markjazzbassist Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 33 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: Madness. Our manager could be Unsworth or Allardyce or Simeone. Baffling. However, it does show you how far apart the two board factions are. Bill wants Unsworth while Moshiri wants Simeone i don't think moshiri knows who he wants. he's going for "big names" because he thinks it will raise the stature of the club and they'll do well. to bill's credit, moyes and martinez did a great job overall (we were never relegated and both got us far in Cups and into Europe on little funds). Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: i don't think moshiri knows who he wants. he's going for "big names" because he thinks it will raise the stature of the club and they'll do well. to bill's credit, moyes and martinez did a great job overall (we were never relegated and both got us far in Cups and into Europe on little funds). Dear God no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Rumour is Unsworth has been given the job until the end of the season, not sure how I feel about that to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nogs Posted November 8, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Rumour is Unsworth has been given the job until the end of the season, not sure how I feel about that to be honest If true I'm made up. It means we won't get Allardyce, and it gives one of our own a fair crack of the whip. I'm not saying he'll be a roaring success for sure, but he deserves a chance. I am confident we won't go down with him in charge, I think home form will see to that. So let's see what he's got tactically, whether he can rehabilitate the awful summer signings, how well he does bringing his young uns on, and what he can so working with Walsh in the January window. What we know we'll get it passion and complete dedication to the cause. chicagoblue, MikeO, markjazzbassist and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Rumour is Unsworth has been given the job until the end of the season, not sure how I feel about that to be honest Interesting... I'm not sure what to think either. I am made up for him and I have no doubt that he will do everything he can to make it a success however whether that will be good enough is a different story. I hope it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 31 minutes ago, nogs said: If true I'm made up. It means we won't get Allardyce, and it gives one of our own a fair crack of the whip. I'm not saying he'll be a roaring success for sure, but he deserves a chance. I am confident we won't go down with him in charge, I think home form will see to that. So let's see what he's got tactically, whether he can rehabilitate the awful summer signings, how well he does bringing his young uns on, and what he can so working with Walsh in the January window. What we know we'll get it passion and complete dedication to the cause. If he smashes it, we have our permanent manager. If he rescues us and has a decent season, we are in a better position to hire a long term manager because its in the offseason and the new man could immediately have a transfer window and hopefully we will have finished in a reasonable enough position/made a few signings that make us an attractive landing spot. Plus, Unsworth then has a decent managerial spell under his belt that he could take to another club (Please!) If we continue to struggle/look relegation material, then we'll be less excited and maybe need to look at a survival specialist in January or February. Seriously, in this league, 50 points will keep us safe by a mile and would probably mean that we are 8th or 9th in the league.... Just get us 50 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I’ll be quite worried if he has got the job until the end of the season, but I’ll be hoping like hell that worry is massively misplaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I’d be very happy. I feel he’s finally starting to turn the corner and a window with a striker and CB and he could keep us safe and end up mid table. Plus no relegation specialist keep our integrity intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Lets be realistic here. We got back into that game with a huge error by their reserve goalkeeper and we were dreadful for most part of that game. It was a freak game and giving Unsworth credit for that when so many things went in our favour is foolish. His record is 3 losses and a freak win from 4 and apart from effort, I have seen no improvement in our defence or chances created. Everyone says he knows the players and this and that, so he has an advantage but he has played different players and formations every game. And deployed people in several different positions. I think it's a huge gamble for him to get the job until the end of the season. You may as well say to him, we'll let you keep hold of it until the end of the season but if we lose a couple on the spin, were getting Big Sam in. I hope not, but that's likely to happen. Paddock and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 If Unsworth gets it we will be in a relegation fight. The win Sunday had nothing good about it (bar the result obviously) and was one of those freak games. We were utterly awful for most of it. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 probably be Unsy for the short term anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 I understand if the board decide to give it to Unsworth, they know what their getting with him, everybody else is unknown quality. A short term answer to a long standing mess up, if anybody can get the players wanting to wear the Royal Blue shirt, it Unsworth. I,m in the i hope he does get it class. Sibdane, Sev, Hafnia and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmytheJimster Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Can't see how this works for Unsworth, we give him the job till the end of the season then what, he'll have to get us into the top 8 at the very least for him to be given the job fulltime, and I can't see him doing that, he's just not ready yet. So at the end of the season will he just be ok to go back to the U23. If he's poor and sacked will he go back to the U23, he's in a no win situation for me, however the man a passionate Evertonian and will give everything for the club so he's got my backing. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, patto said: Pad we are in a relegation fight no matter who gets the job and are you not giving any credit to Watford they will win a fair share of their games. I’m giving them plentry of credit apatto, they will feel very hard done to and wuite rightly so we were lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 12 hours ago, sydneyneil said: Lets be realistic here. We got back into that game with a huge error by their reserve goalkeeper and we were dreadful for most part of that game. It was a freak game and giving Unsworth credit for that when so many things went in our favour is foolish. His record is 3 losses and a freak win from 4 and apart from effort, I have seen no improvement in our defence or chances created. Everyone says he knows the players and this and that, so he has an advantage but he has played different players and formations every game. And deployed people in several different positions. I think it's a huge gamble for him to get the job until the end of the season. You may as well say to him, we'll let you keep hold of it until the end of the season but if we lose a couple on the spin, were getting Big Sam in. I hope not, but that's likely to happen. How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! Shukes, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 6 hours ago, JimmytheJimster said: Can't see how this works for Unsworth, we give him the job till the end of the season then what, he'll have to get us into the top 8 at the very least for him to be given the job fulltime, and I can't see him doing that, he's just not ready yet. So at the end of the season will he just be ok to go back to the U23. If he's poor and sacked will he go back to the U23, he's in a no win situation for me, however the man a passionate Evertonian and will give everything for the club so he's got my backing. I know this doesn't make you a good manager, but I agree with the sentiment. I'd rather have him than Big Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 38 minutes ago, nogs said: How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! exactly he got it spot on. plus the players still fought from being down 2-0 something they weren't doing for Koeman so it shows he has the dressing room. i say keep him. Shukes and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, nogs said: How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! Your missing the point... Unsworth was managing. If it was Koeman then ye he deserves credit as Watford we’re suprisingly better than we thought. But it was Unsworth so their first goal was not because we gifted it them, the subs were lucky, Niasses goal was due to a mistake... nothing to do with him sneaking in front of the keeper... that only counts against us, and then we were lucky to stay in it.....as they had so many chances after that, and we had none?.... sigh! Get with the program man! We only win deservedly ... when someone else is at the helm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Shukes said: Your missing the point... Unsworth was managing. If it was Koeman then ye he deserves credit as Watford we’re suprisingly better than we thought. But it was Unsworth so their first goal was not because we gifted it then, the subs were lucky, Niasses goal was due to a mistake... nothing to do with him sneaking in front of the keeper... that o or counts against us, and then we were lucky to stay in it.....as they had so many chances after that and we had none?.... sigh! Get with the program man! We only win deservedly ... when someone else is at the helm! Ah I see now... I'll try to change my thinking accordingly! Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Just now, nogs said: Ah I see now... I'll try to change my thinking accordingly! Joking aside, I do think a few fans will do whatever they can do discredit Unsworth no matter how he does. He deserved massive credit for Watford but instead received the usual... its only because Watford are so poor! cue the ... I would love Unsworth to prove me wrong but the fact is Watford we’re so poor blah blah blah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Shukes said: Joking aside, I do think a few fans will do whatever they can do discredit Unsworth no matter how he does. He deserved massive credit for Watford but instead received the usual... its only because Watford are so poor! cue the ... I would love Unsworth to prove me wrong but the fact is Watford we’re so poor blah blah blah! Same with any manager. Just judge it on results and performances ffs! I wasn't impressed with Koeman when he came in, thought his record as a manager was average at best. But he won me round last season because we had a strong second half of the season. That's all that matters - Everton doing well. Unless we're talking Allardyce. There has to be a line somewhere. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Totally agree. I do t care who is fancied and I fancied. All I care about is how Everton perform. i admit to having a soft spot for Unsworth, but if he can’t tirn it around then I want him replaced. We are Everton, not any singular entity. So far I have witnessed far more progression even in defeat than in the last 6 months of dire Football. First time I have saw is fight at 0-2 down for a long long time. Haven’t heard the crowd so loud since going to watch Birmingham city either. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Yep that's it. I like Unsworth too. I liked Martinez and all. By Christmas of his third season I was calling for him to be gone as loud as anyone because he wasn't good for Everton football club. If Unsworth is given till the summer and we're in a relegation scrap all season I won't be defending him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 I give up liking managers.....the bastards!!! Whoever we do get, I hope we all get right behind them (exception is Fat Sam). They will also try a few different ways (formations, positions, roles) to get the best 11 from this inflated and unbalanced squad. Thats the situation we are in at the moment. Thats the reality. We can't keep barking like we are now. And we are not relegation fodder!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 6 hours ago, nogs said: How is giving the manager credit for making the substitutions which got us back into the game foolish? What was it again - Lookman with the assist for the Niasse goal, DCL equalised, Lennon won the penalty for the winner?? Yeah I see what you mean, how could we possibly give Unsworth credit for any of that?! The Niasse goal, which got us back in it was a huge goalkeeping error. And prior to that we were getting smashed 2-0 and they had missed a sitter (Charlison). You're crediting a manager with making subs when we are 2-0 down? Really???? And he brought on attacking players??? When we are 2-0 down??? Wow! Please sense the sarcasm....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-need-next-mauricio-pochettino-13873877 Great article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, sydneyneil said: The Niasse goal, which got us back in it was a huge goalkeeping error. And prior to that we were getting smashed 2-0 and they had missed a sitter (Charlison). You're crediting a manager with making subs when we are 2-0 down? Really???? And he brought on attacking players??? When we are 2-0 down??? Wow! Please sense the sarcasm....... Fans moan endlessly about managers making the wrong subs. How about a little bit of credit where credit is due when it works out? markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 OK, I understand. Ill give him the credit for making the subs. It's just that in the grand scheme of game management at 2-0 down with half an hour to go I don't think he had any other options, if you get what I mean. I really hope I'm wrong about Unsworth and he keeps us up comfortably. Unsworth isn't the problem in all of this. He's just going to get the criticism if things dont go well in the next month or two and he's still in charge. We can't seem to attract the manager we want right now and we are left in limbo with a January transfer window approaching. An interim appointment of David Unsworth would be slightly defeatist in our quest for a new manager. It also puts Unsworth under unnecessary huge pressure of which he has no experience. I really hope it doesn't damage his quest for a new position elsewhere if things don't go well. I think right now would be a great time for Championship clubs to be looking at him, now he has some experience at Everton and allowing him to prove what he says he is. We have been promised huge investment and a project to break us into the top 4. This isn't the time to blood novice managers, it's the time for us to show our ambition and put Everton on the European map again. We thought we were getting there at the start of the season. One good appointment again and investment in January and we are back there. It look slike we could be waiting until the Summer though and that, as I said, puts huge pressure on Unsworth.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, sydneyneil said: The Niasse goal, which got us back in it was a huge goalkeeping error. And prior to that we were getting smashed 2-0 and they had missed a sitter (Charlison). You're crediting a manager with making subs when we are 2-0 down? Really???? And he brought on attacking players??? When we are 2-0 down??? Wow! Please sense the sarcasm....... We missed two "sitters" also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 There's some doom and gloom so called supporters on here, and I'm not kidding. barryj, markjazzbassist, Shukes and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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