was better,” added Unsworth. “We worked tirelessly on our shape off the ball and that is what you have to do when you are conceding goals."

Did anyone notice the improvement in our shape off the ball? I think it was the match thread that I said for the first time in ages we are defending in straight lines of 4 when off the ball. Brilliant to see...shame it took so long for Unsworth to drill this into them.

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20 minutes ago, Newty82 said:


“I thought our shape was better,” added Unsworth. “We worked tirelessly on our shape off the ball and that is what you have to do when you are conceding goals."

Did anyone notice the improvement in our shape off the ball? I think it was the match thread that I said for the first time in ages we are defending in straight lines of 4 when off the ball. Brilliant to see...shame it took so long for Unsworth to drill this into them.

most managers get a year or 2, he had like 5 matches and people were already off him.  never should have hired big sam, like most of us said Unsy would have had us mid table and saved 6m and the wreckage of the Big Sam aftermath.

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4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

most managers get a year or 2, he had like 5 matches and people were already off him.  never should have hired big sam, like most of us said Unsy would have had us mid table and saved 6m and the wreckage of the Big Sam aftermath.

Unfortunately we will never know. And that's a killer.

He's not really had solid consecutive time with the lads on the training pitch as we've had a good amount of midweek games and an international break while he's been in charge.

I can't help but feel that he was getting there. But also can't blame the club for wanting to minimise risk.

His time will come.

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Everyone needs to stop feeling sorry for him. He had 8 games he did on the whole extremely poorly. I think 8 games is a lot more than what other caretaker managers usually get. He was given a little go of it. Did De Boer even get that long?

 

The result towards the end were absolutely awful some of the worst defeats in recent times. He had to step down.

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11 minutes ago, MC11 said:

Everyone needs to stop feeling sorry for him. He had 8 games he did on the whole extremely poorly. I think 8 games is a lot more than what other caretaker managers usually get. He was given a little go of it. Did De Boer even get that long?

 

The result towards the end were absolutely awful some of the worst defeats in recent times. He had to step down.

I'm glad you're in the minority of fans with your mingebag attitude. Even after last night you can't bring yourself to be even slightly gracious and wish him well. You compare him to De Boer? Unsworth hasn't lost a home game in the league, he got more points in the same number of league games than Koeman. You're just showing a lack of class now. 

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4 minutes ago, nogs said:

I'm glad you're in the minority of fans with your mingebag attitude. Even after last night you can't bring yourself to be even slightly gracious and wish him well. You compare him to De Boer? Unsworth hasn't lost a home game in the league, he got more points in the same number of league games than Koeman. You're just showing a lack of class now. 

No I'm saying it as it is. The guy didn't get the best out of his players until last night and some could say that because a new manager was imminent. You'd expect an uplift in performances when a new manager comes in. That didn't happen therefore he had to go. 

Are you David? 

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I felt fortunate to be at Goodison last night, OK West Ham were poor, but we made them look that way, apart from the first 15 mi s or so in the second half.

I can't see Sam (we're going to have to get used to saying that) ever getting the same level of support and affection Unsy got at the end of the game, it was so clear to see the feeling he has for the club and us the fans. Top bloke hope he continues to develop himself and the U23 and goes on to be first team manager for us full time.

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So after last nights brilliant result, and F Sams confirmation as manager, I'd like to see Rhino be given a more prominent role with a view to being developed to be read y to take over at the end of Sams contract.

The passion and  and feeling he has for the club was 100 % evident at the end of the game last night, and dare I say thsame from the fans in the ground.

if Sams that good surely we should make it part of his remit to work with Rhino and help develop him ready to be our next manager, who takes over the helm in better circumstances than he did 5 weeks ago, a lesssr man would have crumbled IMHO.

 

I'm ready to be shot down in flames 🔥 but don't think I will apart from a couple of people out there.

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1 hour ago, MC11 said:

No I'm saying it as it is. The guy didn't get the best out of his players until last night and some could say that because a new manager was imminent. You'd expect an uplift in performances when a new manager comes in. That didn't happen therefore he had to go. 

Are you David? 

Are you Joey? 

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Hopefully our next manager is Marco Silva or Thomas Tuchel or another name ready to kick us on, not learn how to be a manager. Maybe Unsy down the road, but he needs to either be an assistant manager in the Prem or go manage a senior side.

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34 minutes ago, Bill said:

We've got 18 months to get the next one right, unless it all goes wrong again earlier than that.

I give it a 50/50 chance we make a move in the summer even if Allardyce does well. 

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10 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

So after last nights brilliant result, and F Sams confirmation as manager, I'd like to see Rhino be given a more prominent role with a view to being developed to be read y to take over at the end of Sams contract.

The passion and  and feeling he has for the club was 100 % evident at the end of the game last night, and dare I say thsame from the fans in the ground.

if Sams that good surely we should make it part of his remit to work with Rhino and help develop him ready to be our next manager, who takes over the helm in better circumstances than he did 5 weeks ago, a lesssr man would have crumbled IMHO.

 

I'm ready to be shot down in flames 🔥 but don't think I will apart from a couple of people out there.

Why was this moved from its own topic?

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A quality man, if I had to use one word to sum him up it be honorable.

I think he is so talented as someone who can manage and bring on youth that is where his skills are and that is where he should be.

There is not enough credit or importance given in football generally to youth coaches / managers. 

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