London Blue Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Peter H said: I dont hate Sam the man. I just hate the idea of him at Everton. Sam is anti-football, every football loving fan should hate what he does to teams. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 hours ago, London Blue said: Sam is anti-football, every football loving fan should hate what he does to teams. yes absolutely but to hate the man is harsh. I don't know him. Hate what he is doing to Everton though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I hold no malice towards him- he’s inherited an absolute bunch of shithouses, an unbalanced, disinterested zero moral bunch of players, he had no left back or striker of any sorts to work with and has just been left with a bunch of mish mash. His job was to keep us in the prem, as long as he does that I’m at peace with the whole situation. I honestly think we’ll pay him off in May and I also think deep down inside in his heart of hearts he knows this. Let’s just get to the magical 40 points- we only need 13 out of 45 available and put this whole sorry mess behind us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Paddock said: I hold no malice towards him- he’s inherited an absolute bunch of shithouses, an unbalanced, disinterested zero moral bunch of players, he had no left back or striker of any sorts to work with and has just been left with a bunch of mish mash. His job was to keep us in the prem, as long as he does that I’m at peace with the whole situation. I honestly think we’ll pay him off in May and I also think deep down inside in his heart of hearts he knows this. Let’s just get to the magical 40 points- we only need 13 out of 45 available and put this whole sorry mess behind us. Let's hope you're right on all counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 He's good at what he does- but what he does is not what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 16 hours ago, MikeO said: Apart from the Swansea game. And Watford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 52 minutes ago, Matt said: And Watford And West Ham considering what happened the game before! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Peter H said: yes absolutely but to hate the man is harsh. I don't know him. Hate what he is doing to Everton though. I don't hate him as a person, I find that hate does more harm to the person that feels it than it does to the target. I hate what he does to football playing teams. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 He’s got till the end of the season for me then I will decide. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 He's good at what he does- but what he does is not what we need.We need to stay in the Premiership so I would say we do need what he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: We need to stay in the Premiership so I would say we do need what he does Actions taken were drastic. We weren't going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: We need to stay in the Premiership so I would say we do need what he does Anybody can do what he does Dunc, playing eleven men in your own half and having one shot at goal in four games is fookin disgusting, you or i and any Tom, Dick or Harry could do that every week.. markjazzbassist, MikeO, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: We need to stay in the Premiership so I would say we do need what he does Are you really confident on the evidence of the last four league games that he can do that though? We have 27 points but I really don't see where the next one is coming from; we can't defend and we can't get a shot on the opponent's goal so how in the World are we going to get another thirteen points unless he does something different. Whatever it is he "does" he is so far failing to do for us. Romey 1878 and nogs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Actions taken were drastic. We weren't going down.And you know this how?We had conceded the most amount of goals in the division and were plummeting down the table rapidly We were not just losing we were getting battered and played off the park. All the hallmarks of a team in danger of relegation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Anybody can do what he does Dunc, playing eleven men in your own half and having one shot at goal in four games is fookin disgusting, you or i and any Tom, Dick or Harry could do that every week..Ha ha then we are all in the wrong job ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Are you really confident on the evidence of the last four league games that he can do that though? We have 27 points but I really don't see where the next one is coming from; we can't defend and we can't get a shot on the opponent's goal so how in the World are we going to get another thirteen points unless he does something different. Whatever it is he "does" he is so far failing to do for us.No I’m not confident at all, I think we are shite, but I have a lot more faith in Allardyce pulling it off than I do Unsworth Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: And you know this how? We had conceded the most amount of goals in the division and were plummeting down the table rapidly We were not just losing we were getting battered and played off the park. All the hallmarks of a team in danger of relegation I wouldn't know, but I can educate my guess. There are teams below us that are much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 50 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: We need to stay in the Premiership so I would say we do need what he does You mean not have a shot this calendar year then state we need to be more boring in attack? That is how you get into relegation trouble MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Aidan Lewis said: I wouldn't know, but I can educate my guess. There are teams below us that are much worse. Who on recent evidence? I can't think of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I wouldn't know, but I can educate my guess. There are teams below us that are much worse.At the time he took over there were not many teams below us and we had just been played off the park by three teams down there with us We had conceded the most goals in the division , I would be interested to hear what teams you think are worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, MikeO said: Who on recent evidence? I can't think of one. I said we wernt going down, not we won't now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: At the time he took over there were not many teams below us and we had just been played off the park by three teams down there with us We had conceded the most goals in the division , I would be interested to hear what teams you think are worse There are 10 teams below us. My opinion is we wouldn't have gone down. I still doubt we will. Sam was the wrong choice and I don't believe many people think that he was the right choice. I may be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 You mean not have a shot this calendar year then state we need to be more boring in attack? That is how you get into relegation troubleHe did not say more boring in attack he said more boring in his team selection .He should maybe have chosen his words better but I agree with what he was getting at When he first came in he immediately sorted out the defence and we stopped conceding goals and started picking up points and rising up the tableOnce it looked like we were out of trouble he started to do what most fans wanted him to do and started playing more attack minded players and all of a sudden we start getting battered again and are now in real danger of getting sucked back in to a relegation scrap So it makes perfect sense to me that we go back to basics againThese players have failed miserably under 3 separate managers now and still some people think the problem is the manager. When do you start thinking maybe it’s the players that are the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: He did not say more boring in attack he said more boring in his team selection .He should maybe have chosen his words better but I agree with what he was getting at When he first came in he immediately sorted out the defence and we stopped conceding goals and started picking up points and rising up the table Once it looked like we were out of trouble he started to do what most fans wanted him to do and started playing more attack minded players and all of a sudden we start getting battered again and are now in real danger of getting sucked back in to a relegation scrap So it makes perfect sense to me that we go back to basics again These players have failed miserably under 3 separate managers now and still some people think the problem is the manager. When do you start thinking maybe it’s the players that are the problem? When there’s acually some stability and they’ve been given some consistency. I’ve banged on about it 100 times, but the summer upheaval was always going to create this mess. West Ham did it with Bilic one season, bringing in 11 players and letting 5-7 go - that should’ve been as big a warning as anyone needed. But new money created excitement and the unrest had we not gone on a spending spree would’ve been crazy. Then there was massively delayed sacking of Koeman, the limbo Unsworth worked under for a month and a manager who came in, and to his credit helped improve the defence, before showing why he only ever gets jobs are clubs under threat. Im not excusing the players from playing poorly by the way. I just know they’re better than we’re seeing. I could ask you the same question about the manager and hierarchy too StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I class Rooney as a decent player. I class Sigurdson as a decent player. I class Williams as a competent player. I still class Baines as a good player. I class Morgan as a good player, although his form is shit. Bolasie, easily good enough for top ten. Lookman, Vlasic and DCL, along with Davies and Benni are very good prospects that would get game time in the top ten. These players ARE good enough for a top ten side. They are! The most average boring manager should be able to get this lot I to the top ten and stay there. It’s not a feat, it’s minimum expectation. If we can’t get a shot on target, while Stoke, West Bromwich, Huddersfield, Watford and others can.... then there is seriously something wrong with the set up of our club and team. markjazzbassist, Matt and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 zidane might be out of work soon here, bring him in moshiri, stroke your ego with a big name manager. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 There are 10 teams below us. My opinion is we wouldn't have gone down. I still doubt we will. Sam was the wrong choice and I don't believe many people think that he was the right choice. I may be wrong though.Just to refresh your memoryhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42042018We were 16th in the table, 2 points off the relegation zone and 4 off the bottom of the table. We were on a downward spiral and a complete mess . I love your confidence but that is far too close for me Paddock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I class Rooney as a decent player. I class Sigurdson as a decent player. I class Williams as a competent player. I still class Baines as a good player. I class Morgan as a good player, although his form is shit. Bolasie, easily good enough for top ten. Lookman, Vlasic and DCL, along with Davies and Benni are very good prospects that would get game time in the top ten. These players ARE good enough for a top ten side. They are! The most average boring manager should be able to get this lot I to the top ten and stay there. It’s not a feat, it’s minimum expectation. If we can’t get a shot on target, while Stoke, West Bromwich, Huddersfield, Watford and others can.... then there is seriously something wrong with the set up of our club and team.It may have escaped your notice but Baines and Bolasie have been injured most of the season and that in itself is a major part of the problem I seriously doubt there is a single team in the Premiership, and probably not the Championship either, where Coco would get a game at LB I’ve been consistent in my opinion all season , I don’t think any manager could have gotten much out of this shower of shite I agree that there is a massive problem with our club , we are shite The squad is completely unbalanced , to expect any manager to get top 10 with this lot is a big ask IMO , especially with no LB and no CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: He did not say more boring in attack he said more boring in his team selection .He should maybe have chosen his words better but I agree with what he was getting at When he first came in he immediately sorted out the defence and we stopped conceding goals and started picking up points and rising up the table Once it looked like we were out of trouble he started to do what most fans wanted him to do and started playing more attack minded players and all of a sudden we start getting battered again and are now in real danger of getting sucked back in to a relegation scrap So it makes perfect sense to me that we go back to basics again These players have failed miserably under 3 separate managers now and still some people think the problem is the manager. When do you start thinking maybe it’s the players that are the problem? That's not really true though. Go look at the team he put out first game v Huddersfield - only Gana who is an out and out defensive midfielder, Rooney in the middle with Davies. So I don't know what he means by 'boring' in his team selection. The worst team he has put out to my mind so far was playing McCarthy, Gana and Schneiderlin at Bournemouth, and we have been fucking abysmal since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Going back looking through the team line ups, there's a case for saying it really started to go wrong v West Brom when he decided to play 5 at the back. Interestingly that was also the first time he didn't start Lennon as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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