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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Klaasen, Sandro, Rooney, Holgate, Robles and Vlasic should all be playing.

 

 

Agree.  Also Mirallas, Besic, Martina.

We’re out of this competition, so need to give players who haven’t played much some time, and save regulars for Southampton.  Although I hope Rooney starts at Southampton, still like to see him for first 45 minutes on Thursday.

Robles

Martina Holgate Williams Besic

Schneiderlin [who should not play at Southampton]

Vlasic Klaassen Mirallas

Rooney Sandro

 

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5 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

Meh

Indeed. Just had a look at ticket availability; even in the Park end I'd say it's going to be roughly half full. We'll be lucky to break 20,000 there and all the noise will come from the Italians.

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Might as well give a bigger allocation to the away fans. The club should have organised this one better. 

I'm not sure if we were allowed to give them more; but I agree that we should've done if we were able. That and drop the prices.

Edit: Checking the regulations it just says, "Home clubs must make at least 5% of the total approved UEFA capacity of their
stadium available exclusively to visiting supporters, in a segregated, safe area."

I suppose the issue would be if we gave them more it might not count as a segregated, safe area.

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10 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I'm not sure if we were allowed to give them more; but I agree that we should've done if we were able. That and drop the prices.

Edit: Checking the regulations it just says, "Home clubs must make at least 5% of the total approved UEFA capacity of their
stadium available exclusively to visiting supporters, in a segregated, safe area."

I suppose the issue would be if we gave them more it might not count as a segregated, safe area.

With so few expected we could have have them the whole Park End.

Tbf they could give the tickets away and still struggle for a crowd next week. 

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3 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

Meh

I can’t blame anyone for thinking this match is utterly meaningless.  And its resulting scoreline will of course have no impact on our disastrous EL failure.

Yet the match may not be meaningless in literally all ways.  I hope Unsworth will play squad members who have recently either been left on the bench or off the teamsheet entirely.  I’d like to see Klaassen, Sandro, Mirallas, Vlasic, Besic, Holgate - especially those 6 - get 90 minutes.  We may need several of those players, in the event of short or longterm injury to other players.  And it’s not impossible that someone who plays 75-90 minutes Thursday will play well, get his chance, and play intermittently hereafter, perhaps in an FA Cup match.

I’m leery of McCarthy’s playing.  Our first-choice DMs have been dismal, so a number of us hope (hallucinate?) that McCarthy may play a major role in our midseason revival.  Hold off playing him until he’s injury-free.  (Speaking of hallucinating....)  Unfortunately Baningime is ineligible for EL matches.  Frankly, I’d play either Gana or Schneiderlin, leaving them out at Southampton.  Plug Besic in at LB.  I hope Rooney gets a start and 45 (not 75) minutes.  Others may have given up on his playing any part going forward, but absent miracle purchases in January, he may still play significant minutes this season.

In a few cases/positions, I hope Unsworth starts someone who Is unlikely to help us much this season.  Martina is the obvious example.  In the case of RB, Kenny is currently, easily, first-choice, but needs a rest.  We aren’t desperate for a win, and Southampton on Sunday is the priority, so surely Unsworth should rest Baines, DCL, Sigurdsson, Lennon, others.  

I wouldn’t have imagined back when the EL groups were announced that Atalanta at Goodison would present a significant challenge.  But we were embarrassed in the away match, so merely as a matter of badly wounded pride, Everton as a proud football club will want very much to celebrate a win.

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Can't see him fielding a 2nd class team, another defeat would ruin what confidence they are slowly building and set them back to square one.

Needs to try his best team to get another decent result, certainly wouldn't help anybodys confidence if they got their arses smacked

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Hello everybody,

with the friendly request for your help:

I will be in Liverpool for a few days from next Thursday. With a few friends I do a so-called weekend trip. As part of the trip I would like to watch the Europa League match between Everton FC and Atalanta Bergamo live in the stadium.

Unfortunately we can not buy tickets in advance. Also on the evening of the game, there will apparently be no free presale. For this reason, my question, please: Could someone please help me to get tickets for this game, please?

Since we really would like to watch the match live in the stadium, I would be very happy to receive your feedback.

A thousand thanks in advance and best regards

Matthias

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Play the best 11 to get some consistency. Maybe not having the pressure (knowing we're already out) will allow them to play better and get some confidence going

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5 hours ago, Matt said:

Play the best 11 to get some consistency. Maybe not having the pressure (knowing we're already out) will allow them to play better and get some confidence going

Matt (and Bill earlier) call for Unsworth to play our best 11/best team.  Whereas I posted earlier that Unsworth should prioritize Southampton, which comes quickly, Sunday afternoon.  A clear difference of opinion about Thursday night’s match.

I’m not at all sure which 11 players constitute our best team.  I assume most on TT would include Pickford, Baines, right now Kenny, and probably Niasse and DCL in our best team.  After that, there’s no consensus at all on TT.  Some think Schneiderlin and Gana are both playing poorly; others say one or the other is (only) marginally better.  We’re all waiting for McCarthy to get healthy, giving rise to nervous jokes.  Which 2 of our 3 regular CHs are the best 2?  I suspect more than a few Everton fans would want Holgate as a first team (desperate) hope.   Many are wondering where Vlasic is, and Sandro, too.  I say play ‘em.  Rooney?  Big arguments about him.  So, first team.  It isn’t clear to me.

I want Unsworth to play Holgate, Mirallas, Vlasic, Klaassen, Sandro, Besic.  Robles, too, for Thursday.  Rooney for 45 minutes.  Niasse is ineligible for EL.  Baines shouldn’t be expected to play 3 matches in 8 days.  Kenny - I guess he could more easily do that, but I’d prefer he’s rested and saved for a full 90 minutes on Sunday.  I prefer to let Klaassen - who, understandably, is no one’s first choice - play, and Besic, too - who some may be desperate enough to say, well, he’s no worse than one of Gana/Schneiderlin.  McCarthy?  Surely he can’t be said to be clearly ready quite yet.  Why risk him in a meaningless match?  If he’s ready Sunday, good.

So, it seems to me there’s more probable value in resting some key players for Sunday than in hoping we actually have a clear first team.  What we have is a collection of wildly inconsistent players.  The 8 players I’ve listed are about as likely to play well as are others we might slot into their positions.  And as to confidence, we could use a couple of these players having a good match, so they might play a role in our EPL struggle.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

niasse suspension for the league i would play him here to keep him fit.

 

robles

cuco holgate williams feeney

klaassen beni

vlasic rooney mirallas

niasse

He wasn't registered for Europa

22 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

Matt (and Bill earlier) call for Unsworth to play our best 11/best team.  Whereas I posted earlier that Unsworth should prioritize Southampton, which comes quickly, Sunday afternoon.  A clear difference of opinion about Thursday night’s match.

I’m not at all sure which 11 players constitute our best team.  I assume most on TT would include Pickford, Baines, right now Kenny, and probably Niasse and DCL in our best team.  After that, there’s no consensus at all on TT.  Some think Schneiderlin and Gana are both playing poorly; others say one or the other is (only) marginally better.  We’re all waiting for McCarthy to get healthy, giving rise to nervous jokes.  Which 2 of our 3 regular CHs are the best 2?  I suspect more than a few Everton fans would want Holgate as a first team (desperate) hope.   Many are wondering where Vlasic is, and Sandro, too.  I say play ‘em.  Rooney?  Big arguments about him.  So, first team.  It isn’t clear to me.

I want Unsworth to play Holgate, Mirallas, Vlasic, Klaassen, Sandro, Besic.  Robles, too, for Thursday.  Rooney for 45 minutes.  Niasse is ineligible for EL.  Baines shouldn’t be expected to play 3 matches in 8 days.  Kenny - I guess he could more easily do that, but I’d prefer he’s rested and saved for a full 90 minutes on Sunday.  I prefer to let Klaassen - who, understandably, is no one’s first choice - play, and Besic, too - who some may be desperate enough to say, well, he’s no worse than one of Gana/Schneiderlin.  McCarthy?  Surely he can’t be said to be clearly ready quite yet.  Why risk him in a meaningless match?  If he’s ready Sunday, good.

So, it seems to me there’s more probable value in resting some key players for Sunday than in hoping we actually have a clear first team.  What we have is a collection of wildly inconsistent players.  The 8 players I’ve listed are about as likely to play well as are others we might slot into their positions.  And as to confidence, we could use a couple of these players having a good match, so they might play a role in our EPL struggle.

 

 

I understand the the idea to rotate and save players for the weekend, but I think this kind of chop 'n' change is part of the reason we're in this mess. We need consistency to get confidence, and confidence will bring wins, so I'd be treating this as an important game (least of all for all the fans who are going to the game) and go at it 100%

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1 minute ago, Matt said:

He wasn't registered for Europa

I understand the the idea to rotate and save players for the weekend, but I think this kind of chop 'n' change is part of the reason we're in this mess. We need consistency to get confidence, and confidence will bring wins, so I'd be treating this as an important game (least of all for all the fans who are going to the game) and go at it 100%

Your counterargument is reasonable.  Even taking your view, however, it would surprise me if there’s any agreement on TT as to which 11 players should start Thursday evening as our best team.  For example, to avoid chop ‘n’ change, should Gana and Schneiderlin start?  Lennon over both Vlasic and Mirallas?  Someone has to replace Niasse.  One or 2 strikers?

Ah, speaking of Niasse, looks as if he may get a 2-game suspension for diving, so Sandro, possibly Rooney, might be playing  up front in next 2 EPL matches.

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1 minute ago, Elston Gunnn said:

Your counterargument is reasonable.  Even taking your view, however, it would surprise me if there’s any agreement on TT as to which 11 players should start Thursday evening as our best team.  For example, to avoid chop ‘n’ change, should Gana and Schneiderlin start?  Lennon over both Vlasic and Mirallas?  Someone has to replace Niasse.  One or 2 strikers?

Ah, speaking of Niasse, looks as if he may get a 2-game suspension for diving, so Sandro, possibly Rooney, might be playing  up front in next 2 EPL matches.

Honestly don't know. I usually post a line-up but I can't make up my own mind :lol: I wouldn't change the back 5 for sure, and I'd stick DCL upfront in place of Niasse, but the midfield... No idea what I'd do.

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This is the first big dilemma for Unsworth I think, as we all seem to agree that he needs to maintain the building confidence, but not risk injury or burning out the older one like Jags and Baines in particular due to his requirement to get up and down the line.

maybe go with a few changes that give a chance to see different pairings, say  Klaassen  in front of one of the DCM's, and pair DCL with Sandro up front.

I would love Unsworth to be a success here, I hope the crowd get behind him and the team tomorrow. COYB

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We shouldn't be playing any of our first team squad in this - or more specifically, anyone with a chance of making the squad v Southampton. Everyone knows the Thursday night hangover effect, we've suffered it as bad as anyone. It would be madness to ask anyone to play these two games, even from the bench. The league is all that matters now. 

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8 minutes ago, Bill said:

So are you hoping for a weak team ?, Thats going to give everybody a massive boost  if we get thrashed 0-5 isn't it.:huh:

What does it matter? What would you rather do, go flat out and turn up at Southampton knackered so we get turned over?? 

We played kids against Borisov and Krasnodar when we'd qualified, I don't see why it's different now we're out? 

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2 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

I hope the crowd get behind him and the team tomorrow.

I think "crowd" might be an optimistic term to use; probably "few blokes who have nowt better to do" might be a more realistic assessment of the attendance.

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1 hour ago, nogs said:

What does it matter? What would you rather do, go flat out and turn up at Southampton knackered so we get turned over?? 

We played kids against Borisov and Krasnodar when we'd qualified, I don't see why it's different now we're out? 

Purely for confidence reasons. That's the only reason. And it's a string reason.

Plus Unsworth doesn't want to take another twatting as his audition continues!!!

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33 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I think "crowd" might be an optimistic term to use; probably "few blokes who have nowt better to do" might be a more realistic assessment of the attendance.

I'm a glass half full man " being optimistic as ever 😳

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35 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

I'm a glass half full man " being optimistic as ever 😳

Put it this way; I still went to the dead rubber against BATE Borisov when I knew we’d just be putting out the kids but I’m not going tomorrow. 

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23 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Put it this way; I still went to the dead rubber against BATE Borisov when I knew we’d just be putting out the kids but I’m not going tomorrow. 

Difference being that was a dead game because we were already qualified, this is dead because we're out.

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3 hours ago, nogs said:

We shouldn't be playing any of our first team squad in this - or more specifically, anyone with a chance of making the squad v Southampton. Everyone knows the Thursday night hangover effect, we've suffered it as bad as anyone. It would be madness to ask anyone to play these two games, even from the bench. The league is all that matters now. 

 

3 hours ago, Bill said:

So are you hoping for a weak team ?, Thats going to give everybody a massive boost  if we get thrashed 0-5 isn't it.:huh:

 

I can’t say exactly what nogs sees as our “first team,” nor can I say exactly what Bill sees as a “weak team.”  I think the inclusion as starters of Mirallas, Sandro, Besic, Vlasic, Rooney, DCL does not constitute a weak team.  Or at least demonstrably any weaker than a team that includes, for example, Lookman and Lennon as wings instead of Mirallas and Vlasic.  And although I expect Sigurdsson will come good over time, he hasn’t played particularly well so far, and I’d like to see Klaassen get an opportunity, minimally for the first half.  Similarly, Besic should play on Thursday, either as DM or as LB, where I adamantly insist that Baines should not be pushed to play 3 matches in 8 days, given the importance of the last of those 3.

Although, yes, it’s possible a team that includes the 6 players I’ve listed could get thrashed 0-5, it’s no more likely than a somewhat stronger team getting similarly smashed.

It strikes me there’s a likely advantage going forward to giving the players I’ve listed some pitch time against Atalanta, and a likely advantage to resting 6-8 regulars to save them for Southampton.

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I think he said play all the players who won't be playing against Southampton,  to me I think that means not the strongest side.  We need to play the best team possible and try to get the winning mentality back, or at least a decent performance, no good playing a weaker side and getting thrashed, Confidence would be shot going into the Southampton game.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Difference being that was a dead game because we were already qualified, this is dead because we're out.

Dead is dead. I’ll usually go to any home game, no matter what, but we play such shite football I can’t be arsed. 

Didn't they lower the prices for the Borisov game?

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7 hours ago, Elston Gunnn said:

 

 

I can’t say exactly what nogs sees as our “first team,” nor can I say exactly what Bill sees as a “weak team.”  I think the inclusion as starters of Mirallas, Sandro, Besic, Vlasic, Rooney, DCL does not constitute a weak team.  Or at least demonstrably any weaker than a team that includes, for example, Lookman and Lennon as wings instead of Mirallas and Vlasic.  And although I expect Sigurdsson will come good over time, he hasn’t played particularly well so far, and I’d like to see Klaassen get an opportunity, minimally for the first half.  Similarly, Besic should play on Thursday, either as DM or as LB, where I adamantly insist that Baines should not be pushed to play 3 matches in 8 days, given the importance of the last of those 3.

Although, yes, it’s possible a team that includes the 6 players I’ve listed could get thrashed 0-5, it’s no more likely than a somewhat stronger team getting similarly smashed.

It strikes me there’s a likely advantage going forward to giving the players I’ve listed some pitch time against Atalanta, and a likely advantage to resting 6-8 regulars to save them for Southampton.

So if you play DCL and Rooney tonight, who plays up front on Sunday? 

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7 hours ago, Bill said:

I think he said play all the players who won't be playing against Southampton,  to me I think that means not the strongest side.  We need to play the best team possible and try to get the winning mentality back, or at least a decent performance, no good playing a weaker side and getting thrashed, Confidence would be shot going into the Southampton game.

Confidence for who, Bill? Are you honestly saying we should play the same team tonight and Sunday? Look at the record of teams playing Thursday and Sunday in the Europa. We can't do anything that risks Prem points at the moment. 

If we play the 'second string', these are players who haven't been in the first team by and large because they've been playing shite. Atlanta are a good side, there is every chance they best our fringe team anyway. So who gains confidence? All it takes is an injury up front or at CB and we're in trouble on Sunday. 

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44 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

No Jags or Holgate tonight.

Injured? Well confirms my point, if we play Keane and Williams tonight, then neither Jags and Holgate are fit for Sunday, we're playing two tired and out of form CBs. It's a recipe for disaster. Give Feeney and Foulds a go. 

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Just now, nogs said:

Injured? Well confirms my point, if we play Keane and Williams tonight, then neither Jags and Holgate are fit for Sunday, we're playing two tired and out of form CBs. It's a recipe for disaster. Give Feeney and Foulds a go. 

I think so.

Doubt Foulds is even in the thinking, but I could see Feeney playing seeing as he's been on the bench and Unsworth really rates him.

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15 hours ago, nogs said:

What does it matter? What would you rather do, go flat out and turn up at Southampton knackered so we get turned over?? 

We played kids against Borisov and Krasnodar when we'd qualified, I don't see why it's different now we're out? 

Because we need wins for confidence, and for the fans who will pay to turn up to watch a nothing game so that come Southampton they’re fired up. Confidence breeds confidence and we should be doing everything we can to start that ball rolling

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6 hours ago, nogs said:

So if you play DCL and Rooney tonight, who plays up front on Sunday? 

Rooney not up front tonight for me - Sandro and DCL.  Play Sandro full 90, sub out DCL in second half.  Ditto for Rooney, as I assume both DCL and Rooney must be available for major minutes on Sunday.

Niasse’s suspension for EPL, on top of ineligibility for EL, causes major headache.  We simply don’t have enough strikers, much less effective strikers.  All the more reason to play both Mirallas and Vlasic, perhaps using Mirallas at some point as second striker tonight.  Does playing Mirallas and Vlasic signal that Unsworth has selected a weak team tonight?  Not for me, as I think Mirallas and Vlasic are more likely to score a goal than Lennon or Lookman.  Admittedly Lennon - of whom I am a fan - is much better at tracking back.  But we need goals, speaking of confidence......

 

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Because we need wins for confidence, and for the fans who will pay to turn up to watch a nothing game so that come Southampton they’re fired up. Confidence breeds confidence and we should be doing everything we can to start that ball rolling

Your point about confidence is persuasive.  I’m just unsure which exact combo of players is the confidence-inspiring combo.  Unsworth has said he’ll put a strong team out there tonight, but because of injuries, Niasses’s ineligibility, and exhaustion factor for players such as Baines and Lennon, it seems to me that Unsworth has a particularly delicate juggling act to perform: how both to select a strong team tonight and prioritize Southampton.

 

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14 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

Rooney not up front tonight for me - Sandro and DCL.  Play Sandro full 90, sub out DCL in second half.  Ditto for Rooney, as I assume both DCL and Rooney must be available for major minutes on Sunday.

Niasse’s suspension for EPL, on top of ineligibility for EL, causes major headache.  We simply don’t have enough strikers, much less effective strikers.  All the more reason to play both Mirallas and Vlasic, perhaps using Mirallas at some point as second striker tonight.  Does playing Mirallas and Vlasic signal that Unsworth has selected a weak team tonight?  Not for me, as I think Mirallas and Vlasic are more likely to score a goal than Lennon or Lookman.  Admittedly Lennon - of whom I am a fan - is much better at tracking back.  But we need goals, speaking of confidence......

 

Your point about confidence is persuasive.  I’m just unsure which exact combo of players is the confidence-inspiring combo.  Unsworth has said he’ll put a strong team out there tonight, but because of injuries, Niasses’s ineligibility, and exhaustion factor for players such as Baines and Lennon, it seems to me that Unsworth has a particularly delicate juggling act to perform: how both to select a strong team tonight and prioritize Southampton.

 

The win helps the team not just the individuals who hopefully earn the win, so hopefully it shouldn’t matter too much who plays. I just don’t want us to throw any old players out there; if it’s not the starting 11, it has to be as close as possible to it

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Please don't put out a B-team or youngsters! The regular team needs to find confidence and work on their tactics. They need to play all the games they can and a win against Atalanta could be just what they need to turn this disaster around.

 

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

Because we need wins for confidence, and for the fans who will pay to turn up to watch a nothing game so that come Southampton they’re fired up. Confidence breeds confidence and we should be doing everything we can to start that ball rolling

 

1 hour ago, Peter H said:

Please don't put out a B-team or youngsters! The regular team needs to find confidence and work on their tactics. They need to play all the games they can and a win against Atalanta could be just what they need to turn this disaster around.

 

Look, we all see it differently, but I completely disagree. Psychologically, the players know this is a nothing game, I'd say it is very unlikely players can get themselves up to put in the sort of shift that will inspire the confidence you're looking for. Plus, Atalanta  have something to play for, they will be way more up for it than us. 

You can talk about winning every game, and getting on a roll all you want. But the facts are, tonight doesn't matter, Sunday does. What happens if you put out a strong side tonight, they get beat anyway, and then a tired dispirited side get beat on Sunday? I agree, we need to do everything we can to turn our season round... by getting on a roll in the Premier League. And we do that by resting players and giving them every chance to go out and beat Southampton on Sunday. 

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1 hour ago, Elston Gunnn said:

Rooney not up front tonight for me - Sandro and DCL.  Play Sandro full 90, sub out DCL in second half.  Ditto for Rooney, as I assume both DCL and Rooney must be available for major minutes on Sunday.

 

Or, we could play Sambou, Henen, Byrne or Broadhead tonight. 

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16 minutes ago, nogs said:

 

Look, we all see it differently, but I completely disagree. Psychologically, the players know this is a nothing game, I'd say it is very unlikely players can get themselves up to put in the sort of shift that will inspire the confidence you're looking for. Plus, Atalanta  have something to play for, they will be way more up for it than us. 

You can talk about winning every game, and getting on a roll all you want. But the facts are, tonight doesn't matter, Sunday does. What happens if you put out a strong side tonight, they get beat anyway, and then a tired dispirited side get beat on Sunday? I agree, we need to do everything we can to turn our season round... by getting on a roll in the Premier League. And we do that by resting players and giving them every chance to go out and beat Southampton on Sunday. 

Honestly, if the players can't play 2 games in 4 days then how do they expect to manage to play a world cup?

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9 minutes ago, Peter H said:

Honestly, if the players can't play 2 games in 4 days then how do they expect to manage to play a world cup?

Yep, that's the argument, but look at the record of PL teams who play Europa on  a Thursday then league on Sunday. Why take the risk when we're out already? 

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46 minutes ago, nogs said:

Or, we could play Sambou, Henen, Byrne or Broadhead tonight. 

I don’t think they are EL-eligible.  Unfortunately, players such as Coleman, Barkley, Holgate, and McCarthy are eligible but injured.  Niasse is healthy but ineligible.

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There was a mass brawl in town last night- German Atalanta fans kicking off- apparently they have a political following from all over Europe- hence the flood of requests for tickets from all over.

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

The win helps the team not just the individuals who hopefully earn the win, so hopefully it shouldn’t matter too much who plays. I just don’t want us to throw any old players out there; if it’s not the starting 11, it has to be as close as possible to it

I suppose we could argue about which players are the “any old” ones.  Clearly, starting all of Klaassen, Besic, Sandro, and Martina would be an “any old segment.”  But if we eliminate Martina as a starter, I’d welcome the other 3.  Further,  I wouldn’t concede that Mirallas and Vlasic are inferior to Lennon and Lookman as wingers.  I’m more confident that Kenny can give 90 energetic minutes both tonight and Sunday than I am about Baines.  Our lack of LB backup is a major problem when fixtures are crowded.

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13 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

I don’t think they are EL-eligible.  Unfortunately, players such as Coleman, Barkley, Holgate, and McCarthy are eligible but injured.  Niasse is healthy but ineligible.

They are I think. They can play for the same reason Beni was eligible despite not being registered in the main squad. 

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16 minutes ago, Paddock said:

There was a mass brawl in town last night- German Atalanta fans kicking off- apparently they have a political following from all over Europe- hence the flood of requests for tickets from all over.

Unleash the Haf!!!

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7 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

They are I think. They can play for the same reason Beni was eligible despite not being registered in the main squad. 

Didn’t know that.  So if Baningime is eligible, play him.  Unless he’s our best DM, in which case save him for Sunday (.......)  Play him both.  Plug Besic in at LB, admittedly dicey.

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1 hour ago, Paddock said:

There was a mass brawl in town last night- German Atalanta fans kicking off- apparently they have a political following from all over Europe- hence the flood of requests for tickets from all over.

Those would be Eintracht Frankfurt fans. Atalanta Ultras are hard-line anarcho-communists who idolise people like Che Guevara. They have a pact with Frankfurt Ultras who have the same political leanings. 

Italian and German football hooligans identify with sides of the political spectrum. Dortmund and Lazio are known for their right wing Ultras. It got so bad at Dortmund that the club employed a liaison officer at home games to try and deal with the Ultras, he got his head kicked in.

Celtic and Rangers draw their battle lines over religion, the Italians and Germans draw their battle lines over politics. It's just worrisome that they are now sending hooligans from other clubs to get involved in these skirmishes.

What are they going to do? Ban the Frankfurt fans from Atalanta games???

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3 hours ago, nogs said:

 

Look, we all see it differently, but I completely disagree. Psychologically, the players know this is a nothing game, I'd say it is very unlikely players can get themselves up to put in the sort of shift that will inspire the confidence you're looking for. Plus, Atalanta  have something to play for, they will be way more up for it than us. 

You can talk about winning every game, and getting on a roll all you want. But the facts are, tonight doesn't matter, Sunday does. What happens if you put out a strong side tonight, they get beat anyway, and then a tired dispirited side get beat on Sunday? I agree, we need to do everything we can to turn our season round... by getting on a roll in the Premier League. And we do that by resting players and giving them every chance to go out and beat Southampton on Sunday. 

If the players can’t get themselves up to put on a show for fans paying to watch them in a nothing (except a confidence-building, revenge and pride) game, then none of them deserve to wear the shirt or play either game  

I understand the argument to throw the game and “rest” for Southampton, I just don’t agree with it. So we’ll just see what happens I guess :)

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36 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Those would be Eintracht Frankfurt fans. Atalanta Ultras are hard-line anarcho-communists who idolise people like Che Guevara. They have a pact with Frankfurt Ultras who have the same political leanings. 

Italian and German football hooligans identify with sides of the political spectrum. Dortmund and Lazio are known for their right wing Ultras. It got so bad at Dortmund that the club employed a liaison officer at home games to try and deal with the Ultras, he got his head kicked in.

Celtic and Rangers draw their battle lines over religion, the Italians and Germans draw their battle lines over politics. It's just worrisome that they are now sending hooligans from other clubs to get involved in these skirmishes.

What are they going to do? Ban the Frankfurt fans from Atalanta games???

So if Frankfurt got to play Atalanta it'd be a big love-in; like to see that:lol:.

Opposing fans hugging each other-sweet.

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57 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Those would be Eintracht Frankfurt fans. Atalanta Ultras are hard-line anarcho-communists who idolise people like Che Guevara. They have a pact with Frankfurt Ultras who have the same political leanings. 

Italian and German football hooligans identify with sides of the political spectrum. Dortmund and Lazio are known for their right wing Ultras. It got so bad at Dortmund that the club employed a liaison officer at home games to try and deal with the Ultras, he got his head kicked in.

Celtic and Rangers draw their battle lines over religion, the Italians and Germans draw their battle lines over politics. It's just worrisome that they are now sending hooligans from other clubs to get involved in these skirmishes.

What are they going to do? Ban the Frankfurt fans from Atalanta games???

I didn't know that about Atalanta, a bit like St Pauli from Hamburg then? I was planning on going this match before we got knocked out, wish I had anyway now! 

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1 hour ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Those would be Eintracht Frankfurt fans. Atalanta Ultras are hard-line anarcho-communists who idolise people like Che Guevara. They have a pact with Frankfurt Ultras who have the same political leanings. 

Italian and German football hooligans identify with sides of the political spectrum. Dortmund and Lazio are known for their right wing Ultras. It got so bad at Dortmund that the club employed a liaison officer at home games to try and deal with the Ultras, he got his head kicked in.

Celtic and Rangers draw their battle lines over religion, the Italians and Germans draw their battle lines over politics. It's just worrisome that they are now sending hooligans from other clubs to get involved in these skirmishes.

What are they going to do? Ban the Frankfurt fans from Atalanta games???

Then, sadly, we're probably going to hear a number of racist chants,

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4 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Yep, my Italian friends say that the ultra left and right are both violent, racist thugs.

Hmm seems odd. I know there's still plenty of violence on the lefty ultra scene, but I've been to St Pauli and it's the sort of place you'd get your head kicked in for racist chanting. 

Anyway, European ultra culture is pretty bizarre at times. I mean who were these Germans fighting?? 

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