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Having an option to build to that size is not free. It would mean spending quite a lot of money on something that the club will never need.

 

Plus it's worth realising the world is changing. Numbers of punters in the stands won't be that important anymore.

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80,000 is just not from this world. Santiago Bernabeu holds 81,000. That's Real Madrid's stadium and they have about 6 million people in the catchment area (greater Madrid). Old Trafford holds 75,000 and again, Manchester is much bigger. Chelsea have been successful for quite a while and they plan to build a 60,000 seater. In London.

 

80,000 is just fine for hosting music concerts and other events. We need to think more expansively. Top tiers can always be closed for regular games and opened for the most popular games/events. A stadium is a money-maker, and not just from football games.

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Having an option to build to that size is not free. It would mean spending quite a lot of money on something that the club will never need.

 

Plus it's worth realising the world is changing. Numbers of punters in the stands won't be that important anymore.

 

the thing is Makis lots of punters don't want to sit at home watching on tv it just doesn't compare to being there at the game.

I can understand the reasons why they do it though.

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Having an option to build to that size is not free. It would mean spending quite a lot of money on something that the club will never need.

 

Plus it's worth realising the world is changing. Numbers of punters in the stands won't be that important anymore.

 

I couldn't tell you the cost of doing it, but it's far cheaper to do it the beginning than without having the option for it. Take the Park End for example. If the Park End was designed with a future Goodison in mind then we could have had an extra tier on there plus moved the pitch towards there allowing for a larger Gwladys Street. When we were getting sub 20000 crowds the early 90s fans were scoffing at the need for a new Park End to take us to 40,000.

 

How much would Man United have missed out on if they thought, oh well we'll never need more than 45000.

 

One period of Everton domination, and a whole new generation of new fans will come along.

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If the Clarence dock site could be looked at, the St.Louis (NFL) stadium proposal, looks like something we could adopt.

 

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It's similar to the Kings Dock proposal, but with less of a bowl shape. It has more of a modern Nou Camp feel to it.

 

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I like that it has one very high pitched side/end, could easily become the new GS. Or like Newcastle, stick the away fans far away.

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If the Clarence dock site could be looked at, the St.Louis (NFL) stadium proposal, looks like something we could adopt.

 

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It's similar to the Kings Dock proposal, but with less of a bowl shape. It has more of a modern Nou Camp feel to it.

 

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I like that it has one very high pitched side/end, could easily become the new GS. Or like Newcastle, stick the away fans far away.

That looks very impressive. although I can not see it happening, I do like it

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Sorry Dunc, am I missing something? Has this been discussed already (been away)?

 

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This was an image from an Architect's website apparently, it generated a lot of buzz and has subsequently been taken down.

 

Some people with incredibly deft detective skills, also noticed the below in the recent Kone contract signing....

 

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Apparently it's a mock up of the ground above, which I think looks pretty cool.

 

It reminds me of the Stade Pierre-Mauroy I went to, to watch our boys play Lille. Both my old man and I agreed, that something of that kind, would be ideal for Everton.

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I'd love a city centre stadium - absolutely love it.

As far as access goes it would be a massive plus for rail but parking would be a killer!

What parts of the city are ripe for improvement these days?

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As far as access goes it would be a massive plus for rail but parking would be a killer!

What parts of the city are ripe for improvement these days?

It should have been edge lane years ago.

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Because of my location, I'm not up to speed on what the situation is now, but I went to the derby game 3 years ago (another draw!)and got the free bus from Sandhills station. It was an easy way to do it but getting back out was a f'n nightmare....just a couple of buses doing the run and there were hundreds of fans waiting.

Anyway, I digress. At Bank Hall I saw hundreds of acres of wasteland and disused factories and wharves....doing nothing! Surely the land can be turned into something useful like a stadium. Good rail links, good road access not far away on Scottie Rd.and Stanley Rd., heaps of parking space....etc.A good idea?

Was the Kings Dock thing a good option access-wise and why is it not happening?

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There was some talk about Sandhills some years ago as part of a regeneration scheme but there's been nothing since. AFAIK, Peel controls the docks areas and is not interested in any stadiums.

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They need to open that Canada train line that runs by the ground. We're so far behind the likes of London with transport. It will also encourage more businesses to the area making it more viable for Everton to go for concepts like the Goodison Hotel.

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It should have been edge lane years ago.

 

Still possible isn't it?

 

Was the Kings Dock thing a good option access-wise and why is it not happening?

 

Because they built this....

 

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No, the land is being used for further hospital development I think.

yes they are building on it right now even before any demolition just put tower crane up yesterday my guess is more flats.

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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-set-bid-host-2026-11176825

 

is 2026 too long to wait for a big stadium ala Man City? Personally I think it is...

 

unless what we do is have a stadium built that we can use asap which can convert to a track etc for when the games are on... split the cost or whatever...

 

we may even be able to have it close to a train station .........................................................................

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Far far too long, 2020 should be a realistic target. But having a stadium that could house such an event, certainly wouldn't do the bid any harm.

 

would they go for a stadium that had been 6 years in use for a commonwealth games if they had to front a fair chunk of cash for it? It may affect the bid...

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Perfect opportunity with this, can be a complete win win.

 

Rebuild the Park End to the 47,000 capacity Elstone said was achievable as soon as possible. Its not idea long term but for the best part of ten years it doesn't have to be amazing. It would only have to be big enough to cover the additional seating and some additional corporate seating or boxes.

 

Then move into a Commonwealth stadium in 2027 after the required adaptations have been made.

 

We would then have a better capacity, more unobstructed seating, and a better corporate profile to move into the new stadium a decade down the line.

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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-set-bid-host-2026-11176825

 

is 2026 too long to wait for a big stadium ala Man City? Personally I think it is...

 

unless what we do is have a stadium built that we can use asap which can convert to a track etc for when the games are on... split the cost or whatever...

 

we may even be able to have it close to a train station .........................................................................

Absolutely. And what happens if the bid is rejected? We lose a year or 2 hoping and set ourselves back!

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Perfect opportunity with this, can be a complete win win.

 

Rebuild the Park End to the 47,000 capacity Elstone said was achievable as soon as possible. Its not idea long term but for the best part of ten years it doesn't have to be amazing. It would only have to be big enough to cover the additional seating and some additional corporate seating or boxes.

 

Then move into a Commonwealth stadium in 2027 after the required adaptations have been made.

 

We would then have a better capacity, more unobstructed seating, and a better corporate profile to move into the new stadium a decade down the line.

 

a logical approach - we would need to have the bid in the bag first though. Surely Edmonton can't get it again, they had it in 78.

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The track would be removed. Look at the Etihad.

 

And the Olympic stadium the West Ham are moving into. Although I think I'm right in saying that the track is staying, just being covered by retractable seating so it can still be used for athletics at times.

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And the Olympic stadium the West Ham are moving into. Although I think I'm right in saying that the track is staying, just being covered by retractable seating so it can still be used for athletics at times.

 

 

Is that what West Ham are doing? wow! That must be expensive

 

West Ham wanted to get rid of the track but it was part of the deal that it had to stay as part of the Olympic Legacy bullcrap.

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I just thought they had to deal with it, I knew it had to stay fit for athletics, but fair play to them because I'm sure they've got the government to pay for the adaptations.

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I am in liverpool for a few weeks. 3rd time in 30 years. I went for a walk on the cycle track from Knotty Ash to Walton Hall Park. Just past Norris Green I saw a great looking modern stadium unfortunately it was Anfield and to the right you could just make out the main stand of Goodison and it looked like a shed. I love Goodison Park but from that distance it looked so old and dated compared to the shites place. I think that the most important thing for our club is to update Goodison or move to a new Stadium. Living in Australia I have such a romantic vision of our stadium but today i realised how far behind a lot of clubs we are..

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Kind of glad because I'm not a fan of building on parks, playing fields or general open green areas.

 

There is so much land taken up by Shitty old buildings that every new development should be forced to use that before using any nice green areas.

 

Just a personal opinion of course.

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Goodison isn't really an option to be upgraded imo. We need a new ground

 

it was posted by SteveO while you were away but it could be done. rebuild the park end stand and create corporate boxes there to create 47000 capacity. that would keep it going for another decade and then could be looking for another place to build in the meantime.

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Trouble is your always going to be limited with Goodison in terms of expenditure adding surrounding faculties to draw in revenue etc plus it would likely cost more or won't be far off

 

Doing it as a temporary solution is just wasting time and money IMO

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Sounds like Moshiri has come in and reined on wasted time.

Probably moved further forward more in three months than we have in three years.

 

Going to be an interesting next twelve months.

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it was posted by SteveO while you were away but it could be done. rebuild the park end stand and create corporate boxes there to create 47000 capacity. that would keep it going for another decade and then could be looking for another place to build in the meantime.

I've doubt it can be done but the other 3 stands are falling apart mate, the obstructed views are terrible, it's just run it's course, the Old Ladybis outdated and like a millstone round our neck. I love her dearly and it'll be a wrench to leave but if we're going to move forward it has to be done.

 

Stadiums land locked by houses on 3 sides.

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If a two tier Park End was rebuilt 15 yards closer to the park it would be possible to have a bigger Gwladys street stand in the future due to the extra space. It would have no effect on the main stand really as it goes past the pitch anyway.

 

Gwladys street could be rebuilt in the same style as the new two tier park end. The current profile of the stand is quite a big footprint that with the extra 15 yards at the front of the stand it could be done.

 

Then take a look at buying houses off Bullens road. If it needed to be hurried along then rebuild just the lower tier in the same style as the new ends with a view to build the top tier in the future, with the additional seating at either end it shouldn't be too much of a drop.

 

If they really wanted to be forward thinking , buying up all of the houses off Bullens road and give some to the school in exchange for their car park so there is room for the stands. The garage on the corner of Bullens road, I'm sure they could be tempted for a rebuild on part of any new land, building garages can be very cheap now days.

 

Goodison road is the only real issue long term. But in the same way it can be done at the ends, if we were doing a phased redevelopment then push the ends 10 yards towards the Bullens to give a bit more room for the main stand. If the other three stands were redeveloped sensibly then you could remove the top balcony and develop the main stand as a single tier stand.

 

All offices and player facilities could be in the park end where there is the most space, leaving any other stands just needing fan space.

 

Most of that is just from conversations with people who work in construction, not stadium experts. But Elstone himself said that rebuilding the park end could get us to 47,000, for me that is a major jump and should be looked at as more than just a throw away option.

 

I'm sure we could build a new stadium for £300m, but what could even £100m or £200m worth of improvements to Goodison park do?

 

Let's really think outside the box here. The biggest problem is Goodison Road. So with the idea of moving the offices and player facilities to the park end. How about buying out the buildings facing the stand, build units into a redeveloped stand and rent them to the current tenants of Goodison road? Improved facilities for them, improved stadium for us, nicer for the community and the club.

 

I'd rather throw money into GP than somewhere else. As proud as we are of our heritage and our history is love to see us invest in the history once more instead of leaving it behind. Previous owners have left the stadium to rot without a forward plan.

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