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33 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Massive opportunity pissed down the river. 

 

8 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Matt didn’t like it from the offset, said about the false brickwork. He then said it goes against the flow? I must be missing something 😂

I assumed it was a play on words in relation to this.

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I used to live in Manchester. Few miles away from the richest club in the world Man City. Who has been near that ground? It’s a fucking shit hole. There is nothing around it bar an Asda and a tram station. There’s one huge old arse pub that’s it. There’s no trains near it no place for kids to play. It’s on its arse. Granted they don’t worry about that stuff. But this is monumental for our club our kids their kids and the whole of Merseyside. Maybe we will bicker about the bricks or whatever but think about what this means to our whole history and our future.

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Pete your missing the point. The water front is the iconic bit. It goes without saying. This was never about us dominating the skyline. It’s about us settling right in where we belong. The rest will come and the skyline will strech long and far now 

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8 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

I used to live in Manchester. Few miles away from the richest club in the world Man City. Who has been near that ground? It’s a fucking shit hole. There is nothing around it bar an Asda and a tram station. There’s one huge old arse pub that’s it. There’s no trains near it no place for kids to play. It’s on its arse. Granted they don’t worry about that stuff. But this is monumental for our club our kids their kids and the whole of Merseyside. Maybe we will bicker about the bricks or whatever but think about what this means to our whole history and our future.

Before city was there all they had was that Asda! City/the shieks have been brilliant for that area. They were ahead of us community wise when I started uni there about 12 years ago. 

 

4 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Pete your missing the point. The water front is the iconic bit. It goes without saying. This was never about us dominating the skyline. It’s about us settling right in where we belong. The rest will come and the skyline will strech long and far now 

For me that stadium doesn't suit the skyline, it won't blend in. Not quite the eyesores that have popped up like the echo and the Liverpool museum but still I wanted the club to be part of the skyline naturally rather than stand out for the wrong reasons. 

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Pete have you been back there since you have left uni? There is fuck all else around apart from the academy that sells all the young players and the woman’s ground. That’s it?  Its all old industrial area with nothing that connects the club to Manchester 

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28 minutes ago, pete0 said:

For me that stadium doesn't suit the skyline, it won't blend in. Not quite the eyesores that have popped up like the echo and the Liverpool museum but still I wanted the club to be part of the skyline naturally rather than stand out for the wrong reasons. 

What natural skyline, the sites a fucking derelict wasteland.  

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

I love it, the concept is great, its going to look amazing.

For those who don't like it, I can appreciate that taste is a personal thing, and the new stadium was never going to make everyone happy.

But please do me and yourselves a favour, and do the following 3 things:

1) Have a look at the Destination Kirkby video below.

 

2) Now look at the proposed new stadium video again

3) Go to the closest mirror, and have a word with yourself.

Comparing shit against potentially a rounded version of shit? I grant you the latest shite promo has a bit more water but dude, speak to yourself!

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48 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

enlighten me why it stands out for the wrong reasons?

When you go past the walls it's impressive the heritage stands out. Seems a shame to just build a tin pot with a terminal window. 

I was wanting something closer to this. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brick-house-that-meis-built-13133057.amp

44 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Pete have you been back there since you have left uni? There is fuck all else around apart from the academy that sells all the young players and the woman’s ground. That’s it?  Its all old industrial area with nothing that connects the club to Manchester 

I worked there in the boxes when I was a student. Most the workers there were local kids and happy the stadium was there. 

Just speaking to a friend in the ps4 to lives nearby and he said they've done loads build a college and made cycle of lanes being the things he can think of off the top of his head. 

32 minutes ago, London Blue said:

What natural skyline, the sites a fucking derelict wasteland.  

The buildings next to it. 

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29 minutes ago, Matt said:

Comparing shit against potentially a rounded version of shit? I grant you the latest shite promo has a bit more water but dude, speak to yourself!

Matt, got all the respect in the world for you mate, but you cant compare the two.

Kirkby was a cheap Bolton stadium carbon copy, situated miles from Liverpool, or anything that resembled civilisation.

Our proposed new home is on the banks of the Mersy, it will help regenerate the whole area, while the stadium itself has the fans seated close to the pitch, in high banked stands that will help preserve our atmosphere. 

In my opinion the design is going to be iconic, and compliment the tower already there. Remember that this is just the first design and there will be some changes. 

Realistically this is as good as it gets, and to me it looks pretty damn good.

Oh and Dude?  Matt are you channeling Borris or something? If so seek help now 😱

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16 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

That’s all they’ve done though. I’m not saying your point is wrong. But around the ground there is nothing. U can’t park, there’s the Asda and the tram station that’s it. 

 

7 minutes ago, London Blue said:

You mean the derelict abandoned buildings?

What did you want Pete, the Birdsnest Stadium nestled in the hanging gardens of Babylon?

More the one with the two birds on top. 

Titanic hotel is brilliant, they converted an old building next to where Everton are moving and the atmosphere is worth the extra penny to stay there even though its in a derelict industrial estate, it manages to be classy. Meis Everton stadium is far from classy, far from taking the best from the area. Whetherspoons respect heritage sites more. 

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7 minutes ago, pete0 said:

 

More the one with the two birds on top. 

Titanic hotel is brilliant, they converted an old building next to where Everton are moving and the atmosphere is worth the extra penny to stay there even though its in a derelict industrial estate, it manages to be classy. Meis Everton stadium is far from classy, far from taking the best from the area. Whetherspoons respect heritage sites more. 

Pete, on Bramley Moor Dock there is nothing to convert, its an empty site, there is just the old tower, which we are keeping.

I give Whetherspoons credit for preserving our architectural heritage, their chairman is a twat though.

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Your contradicting yourself to death pal. I can’t take u seriously. Your talking about about a hotel that u think is classy that you’ve stayed at but u think an image that you have seen on a screen about the ground  isn’t classy ? 

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57 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Pete, on Bramley Moor Dock there is nothing to convert, its an empty site, there is just the old tower, which we are keeping.

I give Whetherspoons credit for preserving our architectural heritage, their chairman is a twat though.

They're keeping the walls and converting the tower. But they're then building a big shell on top of it. Be more fitting to build with similar materials and style. 

Completely agree on Mr brexit. 

54 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Your contradicting yourself to death pal. I can’t take u seriously. Your talking about about a hotel that u think is classy that you’ve stayed at but u think an image that you have seen on a screen about the ground  isn’t classy ? 

No idea what's contradictory about it. The stadium is gonna be modern, Titanic hotel is timeless. Would you rather have a Swiss watch or an apple one? Bear in mind the watch will be on your wrist for the next 100 years. 

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I’m sure you’ll still turn up to watch the match.

im sure for the last 127 years people didn’t moan too much that Goodison wasn’t very pretty on the outside, or in the same materials at the buildings that were around it on each rebuild. 

By the time we are in there everyone will love it. 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

 

More the one with the two birds on top. 

Titanic hotel is brilliant, they converted an old building next to where Everton are moving and the atmosphere is worth the extra penny to stay there even though its in a derelict industrial estate, it manages to be classy. Meis Everton stadium is far from classy, far from taking the best from the area. Whetherspoons respect heritage sites more. 

I don’t think it mattered what it looked like I could have guessed before today you would like it. 

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15 minutes ago, StevO said:

I’m sure you’ll still turn up to watch the match.

im sure for the last 127 years people didn’t moan too much that Goodison wasn’t very pretty on the outside, or in the same materials at the buildings that were around it on each rebuild. 

By the time we are in there everyone will love it. 

I'll still go. Goodison is a historic ground, the wooden seats might creek a little but it's or it should be a must visit sports stadium. First for so many things, intimate, and even stuck behind a pillar most away fans all have visited goodison say good things even though they got beat and were stuck behind a pillar. Goodison has magic, that proposed new stadium doesn't inspire me. I don't think it'll find a soul easily. 

You're right though I'll still be there. And I'll be appreciating not having my view obstructed! 

8 minutes ago, barryj said:

I don’t think it mattered what it looked like I could have guessed before today you would like it. 

From the initial leaked images I said I was worried. Had been hoping got the baseball ground. 

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7 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'll still go. Goodison is a historic ground, the wooden seats might creek a little but it's or it should be a must visit sports stadium. First for so many things, intimate, and even stuck behind a pillar most away fans all have visited goodison say good things even though they got beat and were stuck behind a pillar. Goodison has magic, that proposed new stadium doesn't inspire me. I don't think it'll find a soul easily. 

You're right though I'll still be there. And I'll be appreciating not having my view obstructed! 

From the initial leaked images I said I was worried. Had been hoping got the baseball ground. 

See, you pretty much love it already Pete 😂

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Can't understand any dissatisfaction.  Think it looks fantastic, like a world class stadium.  Blends old and new very well.

Capacity is a little disappointing, but can understand it and will take them at their word re: ability to increase.  Anyone know if the change to safe standing would have any immediate impact on capacity, or will still be 52k?

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I think it's incredible and I'm particularly pleased with Dan Meis' enthusiasm for the whole project. It seems to have really made an impression on his career so far. They way his firm is collaborating with the club sounds really constructive and seeing them prioritize the repurposing of Goodison just makes it all the more impressive. 

I don't think I expected to see a reflecting pool in any of these renderings; I'm genuinely surprised for the most part and surprise itself is so rare. In a way I probably expected to be underwhelmed but this definitely isn't boring. I really love the lattice work and the fact that it's visible from most vantage points. It seems both elegant and grounded. 

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9 hours ago, London Blue said:

Matt, got all the respect in the world for you mate, but you cant compare the two.

Kirkby was a cheap Bolton stadium carbon copy, situated miles from Liverpool, or anything that resembled civilisation.

Our proposed new home is on the banks of the Mersy, it will help regenerate the whole area, while the stadium itself has the fans seated close to the pitch, in high banked stands that will help preserve our atmosphere. 

In my opinion the design is going to be iconic, and compliment the tower already there. Remember that this is just the first design and there will be some changes. 

Realistically this is as good as it gets, and to me it looks pretty damn good.

Oh and Dude?  Matt are you channeling Borris or something? If so seek help now 😱

Sorry man, got a stomach bug so I’m not in the best of moods.

still don’t like the design though. I just hope it looks better in reality and doesn’t end up as an eyesore like the echo arena 

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10 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Matt what did u want realistically? 

Something along the lines of the Battersy Power plant conversion that was discussed for Chelsea, but using the old tobacco warehouses as inspiration instead. 

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32 minutes ago, Matt said:

Sorry man, got a stomach bug so I’m not in the best of moods.

still don’t like the design though. I just hope it looks better in reality and doesn’t end up as an eyesore like the echo arena 

No worries mate, 40 degrees heat and stomach bug is not a good combo. Hope you feel better. 

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Just now, London Blue said:

No worries mate, 40 degrees heat and stomach bug is not a good combo. Hope you feel better. 

Thanks man. Hopefully the next renderings of the stadium are better so it can prove my concerns wrong :) 

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8 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Thanks mate. 

However, it does confirm my fears of the brick facade at exterior east and southeast, west too. Wonder why we don’t have all the exterior options?

also looks very smart but small inside, but I concede that judging scale on a few photos is pointless. 

I do like the window overlooking the water though. 

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16 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Pete have you been back there since you have left uni? There is fuck all else around apart from the academy that sells all the young players and the woman’s ground. That’s it?  Its all old industrial area with nothing that connects the club to Manchester 

I pass it every day and couldn't disagree more. There's the National Cycling Centre, the Manchester Tennis Centre, SportCity Living, The East Manchester Leisure Centre. The houses on Ashton Old Road and Ashton New Road have all been regenerated. The area around the Ashton Canal has all been done up - lovely cycle rides through historic Manchester. Without the investment at the Etihad, none of that would have happened.

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55 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Does no one else see an airport lounge when looking at this? Or even the cafe in the Royal hospital. Good idea but think it's gonna look tacky. 

royal-hospital.jpg

Honestly the picture you quoted (not the hospital) was the only thing that I loved

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15 minutes ago, Matt said:

Honestly the picture you quoted (not the hospital) was the only thing that I loved

I like the idea it's just too imbedded in my head to associate a viewing window with an airport.

Just don't get how we hire the guy who made Miller Park infusing the stadium with the heritage and end up with a modernised airport lounge. I don't see any inspiration from docks or Liverpools history other than a token red brick wall either end and a small nod to Goodison with the lattice but that's not enough to hide the fact it's a generic stadium that could easily be any other clubs. We had a huge chance to show our identity yet could easily be mistaken for a science museum by an unknowing tourist. 

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7 hours ago, pete0 said:

I like the idea it's just too imbedded in my head to associate a viewing window with an airport.

Just don't get how we hire the guy who made Miller Park infusing the stadium with the heritage and end up with a modernised airport lounge. I don't see any inspiration from docks or Liverpools history other than a token red brick wall either end and a small nod to Goodison with the lattice but that's not enough to hide the fact it's a generic stadium that could easily be any other clubs. We had a huge chance to show our identity yet could easily be mistaken for a science museum by an unknowing tourist. 

Anyone else not surprised Pete didn’t like it? 😂

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I've watched the video about 10 times and It's growing on me. I'm an architect myself and let me tell you, these animations are not of greatest quality. Interiors in particular look a bit dull, but that's definitely something they will iron out in the final stages of the development, because it's not of highest priority right now. Exterior look very good. I would have liked a little less details though, as I count myself a minimalist, but that's more of a personal taste. The design will look times better when it's being build. I'm exited.

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21 minutes ago, MikeO said:

....and still "later today".

It’s ok but not more than that. Nice views from the stands and the exteriors are good to view. If you want any particular view I can post it up. 

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