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Remove 2018 from the title and this thread lives on.

 

http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/soccer-transfers/3/post/3712862/aaron-ramsey-plus-anthony-martial-and-adrien-rabiot-lead-top-free-agents-in-the-summer

 

notable free agents this summer.  I would take Diaz, martial, alderwiereld, dembele, rabiot, and rice.  Interesting to see baines on the list.

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15 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Remove 2018 from the title and this thread lives on.

 

http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/soccer-transfers/3/post/3712862/aaron-ramsey-plus-anthony-martial-and-adrien-rabiot-lead-top-free-agents-in-the-summer

 

notable free agents this summer.  I would take Diaz, martial, alderwiereld, dembele, rabiot, and rice.  Interesting to see baines on the list.

Finally worked out how to change the titles again :lol: 

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(Depending on ins and perm outs) Hoping that we loan out a few for playing time, targeting the lower prem and Bundesliga.  Huddersfield and Southampton (with Hasenhuttl going there) are 2 that come to mind with (or soon to) the right style. 

Dowell and Beni (injured?) need to be playing.  I'd also consider Davies, if McCarthy is fit and we don't sell any other CM's, and DCL, if Charlie stays up top and both Cenk & Niasse remain.  Maybe even Holgate, if we think we've got enough cover.  

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We need a striker. If Moshiri is serious I think the summer we will need our Robinho. Not so much an expensive flop, but a player to make the world take notice. That player needs to be a striker though. We need to have someone taking chances on a very regular basis. 

After that it’s just looking for the next player to replace with more quality. 

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16 hours ago, StevO said:

We need a striker. If Moshiri is serious I think the summer we will need our Robinho. Not so much an expensive flop, but a player to make the world take notice. That player needs to be a striker though. We need to have someone taking chances on a very regular basis. 

After that it’s just looking for the next player to replace with more quality. 

Timo Werner would be the kind of signing that I think would do that, I said in the January thread he's the type we should be aiming for in summer 

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57 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

Timo Werner would be the kind of signing that I think would do that, I said in the January thread he's the type we should be aiming for in summer 

As good as he is, I don’t think he would be the kind of statement that would make everyone look. Wouldn’t happen, but a name like Diego Costa (though he would be an amazing signing). 

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18 minutes ago, StevO said:

As good as he is, I don’t think he would be the kind of statement that would make everyone look. Wouldn’t happen, but a name like Diego Costa (though he would be an amazing signing). 

agreed.  i want want someone better than werner.  

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3 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Balotelli is on a free. Worth a one year deal. He's class when he's arsed, playing in France might have helped humble him. 

Fuck no

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

agreed.  i want want someone better than werner.  

Not many better that are feasible imo he's also very highly regarded 

I get what you and Steve mean though I just can't think of many 

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27 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

Not many better that are feasible imo he's also very highly regarded 

I get what you and Steve mean though I just can't think of many 

No I cant think of many either. There almost needs to be Giroud / Morata situation but with guys that score goals.

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2 hours ago, sibdane said:

Only problem with Mertens is he'll be 32 in May. I'm not one to normally worry about age, but that's big risk. His output has dropped slightly since 2016-17 season.

I had to check I didn't realise he's that old he only looks young 😆 scrap that one then 

Immobile or Icardi would be what I'd love to say but I know we've zero chance of either 

Werner or Lozano for me or like Bailey said take a punt on a player not quite firing for another side but has the ability and may do well elsewhere

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19 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

I had to check I didn't realise he's that old he on only looks young 😆 scrap that one then 

Immobile or Icardi would be what I'd love to say but I know we've zero chance of either 

Werner or Lozano for me or like Bailey said take a punt on a player not quite firing for another side but has the ability and may do well elsewhere

Immobile or Icardi yeah now we are talking.  a couple sleeper picks would be Maxi Gomez from Celta Vigo, Santi Mina from Valencia.  I'd take Rashford from United as well.

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I still think Onyekuru will be class if he's ever allowed to play for us. Not to say it wouldn't be nice to have another striker, but if he gets his work permit, but I think we'll find ourselves in a pretty good position next season if we're able to retain Gomes and sign a replacement for Coleman.

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1 hour ago, nyblue23 said:

I still think Onyekuru will be class if he's ever allowed to play for us. Not to say it wouldn't be nice to have another striker, but if he gets his work permit, but I think we'll find ourselves in a pretty good position next season if we're able to retain Gomes and sign a replacement for Coleman.

Slipped my mind tbh he does look a talented lad 

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Everton were watching Argentinean Sala play the other night valued at around 25million it's a big gamble for that sort of money that they come good, we haven't been very successful with the last crop for around that sort of fee namely Niasse Sandro and Tosun, wouldn't we be better off going for proven strikers in the top flight of football than taking gambles on the lower end, after all we've already wasted three seasons of improvement on strikers that haven't made the grade.

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Depth reminder:

GK: Pickford/Stek/JVirginia

RB: Coleman/Kenny/Martina

CB: Keane/Mina/Holgate/Pennington

LB: Digne/Robinson

Holding Mid: Gana/Davies/McCarthy/Beni/Schneiderlin/Besic/JWilliams

Attacking Mid: Gylfi/Vlasic/Dowell

Wingers: Richarlison/Walcott/Bernard/Lookman/Onyekuru

ST: DCL/Tosun/Niasse

 

Jags, Baines, Williams contracts expire

Zouma, Gomes loans end

Useless back from loan - Bolasie, Sandro, Connolly, Garbutt, Mirallas, Tarashaj

 

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Where do we go from here? The best teams only make 1-2 changes to their starting XI. I'd like to see us do the same assuming you don't consider signing Zouma and AGomes as new signings, who I'd like to see sign permanently. For me we should be focusing on RB and ST this summer. 

Pickford, Keane, Zouma, Digne, AGomes, Gana, Siggy, Richarlison, Lookman go into next year as starters.

Good enough cover given our situation: Mina, Coleman, Kenny, Holgate - defense. Davies, McCarthy, Besic - midfield. Bernard, Onyekuru, Walcott, Vlasic - attacking. DCL, Tosun - striker.

 

Gone via contract expiry: Jags, Baines, AWilliams, Connolly

Get rid: Garbutt, Mirallas, Tarashaj, Martina, Bolasie, Sandro, Schneiderlin, Pennington, Niasse

 

Depth reminder:

GK: Pickford/Stek/JVirginia

RB: NEED STARTER/Coleman/Kenny

CB: Zouma/Keane/Mina/Holgate

LB: Digne/Robinson

Holding Mid: AGomes/Gana/Davies/McCarthy/Besic/Beni/JWilliams

Attacking Mid: Gylfi/Vlasic/Dowell

Wingers: Richarlison/Walcott/Bernard/Lookman/Onyekuru

ST: NEED STARTER/DCL/Tosun

 

 

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40 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Holding Mid: Gana/Davies/McCarthy/Besic/Beni/JWilliams

I'd add a new, starting, holding mid to that.  I'm assuming PSG, or similar, come back in for Gueye and I'd expect Besic to go.  Would love it if one/both of Beni and Williams could step up.

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37 minutes ago, DownUnderToff said:

I'd add a new, starting, holding mid to that.  I'm assuming PSG, or similar, come back in for Gueye and I'd expect Besic to go.  Would love it if one/both of Beni and Williams could step up.

Problem is with that list - if Gana goes he is the only one who offered any form of consistency. The two young lads can go on loan, if Jmac is a great opinion off the bench and Davies needs to start delivering consistently or he may need a loan.

I still hope we sign Gomes.

As you say sign a RB and Striker and then let’s see what we can do.

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1 hour ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Where do we go from here? The best teams only make 1-2 changes to their starting XI. I'd like to see us do the same assuming you don't consider signing Zouma and AGomes as new signings, who I'd like to see sign permanently. For me we should be focusing on RB and ST this summer. 

Pickford, Keane, Zouma, Digne, AGomes, Gana, Siggy, Richarlison, Lookman go into next year as starters.

Good enough cover given our situation: Mina, Coleman, Kenny, Holgate - defense. Davies, McCarthy, Besic - midfield. Bernard, Onyekuru, Walcott, Vlasic - attacking. DCL, Tosun - striker.

 

Gone via contract expiry: Jags, Baines, AWilliams, Connolly

Get rid: Garbutt, Mirallas, Tarashaj, Martina, Bolasie, Sandro, Schneiderlin, Pennington, Niasse

 

Depth reminder:

GK: Pickford/Stek/JVirginia

RB: NEED STARTER/Coleman/Kenny

CB: Keane/Mina/Holgate

LB: Digne/Robinson

Holding Mid: Gana/Davies/McCarthy/Besic/Beni/JWilliams

Attacking Mid: Gylfi/Vlasic/Dowell

Wingers: Richarlison/Walcott/Bernard/Lookman/Onyekuru

ST: NEED STARTER/DCL/Tosun

 

 

Its a bit scary when you look at the list as to how many are genuine top 10 premier league players, let alone top 6.

I would go:

Pickford, Digne, Gylfi, Richarlison, Bernard.

Gana is there or thereabouts, Keane, Lookman and Walcott would be good bench options.

Davies is very much open for debate, as is Mina, Coleman and Kenny.

 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

Its a bit scary when you look at the list as to how many are genuine top 10 premier league players, let alone top 6.

I would go:

Pickford, Digne, Gylfi, Richarlison, Bernard.

Gana is there or thereabouts, Keane, Lookman and Walcott would be good bench options.

Davies is very much open for debate, as is Mina, Coleman and Kenny.

 

Kenny isn’t a bad young prospect for a top team. Coleman is a serious weak link unfortunately 

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Where the fuck do you start... 

From where I'm sat we're a big standard midtable squad. As Bailey says, we can't even put out a first XI of genuine top 10 Premiership players. It's the kind of squad which, if things started to slide, you could easily see us getting dragged into a relegation battle. 

I'd be gutted if we only make one or two signings in the summer. But I also understand another summer of huge upheaval would be dangerous, and besides, there doesn't seem to be any more cash forthcoming. I think Brands first job will be clearing all the crap on loan, trying to recoup what he can for the likes of Schneiderlin and Bolasie and getting them off the wage bill. 

I think we have to focus on the spine of the team. Kenny deserves a chance at RB and can at least do a job until Jan or summer 2020. We're overloaded with wingers/forwards without having a main striker, especially if Vlasic gets rehabilitated and we finally sort Onyekuru's visa. So I'd be looking:

CB: Pass on Zouma and go all out for a real leader in there, potential captain material. I don't like Keane and Mina could yet prove another huge mistake, but I think with a proper organiser and Holgate/one of the U23 CBs who are getting good reviews as back up we'd see an improvement. 

CM: I'd take up the Gomes option as I do think he's a very good footballer, just been inconsistent. I like him but I'd take the PSG money for Gana if it's still there, then reinvest it into more of an all rounder, someone physical and mobile who can still pass. Ideally I'd sign a third CM as I think we're really weak there but I doubt there'd be money for that. 

CF: Well that's the easiest one, we just need a proper goalscorer. I still think DCL is good enough as back up, but I'd sell Tosun and reinvest in a cheaper, younger prospect. 

If money was an issue I'd consider selling Walcott to fund the above. I also think the elephant in the room is Sigurdsson, he's too much of a luxury player for our needs right now and doesn't seem to fit any system other than the old fashioned 4-4-2 Iceland play (OK he did well at Swansea too but they built a team around letting him play). If we could get £30m+ for him from Germany or somewhere I'd consider selling. But that's maybe one for a future transfer window. Realistically, I don't see the full turn around of this squad to be complete until August 2020.

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5 hours ago, nogs said:

Where the fuck do you start... 

From where I'm sat we're a big standard midtable squad. As Bailey says, we can't even put out a first XI of genuine top 10 Premiership players. It's the kind of squad which, if things started to slide, you could easily see us getting dragged into a relegation battle. 

I'd be gutted if we only make one or two signings in the summer. But I also understand another summer of huge upheaval would be dangerous, and besides, there doesn't seem to be any more cash forthcoming. I think Brands first job will be clearing all the crap on loan, trying to recoup what he can for the likes of Schneiderlin and Bolasie and getting them off the wage bill. 

I think we have to focus on the spine of the team. Kenny deserves a chance at RB and can at least do a job until Jan or summer 2020. We're overloaded with wingers/forwards without having a main striker, especially if Vlasic gets rehabilitated and we finally sort Onyekuru's visa. So I'd be looking:

CB: Pass on Zouma and go all out for a real leader in there, potential captain material. I don't like Keane and Mina could yet prove another huge mistake, but I think with a proper organiser and Holgate/one of the U23 CBs who are getting good reviews as back up we'd see an improvement. 

CM: I'd take up the Gomes option as I do think he's a very good footballer, just been inconsistent. I like him but I'd take the PSG money for Gana if it's still there, then reinvest it into more of an all rounder, someone physical and mobile who can still pass. Ideally I'd sign a third CM as I think we're really weak there but I doubt there'd be money for that. 

CF: Well that's the easiest one, we just need a proper goalscorer. I still think DCL is good enough as back up, but I'd sell Tosun and reinvest in a cheaper, younger prospect. 

If money was an issue I'd consider selling Walcott to fund the above. I also think the elephant in the room is Sigurdsson, he's too much of a luxury player for our needs right now and doesn't seem to fit any system other than the old fashioned 4-4-2 Iceland play (OK he did well at Swansea too but they built a team around letting him play). If we could get £30m+ for him from Germany or somewhere I'd consider selling. But that's maybe one for a future transfer window. Realistically, I don't see the full turn around of this squad to be complete until August 2020.

I agree about Siggy but I bet he is on a massive wage so that rules out most clubs and there is no way any manager will want to let him go because of that he is capable of. 

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Thinking about this more, are we actually just at the level we should be and our expectation of being closer to the top 6 or being the best of the rest an ambition rather than a reality? 

West Ham, Leicester and Wolves both have a similar amount of quality in their side (in respect of top 6 players), Bournemouth are a couple of players away but are fading. Watford are punching above their weight but they are also dropping down compared to how well they started. 

Dont get me wrong, performances still havent been good enough but all of these sides are really up and down (bar Wolves). On top of that, and as Silva pointed out, how many of them are bringing on 19, 20, 21 year olds off the bench to make a difference? 

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23 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Thinking about this more, are we actually just at the level we should be and our expectation of being closer to the top 6 or being the best of the rest an ambition rather than a reality? 

At the moment, it's absolutely ambition rather than reality. We've lost ground on where we were 5 years ago. 

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1 hour ago, nogs said:

At the moment, it's absolutely ambition rather than reality. We've lost ground on where we were 5 years ago. 

A number of factors have caused that though. We are on our 5th manager in that time ( including unsworth ).

Our problems were never going to be fixed this season, probably not next as well but we need to make small steps before big leaps.

13 games to play. 5 points off 7th. Hypothetically if we finished 7th - would people here consider that as an improvement.

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29 minutes ago, Btay said:

13 games to play. 5 points off 7th. Hypothetically if we finished 7th - would people here consider that as an improvement.

I'd consider it the bare minimum. We were 14 points off 6th last year and brought in a new manager to get us in the mix of it, yet as it stands the gap is still 14 points. 

Alladyce got us 1.42 points per game so over a season you'd expect him to get 54 points. Factor in that was with Keane playing through injury next to an aging Jags, Rooney in midfield, DCL on the left wing, and both Coleman and Baines coming back from injuries plus nursing Bolasie back into the side. 

Effectively 7 out of 11 starters are better than last year be it physically or that they've been replaced. No idea how many more points you'd expect but the target should be pretty north of 54 to call it an improvement. 

Pickford = Pickford 

Coleman (coming back from injury) < Coleman 

Keane (playing with injections) < Keane 

Jagielka < Zouma

Baines < Digne

Walcott = Walcott 

Rooney < Gomes

Gana = Gana

DCL/Bolasie < Richarlison/Bernard 

Sigurdssen = Sigurdssen 

Tosun (lacked prem experience)  < Tosun/DCL/Richarlison 

 

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5 hours ago, Btay said:

A number of factors have caused that though. We are on our 5th manager in that time ( including unsworth ).

Our problems were never going to be fixed this season, probably not next as well but we need to make small steps before big leaps.

13 games to play. 5 points off 7th. Hypothetically if we finished 7th - would people here consider that as an improvement.

Whatever the reasons are, we are not where we were 5 years ago. And we won't overtake Wolves to finish 7th, just like we couldn't catch Burnley last year. 

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But we could have kept Big Sam and gone to city and had their defensive mid touch the ball more than our whole team again or go away to Liverpool and park the bus and just hope.

Im not saying im happy with how things are but I could see the style Marco was trying to implement and I want to give him time to actually try and get things in place. 

 

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1 hour ago, Btay said:

Im not saying im happy with how things are but I could see the style Marco was trying to implement and I want to give him time to actually try and get things in place. 

 

He's trying to force a style that doesn't suit the players he's got. He should be either picking different players suited to the system he wants to play, or find a system that works with the players he's got. Moyes was stale at the end and I would have gladly got rid of him about 3 seasons earlier, I was sick of the same 451 every week. Marco looks like me will be just as predictable. I want a manager who can see a weakness and exploit it rather than just do the same thing every week regardless. 

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12 hours ago, pete0 said:

I'd consider it the bare minimum. We were 14 points off 6th last year and brought in a new manager to get us in the mix of it, yet as it stands the gap is still 14 points. 

Alladyce got us 1.42 points per game so over a season you'd expect him to get 54 points. Factor in that was with Keane playing through injury next to an aging Jags, Rooney in midfield, DCL on the left wing, and both Coleman and Baines coming back from injuries plus nursing Bolasie back into the side. 

Effectively 7 out of 11 starters are better than last year be it physically or that they've been replaced. No idea how many more points you'd expect but the target should be pretty north of 54 to call it an improvement. 

Pickford = Pickford 

Coleman (coming back from injury) < Coleman 

Keane (playing with injections) < Keane 

Jagielka < Zouma

Baines < Digne

Walcott = Walcott 

Rooney < Gomes

Gana = Gana

DCL/Bolasie < Richarlison/Bernard 

Sigurdssen = Sigurdssen 

Tosun (lacked prem experience)  < Tosun/DCL/Richarlison 

 

That doesnt take into account the improvement of others though? Almost all of the top 6 are better than last season (albeit some more inconsistent), Wolves are far better than the relegated teams and West Ham, Bournemouth, Leicester have all also improved their squads, the former quite considerably. At the moment we are beating the sides that are worse than us and losing to those that are better.

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25 minutes ago, Bailey said:

That doesnt take into account the improvement of others though? Almost all of the top 6 are better than last season (albeit some more inconsistent), Wolves are far better than the relegated teams and West Ham, Bournemouth, Leicester have all also improved their squads, the former quite considerably. At the moment we are beating the sides that are worse than us and losing to those that are better.

Bournemouth have only improved in one position with Brooks. West Ham in two with Diop and Anderson although the latter just balances the loss of Lanzini, they have the kid who's come through Rice but still not enough to expect them to finish above us on paper, they've been unlucky that a few have been injured though. Leicester two improved their starting eleven with Maddison and Periera, plus Evans on the bench. 

We finished above all these teams and have massively upgraded four positions in our left back, centre half, centre mid and left mid. All of these players would walk into the other teams below us. 

Wolves are better than the teams that went down. But we only took 2 points off West Brom so we're only down one less point in comparison. Even though we gifted Wolves the last game and threw away the first even though we only had 10 men for the majority. If anything Wolves have made it easier to close the gap at the top as they are taking more points off the top 6 than any of teams that went down. 

 

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4 hours ago, Bailey said:

At the moment we are beating the sides that are worse than us and losing to those that are better.

No shit Sherlock 🕵️😉 

 

 

 

I know what you mean but when you see it written it seems so obvious 😀

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4 hours ago, pete0 said:

Bournemouth have only improved in one position with Brooks. West Ham in two with Diop and Anderson although the latter just balances the loss of Lanzini, they have the kid who's come through Rice but still not enough to expect them to finish above us on paper, they've been unlucky that a few have been injured though. Leicester two improved their starting eleven with Maddison and Periera, plus Evans on the bench. 

We finished above all these teams and have massively upgraded four positions in our left back, centre half, centre mid and left mid. All of these players would walk into the other teams below us. 

Wolves are better than the teams that went down. But we only took 2 points off West Brom so we're only down one less point in comparison. Even though we gifted Wolves the last game and threw away the first even though we only had 10 men for the majority. If anything Wolves have made it easier to close the gap at the top as they are taking more points off the top 6 than any of teams that went down. 

 

Bournemouth also signed Lerma who fits well and West Ham had a massive upgrade in manager and have also done well with Yarmalenko and Fabianski as well as sticking with Arnautovich up front which wasnt the case until Moyes arrived.

As far as I see most of these are tit for tat. You cant say that any one signing is streets above the rest other than maybe Gomes. 

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On 06/02/2019 at 14:55, pete0 said:

 

We finished above all these teams and have massively upgraded four positions in our left back, centre half, centre mid and left mid. All of these players would walk into the other teams below us. 

 

But what about the teams above us, like Wolves and Watford? Or the team we're above on goal difference only, Bournemouth? Or even the teams we're just a point ahead of having played a game more? 

It's almost touching how much you cling to this 'massive upgrade' bollocks. 

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50 minutes ago, nogs said:

But what about the teams above us, like Wolves and Watford? Or the team we're above on goal difference only, Bournemouth? Or even the teams we're just a point ahead of having played a game more? 

It's almost touching how much you cling to this 'massive upgrade' bollocks. 

What about them? 

Is Digne, Zouma, Gomes, and Richarlison not all big improvements? Plus Bernard in the squad. 

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9 minutes ago, pete0 said:

What about them? 

Is Digne, Zouma, Gomes, and Richarlison not all big improvements? Plus Bernard in the squad. 

We've been here before Pete. The bar you set for 'big improvements' is clearly lower than mine. Three of them have done OK but are inconsistent, Digne the least so. Zouma imo is not good enough. 

Would all four walk into the Wolves, Leicester, West Ham, Bournemouth and Watford teams? I don't think so. 

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42 minutes ago, nogs said:

We've been here before Pete. The bar you set for 'big improvements' is clearly lower than mine. Three of them have done OK but are inconsistent, Digne the least so. Zouma imo is not good enough. 

Would all four walk into the Wolves, Leicester, West Ham, Bournemouth and Watford teams? I don't think so. 

How many teams in the prem would take Jagielka, Baines, Rooney as a centre mid, DCL as a left winger? Whereas they'd all bite your hand off for the players we've brought in to replace them.

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10 hours ago, pete0 said:

How many teams in the prem would take Jagielka, Baines, Rooney as a centre mid, DCL as a left winger? Whereas they'd all bite your hand off for the players we've brought in to replace them.

To upgrade a player, it needs to be an actual upgrade though. Upgrading them when they are old is an unavoidable replacment.

Baines is a better player than Digne. Digne has potential.

Jags is a step above any defender we have by about a mile.

Rooney is one of the best forwards to have graced the premier league, we’ll never upgrade him.

DCL is our player still and we have brought a player into replace him. He’s young and we’re working on him.

Haha sorry don’t even know what you two are talking about and my comments are probably way off. I need to rest haha.

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34 minutes ago, Shukes said:

To upgrade a player, it needs to be an actual upgrade though. Upgrading them when they are old is an unavoidable replacment.

Baines is a better player than Digne. Digne has potential.

Jags is a step above any defender we have by about a mile.

Rooney is one of the best forwards to have graced the premier league, we’ll never upgrade him.

DCL is our player still and we have brought a player into replace him. He’s young and we’re working on him.

Haha sorry don’t even know what you two are talking about and my comments are probably way off. I need to rest haha.

I'm on about them as players last year, as players who are old and past it. Compared to young fitter players who are more able to keep up with the pace of the prem. 

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4 hours ago, Shukes said:

To upgrade a player, it needs to be an actual upgrade though. Upgrading them when they are old is an unavoidable replacment.

Baines is a better player than Digne. Digne has potential.

Jags is a step above any defender we have by about a mile.

Rooney is one of the best forwards to have graced the premier league, we’ll never upgrade him.

DCL is our player still and we have brought a player into replace him. He’s young and we’re working on him.

Haha sorry don’t even know what you two are talking about and my comments are probably way off. I need to rest haha.

I've given up tbh if he wants to see our signings last summer as 'massive improvements' to justify his view Silva should be sacked for mishandling them, let him. 

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If we can bring in another CB who can attack balls without getting scared and organsie the defence well, along with a striker who can put the ball in the back of the net and hold up the ball well, then I'm sure the whole team as a group will look a lot more composed during games.

Ramos and Kane then?

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38 minutes ago, nogs said:

I've given up tbh if he wants to see our signings last summer as 'massive improvements' to justify his view Silva should be sacked for mishandling them, let him. 

So you'd pick the other players over them? 

Would you sack Brands for not getting better players in? 

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8 minutes ago, pete0 said:

So you'd pick the other players over them? 

Would you sack Brands for not getting better players in? 

No I'd do neither you numpty. I'd give them time to get used to the Premier League (in a Digne, Bernard and Mina's case), I'd say thanks very much when his loan was over in Zouma's case and find someone better, and I'd give Silva time to see what he can do with a squad that was quite frankly a mess 7 MONTHS ago. 

You're not getting this patience thing are you?? 

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1 hour ago, nogs said:

No I'd do neither you numpty. I'd give them time to get used to the Premier League (in a Digne, Bernard and Mina's case), I'd say thanks very much when his loan was over in Zouma's case and find someone better, and I'd give Silva time to see what he can do with a squad that was quite frankly a mess 7 MONTHS ago. 

You're not getting this patience thing are you?? 

So you agree all are better as you wouldn't pick last years players. You agree Brands done a good job. Yet you want patience for a manager who with better tools is doing a worse job than the last. Why would you give him more time? He's got the record for set pieces conceded per game managed at his last 3 clubs (he's ranked 1, 2, and 3 in Premier league history!).  He's not improving, and other than Wednesday hasn't looked like making any tactical changes even though it's not working.. But even then he used his subs and reverted back to the shitty tactics that have burnt out heads out. 

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Except he's not doing if you look at the underlying stats. Both xGF and xGA have improved from last season. Goals from open play have almost halved and we have conceded seven less than last season at this point. 

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28 minutes ago, nogs said:

Pete - why can't you just accept people don't agree with you on some things? You're now telling me what I do and don't think ffs! 

I've summarised for clarity as I'm not trying to get you to agree, I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. What's the logic? What are you forming your opinion from? 

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