markjazzbassist Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 In a relegation battle now we have to get 3 points at home. Get rid of the passengers on the lineup (rooney baines CBs). 4132 attack the shit out of them and go for the jugular, niasse to be the hard worker and occupy space and CB, Sandro to use pace to slide in and link up others. Vlasic and Mirallas for pace in attack. pickford kenny holgate keane garbutt schneiderlin vlasic gylfi mirallas sandro niasse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 We are going down. Kenny isn’t great. Can u imagine a decent striker coming up against our back four? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Fun, fun, fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Pickford Kenny Holgate Williams Besic Baningime Vlasic McCarthy Davies Mirallas Rooney I fear Richarlison one on one with Baines. I'd bring Besic in to man mark him. If Watford are happy with a draw bring an attacker in for Baningime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: In a relegation battle now we have to get 3 points at home. Get rid of the passengers on the lineup (rooney baines CBs). 4132 attack the shit out of them and go for the jugular, niasse to be the hard worker and occupy space and CB, Sandro to use pace to slide in and link up others. Vlasic and Mirallas for pace in attack. pickford kenny holgate keane garbutt schneiderlin vlasic gylfi mirallas sandro niasse Mark, Garbutt can literally not play for us. He's not registered with the Premier League squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 There's 28 games left, we're not in a relegation battle. Yet. If we're in the same situation after Christmas, I'll get worried. Points will be hard to come by if we keep playing the way we have in the last 2 first halves (and all the other games under Koeman). If we play like we have been in the second half, we will start winning. 2 wins gives us 14 points which is currently good enough for 8th. So lets get at them Pickford Holgate Jags Williams Baines Beni Vlasic Davies Glyfi Mirallas DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Matt said: There's 28 games left, we're not in a relegation battle. Yet. If we're in the same situation after Christmas, I'll get worried. Points will be hard to come by if we keep playing the way we have in the last 2 first halves (and all the other games under Koeman). If we play like we have been in the second half, we will start winning. 2 wins gives us 14 points which is currently good enough for 8th. So lets get at them Pickford Holgate Jags Williams Baines Beni Vlasic Davies Glyfi Mirallas DCL 1 clean sheet this season. only 2 wins i would say only because of Pickford. IMO we are in a relegation battle. Yes 2 wins puts us up the table- it's getting those 2 wins. I was moaned at yesterday for being negative ( which was a fair comment). I think Davies needs dropping IMO. would like to see Besic given a run, Baines needs a rest too but we have no cover. Will take a 90th minute own goal off Deeney's backside for a win. any type of win just to get points on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, milesey05 said: 1 clean sheet this season. only 2 wins i would say only because of Pickford. IMO we are in a relegation battle. Yes 2 wins puts us up the table- it's getting those 2 wins. I was moaned at yesterday for being negative ( which was a fair comment). I think Davies needs dropping IMO. would like to see Besic given a run, Baines needs a rest too but we have no cover. Will take a 90th minute own goal off Deeney's backside for a win. any type of win just to get points on the board. Don't get me wrong, we've been awful, but there's 84 points to play for. If we perform as we have done in the last 2 second halves, we'll be ok and will slowly start climbing. But we absolutely need to stop conceding first and foremost before getting in a goalscorer in January; and I mean January 1st, not the end of the window. If we don't have someone lined up ready to be announced the moment the window opens, then Walsh has some serious questions to face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 10 hours ago, Quinn31 said: Mark, Garbutt can literally not play for us. He's not registered with the Premier League squad. Ah my bad, I’d rather Martina at LB then. Baines has been awful. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Pickford kenny Holgate Jags Baines Benni lookman Shnerdelin Mirrallas Rooney DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 3 points is a must. 1-2 win DCL with a brace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 10 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Ah my bad, I’d rather Martina at LB then. Never thought we would see that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Finn balor said: 3 points is a must. 1-2 win DCL with a brace Hope it's 2-1 were at home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 We need to become hard to beat first off all. Play with wingers and pace on the counter but really block up the middle of the pitch like we did against Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memmaclub2 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Rooney shouldn't be anywhere near notbecause he doesn't score or doesn't create but because he stops others doing their jobs and confuses the whole team. I don't know what the team should be but we need solid 3 centre mids who's primary function is to get the ball back and focus on not losing it. A 0-0 would do me a clean sheet is a must I think unsworth has proved already he isn't up to it. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 9 hours ago, memmaclub2 said: Rooney shouldn't be anywhere near notbecause he doesn't score or doesn't create but because he stops others doing their jobs and confuses the whole team. I don't know what the team should be but we need solid 3 centre mids who's primary function is to get the ball back and focus on not losing it. A 0-0 would do me a clean sheet is a must I think unsworth has proved already he isn't up to it. Seen it all on here now, drop Rooney so we can hope to get a clean sheet. How does Rooney playing stop defenders from defending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Seen it all on here now, drop Rooney so we can hope to get a clean sheet. How does Rooney playing stop defenders from defending? Because we played him instead of having a 3rd central midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Because we played him instead of having a 3rd central midfielder. Instead of playing 3 cms you could just go with 2 competent ones. Also why drop your top goal scorer for a midfielder? Leave him up front and drop DCL if need be. You drop Rooney and you're left with a team without a single goal from 10 league games. 0 goals, and 1 clean sheet in 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 11 hours ago, pete0 said: Seen it all on here now, drop Rooney so we can hope to get a clean sheet. How does Rooney playing stop defenders from defending? Because he drops deep then plays a sloppy pass to give the opposition a chance markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Matt said: Because he drops deep then plays a sloppy pass to give the opposition a chance I honestly feel this is the fault of the midfield. It's fucking non-existent in terms of attacking, so he (rightly or wrongly) feels he has to go back and make something happen. The defence being shit is all about the defence being shit. If we just had one problem I'd feel so much better about us getting out of this mess, but the problems are everywhere. It's like trying to keep a dinghy afloat that's got 10 different holes in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: If we just had one problem I'd feel so much better about us getting out of this mess, but the problems are everywhere. It's like trying to keep a dinghy afloat that's got 10 different holes in it. Good job i brought my puncture outfit Mark, we'll be alright, no worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 at least I'm seeing some credible posts about our predicament not being because we haven't got a billy's boots striker....... far far bigger issued and the defence along with midfield needs sorting massively.... Rooney is getting frustrated beyond belief. He needs Barkley back - seriously. Those two would link up brilliantly. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 14 hours ago, pete0 said: Instead of playing 3 cms you could just go with 2 competent ones. Also why drop your top goal scorer for a midfielder? Leave him up front and drop DCL if need be. You drop Rooney and you're left with a team without a single goal from 10 league games. 0 goals, and 1 clean sheet in 10. Because a solid tactic is going to be more important than one player. If Rooney can't play up front I don't see where he can start without causing problems. If he starts up front then he can cause other problems but that's by the by. 4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: I honestly feel this is the fault of the midfield. It's fucking non-existent in terms of attacking, so he (rightly or wrongly) feels he has to go back and make something happen. The defence being shit is all about the defence being shit. If we just had one problem I'd feel so much better about us getting out of this mess, but the problems are everywhere. It's like trying to keep a dinghy afloat that's got 10 different holes in it. Thats why we need to start narrowing down how many holes we have. Making sure we win the midfield is priority. 59 minutes ago, hafnia said: at least I'm seeing some credible posts about our predicament not being because we haven't got a billy's boots striker....... far far bigger issued and the defence along with midfield needs sorting massively.... Rooney is getting frustrated beyond belief. He needs Barkley back - seriously. Those two would link up brilliantly. It's a rebuild and start again job. I don't think there is anything about Koeman's tactics that 'worked' and therefore we are building from Pickford up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbeaker Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 The talk of relegation is very premature, we are 5 points off 10th. We now need to start getting results and it will happen. We need to find a settled side and a way to utilize what we have until January and start getting results Rooney is trying to hard running around and trying to do everything, when only he and Niasse have scored in the league this season there's definitely an issue, you cant rely on a couple of players, where are the set pieces and getting goals from central defenders like other teams do. At least in the last two games the team are now trying to attack hopefully it just needs a goal or two and the floodgates will open. Matt, Quinn31 and Shukes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 guys who I think have the best workrate and are always TRYING to do something are Rooney, Davies, Niasse and Gana. Their energy itself almost warrants them being on the pitch at kickoff. But... - Davies just needs more seasoning, but he works hard and at least he runs at the defense with the ball, but it's wasted when no one is making runs in the final third. I still have no idea what his BEST MF position actually is. - Niasse works hard, but just isn't clinical. Just that he works hard in and around the box to cause trouble, sadly, makes him needed - Gana is an unguided missile that leave holes when he seemingly starts man-marking in a zonal system. I'm starting to think the reason he was so effective last year is that he had a very astute partner that read his movements and provided cover for him to run amok. Schneiderlin, Davies, Besic and McCarthy's hamstring don't seem to compliment that style. Gareth Barry did. The good news is that at least Gana takes shots on goal. The bad news is that Gana takes shots on goal. - Rooney I think is just trying to do too much and overcompensating for his and other's deficits. I can't help but wonder if he isn't a significant factor in Sigurdsson (and Klaassen to a lesser degree) not being able to kick on and play their game instead of looking lost, ineffective and out of sorts. Despite busting his arse, he may be retarding the attacking mid's game like Gana does the DMs. Whatever lineup we trot out there, it seems the whole is MUCH less than the sum of it's parts. I don't think we have had a single match where team looked really organized for extended periods of time. We haven't really gotten much more end product, but we sure seem more dangerous and on the front foot when we have substituted in a 2nd striker. Pickford Kenny Keane/Holgate Holgate/Jags Baines Schneiderlin Davies Mirallias Glyfi DCL Niasse Would sacrifice some width for midfield, and have some cover for players who like to get forward (Mirallias, Kenny) linked with players who will go into tackles to break up counters (Davies, Baines) and Schneiderlin roaming for support. I'd rather see Keane play if able, but would not particularity want the less experienced players side by side on the back four Kenny/Holgate or Holgate with Martina's defending. I would drop Rooney and Gana to the bench, and see if their respective midfield parts are more effective without them constantly changing the shape. They could still be valuable subs especially if changing to a more defensive formation, as well as having Sandro/Vlasic/Lookman for fresh legs. Of course, to my original point, that's a lineup that hasn't played together, so who knows. But we have GOT to find a lineup that can attack and compliment each other instead of getting strung out or all over each other, leaving only backwards and sideways options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 What about 3-5-2 Pickford Holgate Jags Keane davies benni Morgan gilfi Vlasic Rooney DCL granted the lads aren’t wing backs but they have Morgan and benni to drop in when they bomb forward. Look at Chelsea. Moses and alonso aren’t wing backs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 23 hours ago, Finn balor said: What about 3-5-2 Pickford Holgate Jags Keane davies benni Morgan gilfi Vlasic Rooney DCL granted the lads aren’t wing backs but they have Morgan and benni to drop in when they bomb forward. Look at Chelsea. Moses and alonso aren’t wing backs Wouldn't be a bad should, in my opinion, if only our centerbacks looked at all comfortable and capable in a back three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 get some fucking points and try and score one of those goal things i keep hearing about pickford kenny keane holgate baines beni vlasic mirallas lookman sandro dcl Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 24 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: get some fucking points and try and score one of those goal things i keep hearing about pickford kenny keane holgate baines beni vlasic mirallas lookman sandro dcl I admire your confidence but they'd twat us on the counter with only Beni as true central mid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 15 minutes ago, Quinn31 said: I admire your confidence but they'd twat us on the counter with only Beni as true central mid They’d twat us on the counter if we have four defensive midfielders and a built a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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