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55 minutes ago, StevO said:

It’s going to be that, too many links for it not to be. 

I’m sure it’ll look much better when the official renderings are released and in the flesh. 

It may look prettier but it will be a massive disappointment if true. Going from an iconic stadium to a copy/paste “modern” design is not how i would describe an exciting proposal, especially in such a historical setting

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24 minutes ago, Makis said:

Are you talking about the first two images? That's some sort of demonstration image that was created probably even before Meis started his work.

That’s what I’m hoping for 

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3 hours ago, StevO said:

It’s going to be that, too many links for it not to be. 

I’m sure it’ll look much better when the official renderings are released and in the flesh. 

I was thinking the same. Too many leaks of that image. 

I do t think it’s bad at all though, but I see what Matts saying, we we’re being happy told we were going to have something groundbreaking to live up our illustrious history.

So unless you see it rise up from under the water of the docks when needed, Thunderbirds style, then it’s very much the same design of many others.

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4 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I was thinking the same. Too many leaks of that image. 

I do t think it’s bad at all though, but I see what Matts saying, we we’re being happy told we were going to have something groundbreaking to live up our illustrious history.

So unless you see it rise up from under the water of the docks when needed, Thunderbirds style, then it’s very much the same design of many others.

It’s not just that though. You only need to look at the Echo arena to see how shitty it looks around the docks. These modern designs do not age well at all

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I like what I’ve seen of the inside, I like how each stand is different but still looks like the same stadium. I like the roof at the same height all around. I like that one end is massive and the other small. 

I’m not that bothered about the outside, Goodison has been a shit hole on the outside and inside pretty much all my life. If it feels good when I get there I’m not bothered about the looks.

I completely agree with what Matt says about modern designs ageing badly. I’ve got a lot of trust in Meis to make it work though. 

Fully prepared for 26th July and half the fan base hate it. 

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

I like what I’ve seen of the inside, I like how each stand is different but still looks like the same stadium. I like the roof at the same height all around. I like that one end is massive and the other small. 

I’m not that bothered about the outside, Goodison has been a shit hole on the outside and inside pretty much all my life. If it feels good when I get there I’m not bothered about the looks.

I completely agree with what Matt says about modern designs ageing badly. I’ve got a lot of trust in Meis to make it work though. 

Fully prepared for 26th July and half the fan base hate it. 

I’ve got faith in Meis too, but when I keep seeing these stock images I do get nervous. 

Dont agree about Goodison. I love that it’s a bit battered and run down, it shows character and history. The facelift it’s had in recent years has been very much welcomed though :lol: 

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3 hours ago, Shukes said:

I was thinking the same. Too many leaks of that image. 

I do t think it’s bad at all though, but I see what Matts saying, we we’re being happy told we were going to have something groundbreaking to live up our illustrious history.

So unless you see it rise up from under the water of the docks when needed, Thunderbirds style, then it’s very much the same design of many others.

Leaks? That image was IIRC posted by the club at the very beginning of the process. And that's still the only picture from the outside there is.

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2 hours ago, Makis said:

Leaks? That image was IIRC posted by the club at the very beginning of the process. And that's still the only picture from the outside there is.

Ahh I thought it was leaked from the first get together. My mistake.

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Just had a look back and Meis said the stadium will be “brickwork, wood and panels in a contemporary way”

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2018/4/3/17193150/everton-new-stadium-dan-meis-design-details-fan-workshops-lucas-oil-stadium-brick-construction

Rather a stadium that fits in with the area than a contemporary design but happy it's confirmed to me brick at least, those pics had me worried. 

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17 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Just had a look back and Meis said the stadium will be “brickwork, wood and panels in a contemporary way”

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2018/4/3/17193150/everton-new-stadium-dan-meis-design-details-fan-workshops-lucas-oil-stadium-brick-construction

Rather a stadium that fits in with the area than a contemporary design but happy it's confirmed to me brick at least, those pics had me worried. 

I wanted the Lucas oil design straight from the off.... looks class. The article is over 1 year old though. 

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1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I’m too excited to see it, but I’m liking how they are handling it all so far. Giving time scales, sticking to them, lot of information and lots of feedback. 

Between Colin Chong, Denise and Dan Meis, I seem to trust them. 

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1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Simple solution, knock down all the eye sores they've built like the musuem of Liverpool and the big ugly cloud building. That said if it was the shite building a stadium there I bet there'd be no problem, hard to say Everton building a stadium is putting the city at risk yet they let a shitty bowl get built like the echo arena. 

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I agree with Joe Anderson, even without the stadium the city needs regeneration. 

It can’t be left as a monument to the past by having miles of derelict and empty spaces. It needs to be used to help grow the city. UNESCO would be better served to work alongside the local government and help guide the plans of regeneration, for an area that’s long needed the helping hand. Instead, they just threaten to pull the award. 

Get around a table and have an input!

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55 minutes ago, StevO said:

I agree with Joe Anderson, even without the stadium the city needs regeneration. 

It can’t be left as a monument to the past by having miles of derelict and empty spaces. It needs to be used to help grow the city. UNESCO would be better served to work alongside the local government and help guide the plans of regeneration, for an area that’s long needed the helping hand. Instead, they just threaten to pull the award. 

Get around a table and have an input!

Are tourists going to stop visiting Liverpool if the plaque goes? I doubt it, so fuck them. 

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Liverpool is a working City that needs to support working people and their families with jobs and development for the future, it can’t be treated like a museum or it will slowly die, yes things can be done in a sympathetic way to keep the character of the area but things have to be done, and if UNESCO can’t be flexible in their approach to the prosperity and future of the people of Liverpool then there involvement in the City won’t or shouldn’t be missed.  

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A really good move in my opinion. 

I’d seen what Spurs had done and was a bit confused by it, but now I get it I hope we put plenty of it in and the atmosphere is better for it. 

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15 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Behind a paywall so for anyone who wants a read (I don't pay the subscription, I just have log-in details so can read two articles a week)...

Everton will visit the House of Commons on Tuesday as they step up engagement for their Bramley-Moore Dock stadium proposal, which they argue will transform a dilapidated area of North Liverpool. “This is a golden opportunity,” Richard Kenyon, Everton’s director of marketing, communications and community, will tell politicians.

Relocating from their historic home at Goodison Park is proving a long, complex and inevitably emotional process. The Liverpool Echo comment sections brim with acerbic jousting between Liverpool and Everton fans about the development. Unesco closely follows events on a World Heritage site.

So this meeting with MPs, backed by the Premier League, marks a significant moment in Everton raising awareness for their scheme. Central to the club’s argument is the beneficial impact on all in the city.

“We want people to understand that this is not just a new stadium for Everton Football Club,” Kenyon adds. “It is more than a stadium. It is more than a game. The socio-economic 
impact will be huge.”
The specialist socio-economic consultancy RealWorth calculates this impact to be worth £793.4m over a 10-year period to what Kenyon calls “health and well-being, environment, crime reduction and the preservation and creation of civic amenities”.

Everyone agrees the area needs attention and investment. “North Liverpool has some of the most disadvantaged wards in the country,” Kenyon continues. “There remains severe deprivation less than a mile or so from what is now a vibrant, bustling, increasingly cosmopolitan European city centre. North Liverpool is in desperate need of jobs, investment, physical regeneration and sustained social programmes, all of which our new stadium can deliver.
“This is a golden opportunity for North Liverpool. It is more than a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. It is an opportunity that the North end of the city hasn’t had for decades and possibly never will again. If you saw this dock, it’s not a tourist attraction, it’s derelict, nobody goes. The [Grade II listed] hydraulic tower in severe disrepair. We’re going to repair it, bringing it back to life.”

The dock walls are also listed and Everton are very mindful of allaying Unesco’s concerns. “This will allow people to appreciate it [Bramley-Moore],” Kenyon adds of the plan. He will emphasise to MPs the club’s desire to “celebrate and showcase the heritage of the site”.

The design by the American architect Dan Meis will “recognise the dock’s unique heritage attributes . . . accentuating and preserving them”, Kenyon adds. Meis himself is on record that “the historic fabric of the dock is a priceless asset”. His lauded plan for Roma’s new stadium draws inspiration from the Colosseum. Meis will be present at the Titanic hotel in Liverpool on July 25 when Everton hold a meeting to launch the month-long second stage of public consultation.
Everton fans crave any indication of what their new home will look like. They know it is planned for a 52,000 capacity, with some rail seating and the target of opening in 2023. When one supporter tweeted Meis about the widespread belief that new English stadia are “not intimate or intimidating because of modern regulations”, Meis’ response was “just wait and see”.

His plans for Stadio della Roma are built around a “focus on intimacy and home-pitch advantage”, he has voiced his admiration of the sweeping, single-tier South Stand at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium while the new FC Cincinnati MLS stadium boasts a steep, single tier behind one end housing the most vocal fans in “The Bailey”.

When first approached about the project, Meis was told by Robert Elstone, the then chief executive, that Everton’s new home had to be a “cauldron of energy with the steepest stands right on top of the pitch and a massive home end”.

Encouragingly for the fans, Meis appears to have fallen “in love” (his words) with the club. He has a Duncan Ferguson shirt and Everton mug in his office in Santa Monica, a club scarf signed by Tim Howard while a scoreboard on the wall displays “1878”, the year Everton were founded. He also now has an 1878 tattoo.
Fans’ hopes will be clarified when they finally see Meis’ designs. Everton are confident the design will be spectacular and enhance the famous city skyline, and promote the city globally. “Our stunning city-centre skyline will be in the background of every broadcaster’s coverage, reaching a billion homes,” Kenyon adds. “We don’t get that at Goodison; when drones hover over the stadium, they pick up the parks and the area we’re in.

“This is different. You see a historic but also a modern cityscape. It is rapidly becoming a city that people aspire to come to, a cool city, one of ‘the’ places to visit, and a lot of this is based on our history of culture through the Beatles and through football. A new stadium in this location will drive more visitors and further position the city as a dynamic, cultural destination with football at its heart. The value to the city in exposure will be significant and sustained. It’s not like a marketing campaign that has a time limit.”

Kenyon will point out to politicians that “redeveloping Goodison is not an option with site constraints too significant to overcome”. Much focus will inevitably be on what will become of Goodison. Kenyon, the club’s dynamic chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale, chairman Bill Kenwright and majority share-holder Farhad Moshiri are adamant that Everton will not follow the route taken by some clubs with their old home.
“Goodison will not just be sold off to the highest bidder for a new supermarket, retail park, or an unsympathetic housing estate,” Kenyon says. “We plan to do something innovative, original and befitting of who we are as a football club…the People’s Club. Our vision is to create a development that benefits the local community.” The Goodison legacy project will include “health facilities, education amenities, community space, leisure provision and homes”, adding to extensive facilities already built through Everton In The Community.

As for funding, Kenyon told local business leaders that, “We have several options available to us and are carrying out due diligence before identifying the best funding solution”. After absorbing feedback on Bramley-Moore and the Goodison legacy project, Everton will make a final submission of planning application “by the end of the year”.
 

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I really can’t see how this isn’t going to through. I know we’ve been through it before. I just feel this is different. The dock area is a potential gold mine. No ifs or buts. The article says it all. Two weeks to go then we will see the ground. Railway terminals, ferry’s, bars aswell as doing something with Goodison instead of selling the plot to Tesco speaks volumes to me. We have some heavy hitters behind us 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

Does anyone we know getting a sneaky peak the night before the plans get shown? 

Aren’t they launching the plans online at the same time as the preview at The Titanic? 

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I’m rubbish with technology but there’s a three minute video on YouTube from the people’s project I’ve just watched and it got the goosebumps going. The ground is gonna be fucking epic. I want it to be fucking old school with modern. Peaky blinders meets the matrix. Hopefully someone can put it up 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

I thought they were having a select meeting with dan meis the night before 

They are having a select meeting the night before the consultation starts, but I’m sure they have said they will start broadcasting the images as they are shown at the meeting. 

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1277893/everton-fans-to-get-stadium-design-preview

The event will coincide with the online release of the designs via evertonfc.com, peoples-project.co.uk and each of the Club's official social media accounts.

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