markjazzbassist Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Throwaway game here. Will be interesting to see what big sam decides to do. Play the youngsters and fringe players to see who is gonna be in his plans and who won’t. Derby is around the corner so starters will need to be rested. Robles martina keane Jags baines Beni besic Vlasic klaassen lookman DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Throwaway game here. Will be interesting to see what big sam decides to do. Play the youngsters and fringe players to see who is gonna be in his plans and who won’t. Derby is around the corner so starters will need to be rested. Robles martina keane Jags baines Beni besic Vlasic klaassen lookman DCL Sandro for DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Attention obviously needs to be on Liverpool and protecting the likely starters for that. Given Apollon have nothing to play for either, this seems a really good opportunity to get games/form into certain players and to see what options we've got. I'd like to see something like this, all of these players should be keen to impress. Robles Besic Keane Jags Martina Beni Schneiderlin Klaassen Vlasic Lookman Sandro Injuries depending, I'd look at playing Mirallas, Feeney, and DCL off of the bench. Expecting DCL to be a starter against Liverpool, but getting as much confidence as possible into him can only be good for the team. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I like Besic and would like to see him get a game but right back is a big no no, swap him for Schneiderlin and I think that would be an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 This is going to be the ideal game for Sam to try his own thing or take a look at some of the other players. A win would be good to continue our momentum... we all saw how it affected us last time.... but we should have squad players that can get a result. Matt, Newty82, rubecula and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 30/11/2017 at 00:41, markjazzbassist said: Throwaway game here. Will be interesting to see what big sam decides to do. Play the youngsters and fringe players to see who is gonna be in his plans and who won’t. Derby is around the corner so starters will need to be rested. No such thing for us at the moment Mark 9 hours ago, Shukes said: This is going to be the ideal game for Sam to try his own thing or take a look at some of the other players. A win would be good to continue our momentum... we all saw how it affected us last time.... but we should have squad players that can get a result. agree 100% good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Isaiah Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 ^^ Really hope that's true. I don't care who plays, where they play, in what formation, and who manages them, so long as it involves nobody who will feature on Sunday. Liverpool need to take their midweek match very seriously, so let them tire themselves out while we rest and work on the Derby's game plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Apollon is also eliminated, so the result has no outcome on the competition- no need to play any players that we want to feature on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I'm not into all this playing weak teams, if players can't play two games (3 hours) of football a week without feeling tired they need to have a serious look at themselves. They should go and have a chat to Eddie Izzard (a non athlete) who ran 27 marathons in 27 days. We need to get a settled team, wholesale changes do nothing but cause disruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bill said: I'm not into all this playing weak teams, if players can't play two games (3 hours) of football a week without feeling tired they need to have a serious look at themselves. They should go and have a chat to Eddie Izzard (a non athlete) who ran 27 marathons in 27 days. We need to get a settled team, wholesale changes do nothing but cause disruption. I don’t think it’s so much about tiredness, but the coaching team wanting to spend as much time drilling the players on the game plan for the derby. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quinn31 Posted December 4, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: I don’t think it’s so much about tiredness, but the coaching team wanting to spend as much time drilling the players on the game plan for the derby. I don't get how it can take so long to explain to all the lads to sit on the edge of our 18 yard box and then hoof it up to DCL if the ball comes to your feet. Newty82, Matt, Btay and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Bill said: I'm not into all this playing weak teams, if players can't play two games (3 hours) of football a week without feeling tired they need to have a serious look at themselves. They should go and have a chat to Eddie Izzard (a non athlete) who ran 27 marathons in 27 days. It's not a suitable comparison in my opinion. Izzard isn't running at an elite level. He may run those marathons but he sure as shit doesn't win them. I could easily play 90 minutes of football every day of the week, it doesn't mean I could do it at elite level. If we were at home on Thursday then I'd say keep the team together, but the fact it's a long flight away, back late night, Friday's training mostly physio work, then Saturday to prepare...the statistics show that teams simply perform worse the match after a Europa away game. nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Bill said: wholesale changes do nothing but cause disruption. It's not going to disrupt the team that are going to play Liverpool if they all stay at Finch Farm to prepare; that's like saying an under 23 game on a Thursday would disrupt the first team's weekend match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Isaiah said: It's not a suitable comparison in my opinion. Izzard isn't running at an elite level. He may run those marathons but he sure as shit doesn't win them. I could easily play 90 minutes of football every day of the week, it doesn't mean I could do it at elite level. Your right Isaiah it's not a suitable comparison, to run 26 miles for six days of the week equaling about 150 miles and still having the bottle to get up and do it again on Sunday. That's about 3 hours running every day, your telling me that these supreme athletes can't play football for 3 hours a week. ? This is not about doing anything in an elite way it's about covering a certain amount of distance and getting tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 hours ago, MikeO said: It's not going to disrupt the team that are going to play Liverpool if they all stay at Finch Farm to prepare; that's like saying an under 23 game on a Thursday would disrupt the first team's weekend match. I can't wait to see what team actually plays, we could end up being fined by FIFA or the FA if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 No Bill, I'm not saying they "can't play football for 3 hours a week". I'm saying it's difficult to do it at the optimum level if you don't take rests. I don't know why you're getting hung up on some guy running a bunch of consecutive marathons as if that actually means something in this context. You may have noticed professional marathon runners never do that, and there's a reason for it. But fine, let's use your reasoning. Let's say that between now and Sunday, Everton organise proper matches for the first 11 every single afternoon against professional opposition. Just to instill some Eddie Izzardian guts and "bottle" in them and prepare them for facing Liverpool at the weekend. You support this idea? After all, if Eddie can run 150 miles a week, these fairies ought to be able to play 9 hours of football between now and Sunday, right? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bill said: I can't wait to see what team actually plays, we could end up being fined by FIFA or the FA if that's the case. Dead game for both sides in a dead group Bill, if us putting out an under strength side in a game that impacted anyone else's qualification then maybe we'd be punished, but in the circumstances I don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Not going to get into an argument with you Isiaih, to me this is just about professional footballers feeling tired after 3 hours of football a week, these supreme athletes have the best doctors, trainers, diatricians and God know what else, so if they feel tired something is very very wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 13 minutes ago, Bill said: Not going to get into an argument with you Isiaih, to me this is just about professional footballers feeling tired after 3 hours of football a week, these supreme athletes have the best doctors, trainers, diatricians and God know what else, so if they feel tired something is very very wrong. I’ll hop in to say this: Point taken. You aren’t wrong. But, as MikeO pointed out, the argument doesn’t actually apply here. We are going to put out what is essentially a reserve side, not to rest players for Sunday, but because both Everton and Apollon have already been eliminated from the competition. So, the more apt line of reasoning is to suggest that we (1) won’t want to risk injury to key players ahead of a meaningful match and (2) will want to keep our best 11 focused on preparing for a meaningful match, rather than waste valuable time on a match that has nothing at stake beyond pride, confidence, and comfort within a new tactical system. It’s essentially a mid-season friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Plus if you put out a proper reserve side and lose it won' dent confidence. If you play the first team (or most of) and they lose then it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Quite a unique idea actually. I'm all for it if it helps us against the Redshite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 At last we are acting like a professional club. Pointless game. Shakespeare taking us? Sensible. I didn’t want Sam but I tell you what he seems to know what he is doing. Under 23s with benni and mirrallas as capt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Mirallas and Schneiderlin better not sniff the field. FFS don’t let them wear blue ever again. Get the fuck out. Don’t know how else to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-everton-youngsters-who-could-13994904 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 19 hours ago, Finn balor said: At last we are acting like a professional club. Pointless game. Shakespeare taking us? Sensible. I didn’t want Sam but I tell you what he seems to know what he is doing. Under 23s with benni and mirrallas as capt Mirallas can't captain his own piss pot Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Robles Feeney Keane ?? Martina Klaassen McCarthy Baningime Vlasic Sandro Lookman Subs: Hewelt Charsley Broadhead Denny Hornby Collins ?? Rested: Pickford Williams Jags Rooney Lennon Gueye Gylfi Niasse Davies DCL Holgate Kenny Out: Baines Bolasie Barkley Besic Seamus Mori Fuck off: Mirallas Schneiderlin Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Robles Feeney Keane ?? Martina Klaassen McCarthy Baningime Vlasic Sandro Lookman Subs: Hewelt Charsley Broadhead Denny Hornby Collins ?? Rested: Pickford Williams Jags Rooney Lennon Gueye Gylfi Niasse Davies DCL Holgate Kenny Out: Baines Bolasie Barkley Besic Seamus Mori Fuck off: Mirallas Schneiderlin Who goes right back then? That’s only 10, right? edit: the ?? Is a player, not questioning if Keane should start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/05/everton-sam-allardyce-miss-europa-league-game http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-u23s-draw-derby-offer-13999610 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/05/everton-sam-allardyce-miss-europa-league-gamehttp://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-u23s-draw-derby-offer-13999610"Everton, who have recorded the worst performance in the competition by an English team in history"It hurts to the core to read that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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