markjazzbassist Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Rafa has them playing well but I don’t feel like they have a strong squad. Weak strikers, ok midfield, ok defense. If we would attack I would be confident. But it’s away with Big Sam which means parked bus and pray for a draw. pickford kenny holgate williams baines gana Schneiderlin vlasic rooney gylfi DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Rafa has them playing well but I don’t feel like they have a strong squad. Weak strikers, ok midfield, ok defense. If we would attack I would be confident. But it’s away with Big Sam which means parked bus and pray for a draw. pickford kenny holgate williams baines gana Schneiderlin vlasic rooney gylfi DCL No he doesn’t, they’re in terrible form. barryj, chicagoblue and Quinn31 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'm hoping we have more of the ball this game and can free up Rooney to play up top. Pickford Kenny Holgate Williams Besic Baningime Lennon Davies Sigurdssen Vlasic Rooney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: No he doesn’t, they’re in terrible form. For a newly promoted side they’re not in the relegation zone which to me is playing well. I expect most promoted sides to get relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: Rafa has them playing well but I don’t feel like they have a strong squad. Weak strikers, ok midfield, ok defense. If we would attack I would be confident. But it’s away with Big Sam which means parked bus and pray for a draw. pickford kenny holgate williams baines gana Schneiderlin vlasic rooney gylfi DCL I doubt we'll play for a draw. We'll be looking at this knowing we can get 3 points. Yes, We'll take a catious approach but it won't be on scale that we seen at Anfield. I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: For a newly promoted side they’re not in the relegation zone which to me is playing well. I expect most promoted sides to get relegated. They’ve won one of their last 6 games. That’s not playing well no matter what. barryj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I got the impression from Allardyce’s pre-derby press conference that Baines might be out for awhile, weeks. Anybody remember such a comment? If yes, I absolutely dread seeing Martina at LB again on Wednesday. Is it even conceivable Allardyce thinks Martina played ok today? Might this be a case of “no good answer left,” so that no matter Allardyce’s selection, the selection will be bad, and he may think Martina is bad, but the least-bad possibility? Isn’t a less-bad option 3 at the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, pete0 said: I'm hoping we have more of the ball this game and can free up Rooney to play up top. Pickford Kenny Holgate Williams Besic Baningime Lennon Davies Sigurdssen Vlasic Rooney I expect Rooney to be back in deep midfield again, back to the same team that beat Huddersfield (depending on fitness). Allardyce is keen to avoid overloading players so he might swap a couple out. 48 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said: I got the impression from Allardyce’s pre-derby press conference that Baines might be out for awhile, weeks. Anybody remember such a comment? If yes, I absolutely dread seeing Martina at LB again on Wednesday. Is it even conceivable Allardyce thinks Martina played ok today? Might this be a case of “no good answer left,” so that no matter Allardyce’s selection, the selection will be bad, and he may think Martina is bad, but the least-bad possibility? Isn’t a less-bad option 3 at the back? My impression at the end of today's game was that whilst he didn't have any cover for Martina and therefore couldn't really take him off, he brought on Jags to play on his side to move him a little further away from the penalty area because he was a massive risk at that point which was a smart move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I was expecting this game to be a rebuilding job after a battering against Liverpool but seeing as we're still unbeaten under Allardyce I'm actually optimistic heading into this one. Newcastle have been in awful form and if it wasn't for the absolute dross in this league like West Ham and Crystal Palace hogging the lime-light they would be getting scrutinised a lot more than they are doing at the moment, to put it bluntly I'll be dissapointed with anything other than three points against the Toon. 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: For a newly promoted side they’re not in the relegation zone which to me is playing well. I expect most promoted sides to get relegated. They're two points above 18th, if we beat them in the week they could be in there which would go against your theory. Despite having a little bit of clout Newcastle really are under-achieving and if it looks to be going pear shaped around February/March expect Rafa to start making noises about leaving to save face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I agree it should be 3 points but fear away means parked bus. Hope I’m wrong. Really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Are Newcastle under achieving? I would have expected them to be in the bottom 3 already and they are creating chances without necessarily having anyone put them away. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 If we play like we did yesterday against this shite I'll blow a gasket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: If we play like we did yesterday against this shite I'll blow a gasket. As would I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Newcastle will go down they are awful. Surely we have a young left back somewhere that can play? 0-2 win DCL and Lennon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Bailey said: Are Newcastle under achieving? I would have expected them to be in the bottom 3 already and they are creating chances without necessarily having anyone put them away. My sentiments as well. Dwight Gayle leading the line, and we thought niasse was shit 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 In trying to figure out a good lineup, several limitations. (1) We have no competent LB. Baines looks out for another week or more. If Allardyce prefers 4 at the back, he must choose the least-bad option among nothing but bad options. (2) Davies does not seem to be at the top of his game recently. (3) Rooney can probably play 60-70 minutes on short rest, as he has more emotional energy than the vast majority of our players. His best position is Deep Lying Playmaker. So ..... Pickford Kenny Holgate Williams Jagielka Gana Rooney Lookman Sigurdsson DCL Niasse 2d half subs: if behind, Vlasic, Mirallas; if ahead, from among Lennon, Schneiderlin, Davies, Besic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Jagielka can't play LB. It would have to be Besic (or Lennon with Kenny switching) I think... I cant think of anyone else? chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, Bailey said: Jagielka can't play LB. It would have to be Besic (or Lennon with Kenny switching) I think... I cant think of anyone else? McCarthy RB and Kenny LB? Besic at RB also. i think besic and McCarthy the only ones who have played fullback for us in a pinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, markjazzbassist said: McCarthy RB and Kenny LB? Besic at RB also. i think besic and McCarthy the only ones who have played fullback for us in a pinch. I'd forgotten about McCarthy but I'm not sure he is fit either. I dont know whether Feeney could play full back? I think the moral of the story is that we have terrible cover at full back! markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Bailey said: I'd forgotten about McCarthy but I'm not sure he is fit either. I dont know whether Feeney could play full back? I think the moral of the story is that we have terrible cover at full back! even the limassol match we had carlsey an ACM playing fullback! the backups for our backups are even out of position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Jagielka can't play LB. It would have to be Besic (or Lennon with Kenny switching) I think... I cant think of anyone else? There are no good options, only bad ones. Happens in life repeatedly. Kenny is probably the least bad, but he’s played so well at RB recently that it seems unwise (to me) to move him to LB. I have advocated Besic as preferable to Martina, but radio commentary on his play Thursday at CH was nervous. I’m perhaps alone in thinking Jagielka - not a LB to be sure - is least bad option. I think Martina is the worst of the lot of bad options, but I fear Allardyce will stick with him there. I’d even put Schneiderlin at LB ahead of Martina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Martina Martina Martina Martina Martina Martina Martina Martina Martina Martina Martina 442, no nonsense line up. Hopefully we don't cuco it up. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said: Honestly, some of you are fucking grinding my gears with your negativity. I get it, you don't like Sam Allardyce, but give it a rest now. We're still unbeaten under his stewardship and I don't see that changing here. We'll roll these over because they play exactly the way some of you muppets seem to want Everton to do. They mindlessly attack and have no thoughts about defending. I'm sure their fans love being relegated every other year. In the Premier League it's about keeping clean sheets and scoring the first goal. I'm confident that we can keep a clean sheet against these and so then it goes on to scoring the first goal. Sam has inherited a squad that isn'ttt exactly bristling with super star attacking talent so it HAS to be a bit defensive until he can add more effective players. We're still in a situation where a bad result can break our confidence. Get a good 2-0 away win against this lot and another win in our next game and we can really start believing that we've turned a corner. Para 1 totally agree with, para two, do not underestimate Newcastle, I have myself at times. Para three I agree with para four is very true. last para, I am not sure of but you may be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said: Honestly, some of you are fucking grinding my gears with your negativity. I get it, you don't like Sam Allardyce, but give it a rest now. We're still unbeaten under his stewardship and I don't see that changing here. We'll roll these over because they play exactly the way some of you muppets seem to want Everton to do. They mindlessly attack and have no thoughts about defending. I'm sure their fans love being relegated every other year. In the Premier League it's about keeping clean sheets and scoring the first goal. I'm confident that we can keep a clean sheet against these and so then it goes on to scoring the first goal. Sam has inherited a squad that isn'ttt exactly bristling with super star attacking talent so it HAS to be a bit defensive until he can add more effective players. We're still in a situation where a bad result can break our confidence. Get a good 2-0 away win against this lot and another win in our next game and we can really start believing that we've turned a corner. I knew I liked you. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesey05 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I would like to see: Pickford kenny Holgate. Williams . Besic . Gana Lennon . Rooney. Lookman . Gylfi DCL hate seeing Rooney and Gylfi used out wide and having to defend. Lennon and Lookman have the pace and energy to get up and back. IMO Besic would be fine at LB. markjazzbassist and chicagoblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I would like to see: Pickford Kenny Holgate Williams Besic Gana Davies Lookman Gilfy Vlasic DCL Rest Rooney as he played Sunday and have him on the bench if necessary. I would like to see Lookman and Vlasic as they have pace to burn and that will hurt Newcastle. Besic at left back as at least he wont be brushed off the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I have a tactical formation question about this specific match, relating to the fact that we have no good option at LB: might (and/or should) Allardyce go with 3 at the back? Such as ..... Pickford Holgate Williams Jagielka Kenny Gana Lennon/Davies Rooney Lookman Sigurdsson DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcirony Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think it's all academic as Martina will retain his position. At the end of the day we've conceded 1 goal in the last 3 PL games so Allardyce will stick with him. Hopefully he spends a fair amount of time on the training ground with him this week though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Pickford Holgate Williams Jags Kenny Gana Lookman Rooney Gylfi Vlasic DCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Matt said: Pickford Holgate Williams Jags Kenny Gana Lookman Rooney Gylfi Vlasic DCL I like the look of that team, almost exactly the same as mine, same line up but just one player the difference. I'd have Lennon for Lookman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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