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There are so many things that the manager plainly did wrong for this game. Any one of us here could have told him this, they are so obvious.

1) Playing Schneiderlin and Gueye together in midfield. How many more times must this happen for our manager to realize it never works?

2) Making yet more changes to our defensive setup. We need stability at the back. This was the worst possible game to bring in Mangala.

3) Starting Martina on the left. This is the gift that keeps on giving for our opponents. They target that side of the pitch.

4) Starting Niasse and leaving Tosun on the bench. Niasse is super-sub, not starter. And treating Tosun this way is terrible man-management.

5) Bringing off Walcott when he was one of few of our players trying hard to swim against the tide.

These are basic basic errors. There's no point blaming the players. They are hardly going to be motivated when the manager demonstrates a fundamental inability to either understand the club, prepare for games properly, or read how games are going. His lack of passion on the sidelines reveals the fact that all he cares about is money. What loss is it to him that we play so badly?

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Had 85 minutes to think about what disgusts me most about this performance. I think it's the fact that we are in one competition now. Fuck two games in 4 games, fuck home and away, fuck sports science and so-called tactics. It should be winning XI stays on from now on in. I can excuse the Coleman change, the rest is just a disgrace. Keane, Schneiderlin and Bolasie should be nowhere near starters for us at the moment. 

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7 minutes ago, nogs said:

Had 85 minutes to think about what disgusts me most about this performance. I think it's the fact that we are in one competition now. Fuck two games in 4 games, fuck home and away, fuck sports science and so-called tactics. It should be winning XI stays on from now on in. I can excuse the Coleman change, the rest is just a disgrace. Keane, Schneiderlin and Bolasie should be nowhere near starters for us at the moment. 

Bolaise has some semblance of an excise

morgan and Michael are absolute shithouses and I want them out of the club tomorrow.

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Just now, jofanon said:

Bolaise has some semblance of an excise

morgan and Michael are absolute shithouses and I want them out of the club tomorrow.

Yeah I agree but he should be coming on for 15-20 minutes at a time and building up to fitness. He keeps getting asked to play 90 and just looks awful. Keane and Schneiderlin, yeah, we fucked up, same as with Klaassen. Just stop playing them. 

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5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Sorry but Bolasie is a terrible player. He was terrible befor and he’s terrible now. 

The injury was bad and shit for him but he’s just not good enough. It’s that simple. 

I wouldn't disagree to be honest. I'd rather see Lookman playing for us. 

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8 minutes ago, nogs said:

If only one of the players had the balls to stand up, throw a water bottle in his face and tell him it was pathetic, pathetic tactics. 

We might as well have walked out of the tunnel with the captain waving a white flag, that would've best signaled the manager's game plan.

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Don't see why only the manager is getting abuse. He picked the players, he never told them not to put a foot in. Too many players aren't arsed whether we win or lose. Schneiderlin, Gana, and Keane should never play for the club again, absolutely no commitment to the club. Be surprised if we've won a game were all 3 of them started. Alladyce doesn't like losing, annoyingly went for a clean sheet and nick a goal tactic, whereas some of these lot couldn't give a fuck about the result. If the players can't stick to a game plan for 20 minutes then they need looking at more than the manager. 3 down in 20 minutes is a disgrace when you've set up for a clean sheet. You can't blame the manager for that, that's all on the player's heads. 

One positive it looks as Davies should be starting every week from now on. 

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25 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Don't see why only the manager is getting abuse. He picked the players, he never told them not to put a foot in. Too many players aren't arsed whether we win or lose. Schneiderlin, Gana, and Keane should never play for the club again, absolutely no commitment to the club. Be surprised if we've won a game were all 3 of them started. Alladyce doesn't like losing, annoyingly went for a clean sheet and nick a goal tactic, whereas some of these lot couldn't give a fuck about the result. If the players can't stick to a game plan for 20 minutes then they need looking at more than the manager. 3 down in 20 minutes is a disgrace when you've set up for a clean sheet. You can't blame the manager for that, that's all on the player's heads. 

One positive it looks as Davies should be starting every week from now on. 

I agree, of course players have to take blame. But they don't decide to make 5 changes to a team that just won, play 3 at the back when it suits none of our defenders, play 7 defensive specialists, play no one with any kind of vision and creativity in the centre... Like I say, agree with you, but buck stops with Allardyce for playing those players who are not up to it, in a formation that was nailed on to get beat. 

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16 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Don't see why only the manager is getting abuse. He picked the players, he never told them not to put a foot in. Too many players aren't arsed whether we win or lose. Schneiderlin, Gana, and Keane should never play for the club again, absolutely no commitment to the club. Be surprised if we've won a game were all 3 of them started. Alladyce doesn't like losing, annoyingly went for a clean sheet and nick a goal tactic, whereas some of these lot couldn't give a fuck about the result. If the players can't stick to a game plan for 20 minutes then they need looking at more than the manager. 3 down in 20 minutes is a disgrace when you've set up for a clean sheet. You can't blame the manager for that, that's all on the player's heads. 

One positive it looks as Davies should be starting every week from now on. 

I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Allardyce put together a back 3 (when we’re tactically comfortable with 2 CBs), started Mangala (who hasn’t had even a week of training), sent out a pairing of Gana and Schneiderlin (who we haven’t seen work well together for a solid year), neglected to play anyone who can connect play in midfield (Rooney or Sigurdsson, for instance), played Martina as LWB (when he can just barely do a job at LB), started Bolasie and Niasse (each of whom works hard, but they serve us better as subs), and clearly had no plan for how we would use the ball (you can’t ONLY defend with your backs to the wall—you need to relieve pressure somehow). The man is an absolute idiot. He set them up for failure and they failed. Maybe some of them downed tools (I really don’t think they did, except for maybe Schneiderlin, but he’s been shit all season). But, they were trying to protect a fort with nerf guns and one hand tied behind their backs. I wouldn’t blame them for downing tools, if they did. Allardyce is the worst type of English manager. Tactically clueless and dependent entirely upon his ability to motivate. 

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At the end of the day what has happened to the days of that’s our best eleven here’s our best eleven and let’s have a match? All this bollocks about tactics does my head in. Football is football. He picked a shite shite team. Second half when the shackles were off we looked dangerous. Coincidence? I don’t think so. Williams,Keane,Martina,Morgan,should be nowhere near the first team. Lookman should have been kept and vlasic should be in there. The man looks deafeated and lost. Wouldn’t surprise me he walks 

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I don't agree with the team he picked, but he put his reasons out there. He's watched Swansea beat them comfortably last week and tried to adopt their game plan. Players wise that falls on Walsh's head, and it speaks volumes how shit a job he's done when they can't even emulate Swansea. Biggest difference they had heart, our lot couldn't care less. 

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9 minutes ago, nogs said:

I agree, of course players have to take blame. But they don't decide to make 5 changes to a team that just won, play 3 at the back when it suits none of our defenders, play 7 defensive specialists, play no one with any kind of vision and creativity in the centre... Like I say, agree with you, but buck stops with Allardyce for playing those players who are not up to it, in a formation that was nailed on to get beat. 

Frankly, I don't blame the players for this debacle. Here's why.

Imagine you work for a team with an important project to complete. Someone is appointed manager and determines how to go about the task. He tells you to do this, someone else to do that, and so on. Before long, you realize this approach is not going to complete the project on time - or even at all. The manager, though, calls all the shots. He swaps you out of your role, moves your neighbor to a different role, and dinks around with the project plan almost every day. Before long, everyone's lost confidence, and motivation goes down the toilet. "What's the point in me doing this? The project is going nowhere. Being associated with it, my reputation will take a hit." Frankly, it doesn't matter what you're paid in a situation like this: It's very difficult to remain motivated.

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1 hour ago, Louis said:

 

He is flesh and bone version of Eric Cartman, it is always someone else.

If you are making 5 changes on a winning team and completely changing formation, you can not blame someone else. Looks like to me, most of his players doesn't give a s... about him/his outdated managerial and/or tactical abilities and lost their faith already. 3-4 of them still trying to do their best but can't tell the same for the rest.

Out of curiosity, what was the last time Everton played with 3 central defenders and 2 wing backs? I mean, is it a familiar tactical stance for Everton defenders at all?

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For once I agree Gana was a headless chicken. But it was down to necessity, rather than a lack of ability.

The fella was having to do his own job, which is difficult enough on it’s own. Then he was also having to do Schneiderlin’s job, because he’s the biggest shithouse going. He was also tasked with covering for Kenny and Martina, who put in two awful wing-back performances (particularly Kenny). As if all that wasn’t enough, Mangala kept popping up in truly bizarre positions and he had to help out the other two CB’s who were having a torrid time themselves. 

It’s no wonder he looked like a headless chicken when he literally had to race all over the pitch putting out fires he hadn’t even fucking caused. 

He, Walcott, Niasse and Pickford are the only starters that can have any chance of being able to look our fans in the eye. 

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Alan Shearer on today's game:

"From an Everton point of view, if ever there was an example of football coming back to bite you, it was this - after Sam Allardyce suggested in his press conference before the game that Arsenal's defence was weak. Everton were all over the place. They were embarrassing. They were hopeless defensively in the first 45 minutes."

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5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Sorry but Bolasie is a terrible player. He was terrible befor and he’s terrible now. 

The injury was bad and shit for him but he’s just not good enough. It’s that simple. 

Exactly, I just don' get it. He pops up every now and then with a bit of magic but after that you don't see him for a couple of  months. 

4 hours ago, pete0 said:

Don't see why only the manager is getting abuse. He picked the players, he never told them not to put a foot in. Too many players aren't arsed whether we win or lose. Schneiderlin, Gana, and Keane should never play for the club again, absolutely no commitment to the club. Be surprised if we've won a game were all 3 of them started. Alladyce doesn't like losing, annoyingly went for a clean sheet and nick a goal tactic, whereas some of these lot couldn't give a fuck about the result. If the players can't stick to a game plan for 20 minutes then they need looking at more than the manager. 3 down in 20 minutes is a disgrace when you've set up for a clean sheet. You can't blame the manager for that, that's all on the player's heads. 

One positive it looks as Davies should be starting every week from now on. 

Confidence is a big thing in football and if you have a manager that keeps changing the way you play, what do you expect. I saw several players in that first half who weren' sure what to do. Whether to close, whether to stick, whether to get forward or whether to hold their position. When that happens its natural to 2nd guess yourself and doubt what you are doing. Whereas normally you might put a foot in, if you aren't  sure what your meant to be doing you bottle it.

4 hours ago, JoeQuince said:

I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Allardyce put together a back 3 (when we’re tactically comfortable with 2 CBs), started Mangala (who hasn’t had even a week of training), sent out a pairing of Gana and Schneiderlin (who we haven’t seen work well together for a solid year), neglected to play anyone who can connect play in midfield (Rooney or Sigurdsson, for instance), played Martina as LWB (when he can just barely do a job at LB), started Bolasie and Niasse (each of whom works hard, but they serve us better as subs), and clearly had no plan for how we would use the ball (you can’t ONLY defend with your backs to the wall—you need to relieve pressure somehow). The man is an absolute idiot. He set them up for failure and they failed. Maybe some of them downed tools (I really don’t think they did, except for maybe Schneiderlin, but he’s been shit all season). But, they were trying to protect a fort with nerf guns and one hand tied behind their backs. I wouldn’t blame them for downing tools, if they did. Allardyce is the worst type of English manager. Tactically clueless and dependent entirely upon his ability to motivate. 

This is also a very good point. 

3 hours ago, pete0 said:

I don't agree with the team he picked, but he put his reasons out there. He's watched Swansea beat them comfortably last week and tried to adopt their game plan. Players wise that falls on Walsh's head, and it speaks volumes how shit a job he's done when they can't even emulate Swansea. Biggest difference they had heart, our lot couldn't care less. 

It doesn' fall on Walsh at all. Allardyce should look at the player he has and consider whether they can play the same way. He clearly thought then lyceum could when they couldn't. Kease has always looked fucking dreadful in a back 5 yet was asked to play there. Allardyce should know by now as to what suits and what doesn't.

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A gif of the Aubameyang goal just popped up on my timeline and in the background you can see Cuco ambling back which just sums up last night.

Barely anyone gives a shit and instead of helping each other out they are just standing there watching. 

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7 hours ago, Bailey said:

It doesn' fall on Walsh at all. Allardyce should look at the player he has and consider whether they can play the same way. He clearly thought then lyceum could when they couldn't. Kease has always looked fucking dreadful in a back 5 yet was asked to play there. Allardyce should know by now as to what suits and what doesn't.

I think it falls on the whole club, actually, and that includes Walsh. The disconnect between manager and DoF is just staggering. I just don't see how that relationship works / is working unless the manager and DoF are on the same page. If they can't agree, then bring in a manager who knows what he wants and get rid of the DoF. Walsh is bringing in players who aren't ready (maybe never will be) for the PL, Tosun being the latest expensive example. We can't afford that. A lot of people hate Allardyce on this board and want him to fail before a ball is kicked. As he's the manager of Everton, I don't really get that. The situation is what it is. Maybe he's not the right man, maybe Koeman was, or Unsworth was, although I saw nothing in either. The bottom line is we need to get to 40 points and reassess in the summer. Some big decisions need to be taken. Blame Allardyce all you want, but the players and Walsh deserve equal blame and criticism. Collectively, the whole thing is a mess.  

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6 minutes ago, Formby said:

I think it falls on the whole club, actually, and that includes Walsh. The disconnect between manager and DoF is just staggering. I just don't see how that relationship works / is working unless the manager and DoF are on the same page. If they can't agree, then bring in a manager who knows what he wants and get rid of the DoF. Walsh is bringing in players who aren't ready (maybe never will be) for the PL, Tosun being the latest expensive example. We can't afford that. A lot of people hate Allardyce on this board and want him to fail before a ball is kicked. As he's the manager of Everton, I don't really get that. The situation is what it is. Maybe he's not the right man, maybe Koeman was, or Unsworth was, although I saw nothing in either. The bottom line is we need to get to 40 points and reassess in the summer. Some big decisions need to be taken. Blame Allardyce all you want, but the players and Walsh deserve equal blame and criticism. Collectively, the whole thing is a mess.  

On the whole I agree when you look at what has happened over the last 4 windows but you can't blame Walsh for not providing Sam with the players to play like Swansea. This just also shows how reactive Sam is, surely he has three knowledge and experience to come up with a better tactic than the EPL rookie manager in charge of Swansea? 

Walsh should be going for the demise he has overseen while at the club, but when Allardyce makes such stupid tactical decisions as he did yesterday then people have every right to question the manager too.

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Gutless, Spineless, Clueless, right through manager and players, we have had three managers this season who can not get  a tune out of this lot why.

We have spent over 200 mil and are worse than last year, walsh has not found a single player who has worked out that i could not have picked.

There is something rotten to the core at EFC and i dont know were you start to put it right, but someone inside the club has to sort it out.

I waited till this morning to see if i had calmed down but i feel more angry than ever.

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18 minutes ago, Bailey said:

On the whole I agree when you look at what has happened over the last 4 windows but you can't blame Walsh for not providing Sam with the players to play like Swansea. This just also shows how reactive Sam is, surely he has three knowledge and experience to come up with a better tactic than the EPL rookie manager in charge of Swansea? 

Walsh should be going for the demise he has overseen while at the club, but when Allardyce makes such stupid tactical decisions as he did yesterday then people have every right to question the manager too.

Absolutely. He got it wrong yesterday - massively. But that still doesn't excuse the collective turd the players all dropped. That's on them. I mean, Schneiderlin, why is he still here? Who said no to West Ham's 20million? That's an appalling decision. 

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They're all paid too much. We've tried to pay players top wages to compete with the other teams in the top 6 but all we have done is sign mercenaries with no affiliation to the club what-so-ever.

The transfer activity since Moshiri came in has been disastrous with only Pickford and Walcott now looking like decent signings.

We need a complete mentality shift from top to bottom. Trying to hang with the big boys isn'tt working, we are making bad signings and paying over the odds for mediocre players.

We should go back to basics a bit and look to get the best bang for the buck. Fans might rail on Gueye but he didn't cost £30m+ like most of the other players that are seriously underperforming.

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10 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

They're all paid too much. We've tried to pay players top wages to compete with the other teams in the top 6 but all we have done is sign mercenaries with no affiliation to the club what-so-ever.

The transfer activity since Moshiri came in has been disastrous with only Pickford and Walcott now looking like decent signings.

We need a complete mentality shift from top to bottom. Trying to hang with the big boys isn'ttt working, we are making bad signings and paying over the odds for mediocre players.

We should go back to basics a bit and look to get the best bang for the buck. Fans might rail on Gueye but he didn't cost £30m+ like most of the other players that are seriously underperforming.

Completely agree. We need young hungry players, or players with a point to prove. Even if they view us as a stepping stone, at least they have the motivation to do that!

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

Completely agree. We need young hungry players, or players with a point to prove. Even if they view us as a stepping stone, at least they have the motivation to do that!

We have plenty here and out on loan, but they don't get played.  The same old faces are picked time and time again to play their usual rubbish.

Fat Sam says he doesn't pick them because they lack experience, so he picks Schneiderlin, Williams, Bolasie, Keane, and Rooney, they all have masses of experience but they still play utter shite.

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