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Out. Tomorrow. Get the fuck out of this club.

I have many things to say about this set up, these tactics. I'm not going to waste my breath and I'm not going to renew my season ticket until this fucking fraud is out of my club.

In fact - I'm not going to go to goodison park until he's gone. Runing my club

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17 minutes ago, Aidan Lewis said:

Out. Tomorrow. Get the fuck out of this club.

I have many things to say about this set up, these tactics. I'm not going to waste my breath and I'm not going to renew my season ticket until this fucking fraud is out of my club.

In fact - I'm not going to go to goodison park until he's gone. Runing my club

I wish everyone with a season ticket would do the same until he's gone.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

This cunt better be gone in the summer. 

He is 1 million percent gone in the summer and he knows it. Worrying that Moshiri is willing to give him 50 mil to piss about with though although I suspect Tosun and Walcott were on Walshes say so which means he’s going nowhere.

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Tried to wash his hands of responsibility post match. I agree the players have to take flak too.  But he has to know what to expect from Keane, Schneiderlin, Martina, Williams, Bolasie. He has to know how poor we've been in the past trying to play 3 at the back. He has to know what our record is playing Gueye and Schneiderlin in midfield. He has to know what you get if you go to Arsenal and sit off with 7 defenders. 

So fuck off Sam. It was pathetic from you before a ball was even kicked. Get out of our club. 

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League record of each manager - updated.

Koeman: Played 9, Win 2, Draw 2, Loss 5, For 7, Against 18, Points 8
Average per game: For 0.8, Against 2.0, Points 0.9

Unsworth: Played 5, Win 2, Draw 1, Loss 2, For 10, Against 10, Points 7
Average per game: For 2.0, Against 2.0, Points 1.4

Allardyce: Played 12, Win 4, Draw 4, Loss 4, For 12, Against 17, Points 16
Average per game: For 1.0, Against 1.4, Points 1.3

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Who ever our no.1 target is get him in now - start fresh and wipe the slate. Give him the 12 games and say this is pre-pre season, gets us 8 points we don’t care but figure out who you want and who you don’t  then identify who we are bringing in and do this properly. I’d love to see the stat on how many different Defensive pairings we have had. It’s absolutey mind boggling and pathetic that his wanker is going on about constiency when all season we have put a consistent team out!

Mangala should never have started at Arsenal - away without time to bed in. I’m not ruling him out personally but that’s a Sunday league managerial decision. 

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Drop everybody who played well last week and bring in a load of shite players for an away game against Arsenal, fooking brilliant you useless fooker.

I think his ambition in life is to make the Club look like idiots, and he is succeeding.

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Its like being in the twilight zone, a few years ago our main concern and rightly so, was that we couldn't close a game out. That we were so focused on attacking it came at the expense of defence. 

We made some bad transfers but we had little money and had to pad out few quality signings with bargains, all in all we went relatively well and other clubs didn't dare take us lightly.

Fast forward to now and it feels like that was a golden age. The manager is a reflection of the owner and our manager has no idea what he is doing/ is well out of his depth.

For the first time ever I have grave concerns for the future of our club.

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Did I read that right.... the managers tactics were...

Sawnsea played well against them, so we copied them! Is that all it takes to be a premier league manager. 

And he couldn’t even do that right! 

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He is a deluded fool of a man. He thinks that he can change the team formation and the players around each game and expect them to be able to play together as a unit. Add to that he coats himself in an extra layer of teflon each day, to ensure that none of the blame sticks to him. If he had come out after the game yesterday and said " we'll I got that wrong" I'd possibly have some respect for him, but he's laying it 100% on the players after making changes and talking about being consistent.

it all beggars belief, we need to get rid now, there's only one way he is taking the club, and it's the wrong way.

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I dont think i have ever been this dissappointed with the management team before.

then again the team is not far behind either. Gutless, scared, anxious, toothless. 

It seems as if they dont know what to do, where to be or how to act which is again up to the management but management cannot account for the lack of heart on display atm. 

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What pissed me off with his post match interview was the excuses, he openly said he copied the Swansea set up and tactics and then blamed the players for not executing them properly, for openly saying that he should be sacked, we are not Swansea there manager is far superior than him and he's paid 6M a year to come up with his own tactics based on the players at this club not mimic others, fuck me we can all do that look at a replay of a team that won last week then tell the players that's what you've got to do, simple this management lark just play like Man City. Moshiri put the cheque in the post please.

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Whatever credit he gets for keeping Sunderland and palace up is completely undone by the state of the club when he leaves. Both total shambles. Hodgson trying to save palace, Sunderland couldn’t find a solution. 

Instilling a belief that 40 pts is good enough is despicable. Get out now before our next manager can’t fix this mess. It would take Jesus reincarnated at this point. 

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The players we have bought is the main issue. We have bought shite. Pickford definitely has improved us. Gilfi maybe and early doors Theo. Sam is another Moyes try and stifle the better teams and don’t go for the win. I’ll give him till the end of the season. There’s is a lot of winnable games coming up. If he carries on setting the team in the crack handed manner he can go before the end of the season

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We have a big problem to be honestm if we get rid of Sam now after just signing  him up makes us look like a sacking club  and who could we get of quality to replace him with in that case,  besides I am not sure we could survive a debacle like the last time.

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On 2018-02-03 at 11:03, Aidan Lewis said:

Out. Tomorrow. Get the fuck out of this club.

I have many things to say about this set up, these tactics. I'm not going to waste my breath and I'm not going to renew my season ticket until this fucking fraud is out of my club.

In fact - I'm not going to go to goodison park until he's gone. Runing my club

Right Aidan - he’s saved us from relegation using his shitty tactics. It was looking far worse before he got here. Call a spade a spade and thank the man for doing what he was brought in for. Expecting anything else is just fool hearty...

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14 hours ago, Finn balor said:

The players we have bought is the main issue. We have bought shite. Pickford definitely has improved us. Gilfi maybe and early doors Theo. Sam is another Moyes try and stifle the better teams and don’t go for the win. I’ll give him till the end of the season. There’s is a lot of winnable games coming up. If he carries on setting the team in the crack handed manner he can go before the end of the season

I think your misunderstanding what the mans job is. It’s to save Everton from relegation this year. He won’t be around next year. His contract is more of a reward than a guaranteed tenure. We’ll have a new manager shortly after reaching 40 points.

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10 hours ago, rubecula said:

We have a big problem to be honestm if we get rid of Sam now after just signing  him up makes us look like a sacking club  and who could we get of quality to replace him with in that case,  besides I am not sure we could survive a debacle like the last time.

Sam was always a stop gap. Apart from Dyche we need to go for a top foreign Manager who can instill a ball possession type of mentality to Everton. I believe we do have the players for this but the squad is as fragile mentally as I’ve seen them in the last 10 years. 

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5 hours ago, Jeff the Canadian Bluenose said:

Sam was always a stop gap. Apart from Dyche we need to go for a top foreign Manager who can instill a ball possession type of mentality to Everton. I believe we do have the players for this but the squad is as fragile mentally as I’ve seen them in the last 10 years. 

no idea who would want to come here though.

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6 hours ago, Jeff the Canadian Bluenose said:

Right Aidan - he’s saved us from relegation using his shitty tactics. It was looking far worse before he got here. Call a spade a spade and thank the man for doing what he was brought in for. Expecting anything else is just fool hearty...

Has he? I'd argue he's made it more of a possibility than it was because of his shitty tactics. There is absolutely nothing that excuse of a manager deserves any thanks for.

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As i said before we have had 3 managers this season and non of them could get a tune out of this lot, bad buys piss poor scouting, and something fundamentally wrong in our DNA since the big money take over, Sam was brought in to save us from relegation, but he has spent between 50 and 60 mil and we look worse. The more we spend the worse we get and no one at the top seems to be taking control. Get the man you want to manage them now we who the board want, and let him work out what he wants for the summer do not wait till the summer to act. Stop throwing money away on short term projects and plan for the future.

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Until this morning I had read only the OS text version of Allardyce’s postmatch comments, which, significantly, left out his outrageous statement about “writing this season off as quick as we can.”  Admittedly, he did phrase it weirdly, by adding “by staying in the Premier League.”

I have no idea how the players will react to his refusal to accept any part of the blame.  Surely they will not have missed his self-exculpatory reference to the irrelevance of formations and systems.

We have a confident prediction in a new thread that we’ll reach 40 points in our next 5 matches.  In a normal season, such a prediction would be reasonable, as we’d normally think we should take 6 points at home to Palace and Brighton, and “should” win one of the upcoming away matches.  But Allardyce’s half-truth analysis of what went wrong against Arsenal seems more likely this week to deepen the gloom around every aspect of the club.  We’re in a vey bad place.

Anyone reading Allardyce’s comment is going to focus more on “write off” than on “staying in.”  Most will be offended by “write off,” and will not be entirely mollified by the addition of “staying in.”  They will think “staying in” is a cynical attempt to balance “write off.”

As I posted yesterday in the relegation thread, we’re in danger of a disastrous downhill momentum moment.  Allardyce’s write off blunder increases the danger and adds to that momentum.  Lose to Palace and the momentum gathers speed, write off looks like the plan, staying in becomes a dogfight.

I hope he doesn’t write off Palace, and the season, by playing 7-2-1 again.

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No one can tell me that a side containing Rooney, Pickford, Sig, Tosun, Bolaise, Walcott, Davies, Coleman is a fundamentally bad one.

Yes its lop sided and yes there are flaws but something is happening behind the scenes at Everton that is causing chaos.

Allardyce is an idiot but he's the 3rd manager we've had this season - there must be something more going on.

Reminds me of when Eto was here.  Results improved after he left.  I wonder if there are one or two bad eggs (could even be coaching staff)?

It could be Moshiri!

 

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I agree. You see those players and wonder how we can be doing so badly. 

I honestly think we should get rid of Scniederlin. I don’t see what he offers at all. I o to see that when he played, we look boring and an easy touch. Remember the rumours about him and Mirralas. Well his friend has been shipped out... let that sink in.

wasnt to funny that our intensity with Davies and Gana side by side was completely different. Having players who are prepared to roll their socks up runs off on the other players. Having Coleman back will be a major plus. Just his enthusiasm will do a lot to the players around him.

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25 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

all the sam backers just now realized how detrimental to clubs he really is.  leaving a wake of destroyed confidence, young players, and results behind him.  

It's truly baffling that anyone expected anything but that, in my opinion. 

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56 minutes ago, jofanon said:

No one can tell me that a side containing Rooney, Pickford, Sig, Tosun, Bolaise, Walcott, Davies, Coleman is a fundamentally bad one.

Yes its lop sided and yes there are flaws but something is happening behind the scenes at Everton that is causing chaos.

Allardyce is an idiot but he's the 3rd manager we've had this season - there must be something more going on.

Reminds me of when Eto was here.  Results improved after he left.  I wonder if there are one or two bad eggs (could even be coaching staff)?

It could be Moshiri!

 

 

Just after the match the other day a good friend of mine that works in production at NBC here in the states just causally mentioned our 'troubled locker room' as if I could expand upon it. It wasn't a surprise but I obviously don't have any details. He's a neutral that just loves football, and sound engineering! But his supplemental evidence was what he heard an analyst saying off camera (could be anything and anyone, I know) but also Martinez on set not too long ago also saying things to that effect. 

So that's not a clear explanation for anything, but it was information from someone who isn'tt really all that invested in Everton and thought he was spouting common knowledge to someone.

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

I agree. You see those players and wonder how we can be doing so badly. 

I honestly think we should get rid of Scniederlin. I don’t see what he offers at all. I o to see that when he played, we look boring and an easy touch. Remember the rumours about him and Mirralas. Well his friend has been shipped out... let that sink in.

wasnt to funny that our intensity with Davies and Gana side by side was completely different. Having players who are prepared to roll their socks up runs off on the other players. Having Coleman back will be a major plus. Just his enthusiasm will do a lot to the players around him.

It's great to have players who put effort in and run for the team but they have to do it with purpose and structure, not like a headless chicken which Gana is constantly guilty of, he's a complete negative in the team constantly Jay walking, missed timed tackles in areas which hurt us, can't read the game pretty poor really.

Now Davies is a everything he isn'tt he knows when to go when to stay doesn't allow players to ghost past him, and leads by example at a young age which I find inspiring.

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Can’t agree there. I thought he had a very good game against Leicester. Him and Davies were looking after each other’s performances. They both spent a lot of time in their half as well.

Gana suffers from ball chasing at times, but he is an important player for us and keeps that engine room ticking over. The problem is more when he has the wrong partner with him. 

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4 hours ago, jofanon said:

No one can tell me that a side containing Rooney, Pickford, Sig, Tosun, Bolaise, Walcott, Davies, Coleman is a fundamentally bad one.

Yes its lop sided and yes there are flaws but something is happening behind the scenes at Everton that is causing chaos.

Allardyce is an idiot but he's the 3rd manager we've had this season - there must be something more going on.

Reminds me of when Eto was here.  Results improved after he left.  I wonder if there are one or two bad eggs (could even be coaching staff)?

It could be Moshiri!

 

Its Walsh, what makes me so suspicious of him is that after the Koeman sacking and Unsy spoke to the first team squad, Walsh spoke to them alone without Unsy. Why would he do that. In my opinion he is the power behind the thrown, undermining managers or at least sewing confusion.

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5 hours ago, Matt said:

Has he? I'd argue he's made it more of a possibility than it was because of his shitty tactics. There is absolutely nothing that excuse of a manager deserves any thanks for.

We are watching two different seasons son. Look at the table and be honest with yourself. Sams got to go but in the end job done in his eyes. 

3 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Its Walsh, what makes me so suspicious of him is that after the Koeman sacking and Unsy spoke to the first team squad, Walsh spoke to them alone without Unsy. Why would he do that. In my opinion he is the power behind the thrown, undermining managers or at least sewing confusion.

Agreed- common denominator in all this is Walsh. He has got to go yesterday.

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3 minutes ago, Jeff the Canadian Bluenose said:

We are watching two different seasons son. Look at the table and be honest with yourself. Sams got to go but in the end job done in his eyes. 

Agreed- common denominator in all this is Walsh. He has got to go yesterday.

Couldn't care less about what he sees. As for the table, I'm a lot more nervous now than I was before he took over.

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I thought we were more capable of picking up points before he got here. We could score goals. Ok we had a bad run, but we seemed to be starting to perform better.

Since he has been here we have been terrible other than one result. We need to turn this around right now or we will be dragged into a relegation scrap.

Sam has had a negative effect on the team. I can’t see anything positive so far at all, absolutely nothing. I feel depressed watching us!

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9 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I thought we were more capable of picking up points before he got here. We could score goals. Ok we had a bad run, but we seemed to be starting to perform better.

Since he has been here we have been terrible other than one result. We need to turn this around right now or we will be dragged into a relegation scrap.

Sam has had a negative effect on the team. I can’t see anything positive so far at all, absolutely nothing. I feel depressed watching us!

It looks like the players are depressed playing for Allardyce.

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1 minute ago, London Blue said:

Indeed.

It was the absolute worst, amateur decision to appoint him. We were in a really bad run, but we so often have been before Christmas. With Moyes, we never really got doing until the new year, but we always got things together. The premature panic appointment of the "relegation specialist" was a huge fuck you to the team and the fans, made by someone who's been handed a blank cheque-book by a well-intentioned, but incredibly naive and inexperienced, majority shareholder. It was a massive kick to the stomach of a fan base and squad that was up on the ropes after the Koeman disaster; it's put us in danger.

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1 minute ago, Matt said:

It was the absolute worst, amateur decision to appoint him. We were in a really bad run, but we so often have been before Christmas. With Moyes, we never really got doing until the new year, but we always got things together. The premature panic appointment of the "relegation specialist" was a huge fuck you to the team and the fans, made by someone who's been handed a blank cheque-book by a well-intentioned, but incredibly naive and inexperienced, majority shareholder. It was a massive kick to the stomach of a fan base and squad that was up on the ropes after the Koeman disaster; it's put us in danger.

Appoint at haste, repent at leasure.

They panicked and got bounced into it by a team in trouble, and elements of the press who wanted Allardyce to get the job, apparently for no other reason than to see if they could do it.

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Don't be silly I could have saved them from relegation, what he has done is ruin efc as a footballing club, any other manager would have them  in 6th place.
He should be removed ASAP and all those customers who have paid good money to watch that rubbish should be refunded and apologized to.

Sorry Bill but to say any other manager would have us in 6th , even excluding the fact two other managers have already spectacularly failed to get anything out of this shower of shite, is beyond delusional




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Just watched Watford carve open Chelski......they seem LIGHT FUCKING YEARS ahead of us in every aspect, yet we are still one place ahead of them? Bizarre. I wish we played like Watford did today. Geri scored too. 

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44 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


Sorry Bill but to say any other manager would have us in 6th , even excluding the fact two other managers have already spectacularly failed to get anything out of this shower of shite, is beyond delusional



 

Sorry Dunc I meant 7th.

We have played the worst football I have seen in many a year, I agree we were bad before he came but Unsy had a good win playing decent football then he came, he kept the same team Unsy had the week before and made it back to back wins, since then we have gone downhill.

He has never played the same team twice, he makes 3 or 4 changes and continually changes tactics, the players look as if they don't want to play and are beaten before they come onto the pitch.  Yet we are only 4 or 5 points off 7th place, should have left Unsworth in charge they would be playing with a bit more pride now and would have got more points than they have.

It's no good people saying he came here to keep us up and he's done the job, any manager would have kept this squad up, I still believe we can finish  7th but that's not because of him, he has removed any football capabilities the players had by insisting that ten men stay behind the ball in our own half, what he's doing is driving the club to the point of ridicule, I want him out asap.

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We have played the worst football I have seen in many a year, I agree we were bad before he came but Unsy had a good win playing decent football then he came, kept the same team Unsy had the week before and made a good start, since then we have gone downhill.
He has never played the same team twice, he makes 3 or 4 changes and continually changes tactics, the players look as if they don't want to play and are beaten before they come onto the pitch.  Yet we are only 4 or 5 points off 6th place, should have left Unsworth in charge they would be playing with a bit more pride now and would got more points than they have.
It's no good people saying he came here to keep us up and he's done the job, any manager would have kept this squad up, I still believe we can finish sixth, but that's not because of him, he has removed any football capabilities the players had by insisting that ten men stay behind the ball in our own half, what he's doing is driving the club to the point of ridicule, I want him out asap.

I’m not trying to defend Allardyce , I didn’t want him but could empathise with the decision to bring him in

I thought , given his track record, that he was a necessary evil. I thought he would do what he’s always done and made us organised and hard to beat. The first few weeks it looked like that was exactly what was happening . We’ve since reverted back to the same old shite that was happening under Koeman and Unsworth.

There in lies my point, I said before Koeman was sacked that I didn’t think any manager could mould this bunch of misfits into anything resembling a decent football team and that still stands

Your kidding yourself if you honestly believe thing were any different under Unsworth , the Southampton game being a prime example

The problems are far deeper than the manager and how Walsh is still in a job is beyond me. Our recruitment policy has been nothing short of a disaster






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8 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:


Which is totally bizarre given we were in a far more precarious position before he came

Not even close. There were twice as many points still to play for and a transfer window before he got here. He has squandered any chance of making a good impression and gotten us further into the shit

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I don’t het why people don’t see what happened? Yes we lost badly to Southampton and in a Euro dead rubber, but we also performed much better for the rest of Unsworths matches. Results were up and down, but generally we were better. 

Sam came along, and like Bill said, kept Insworths team together and gained another result.... then he changed it.... do we need to go on?

Not sure how anyone can’t see that this is the worst football for a fair few years. It’s laughable, it’s horrible to watch, it’s aouls destroying for the players to have to play this way. Is it a surprise that so many asked to get away this transfer window?

The fact is that neither Koeman, Unsworth or Sam are good enough. Though either of them would have saved us from relegation.... Jimmy the kit man could also do that.... fuck me, let Rooney take charge, he could save this team from relegation.

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