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Youre both moaning but you two lads seem to need to book a test for yourselves! 

We are only eleven starting players away from being a decent side so could be an interesting window

For me, what it boils down to is what does Silva ideally want from his MF, role-wise?  Davies, Gana, Morgan, Delph and Gomes are very different from each other. Due to that, how they are paired very m

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21 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Cheers mate, really looking forward to it. Don’t get out much these days due to kids, so it’s a chance for me and the missus to let our hair down a bit.

Closing with Queen, so that should be a good sing along 🙂

You sure you still got hair, I'd be singing a long to Duran and Blondie definitely, and be hanging by the time Queen come on.

I think your gonna have an 80s sensation..

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24 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Tell u what Walcott couldn’t get near Robinson for pace in the week. If his pace goes you are left with a very limited player 

i won't argue, just saying he was a CF for arsenal, he looks weak on the wing but crossing and link up play doesn't seem to be his game.  maybe he's just a runner that can tap it in, worth a shot in preseason

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50 minutes ago, Palfy said:

You sure you still got hair, I'd be singing a long to Duran and Blondie definitely, and be hanging by the time Queen come on.

I think your gonna have an 80s sensation..

Hair is so overrated... And I'm willing to bet Theo Walcott somewhat agrees. Wonder if he could be effective at cf coming in the last 20 minutes of the match, to put a pace against tired legs?

Related but unrelated if you get a chance to see them, don't pass on the Foo Fighters. I saw them about a year-and-a-half ago in Birmingham (the one in Alabama), Dave Grohl put on a phenomenal show and just played for almost 3 hours continuous

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2 hours ago, Shukes said:

It’s a summer festival with tribute acts. Meant to be tour grade acts playing so should be pretty good.

Blondie, Pink, Duran Duran, chilli peppers, Foo fighters and Queen.

Excuse for a get together and alcohol really haha!

We have one of those locally.

Personally I'd never go to one or watch a "tribute act" even as a one off (was Bjorn Again that kicked off the craze I believe).

Much prefer to go watch people I've never heard of playing their own music.

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9 hours ago, MikeO said:

We have one of those locally.

Personally I'd never go to one or watch a "tribute act" even as a one off (was Bjorn Again that kicked off the craze I believe).

Much prefer to go watch people I've never heard of playing their own music.

Each to their own mate. I’ve been to one a few summers again and it was great fun. Music, alcohol and good food, and the right people all in one place is always a good thing. 

Stuff going on on the background, is just background 🙂

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21 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

Tribute acts are ok to relive your youth. Did see the real Fleetwood Mac at Wembley last month.

I understand why they exist nowadays, discussed it before on here (briefly; old days people toured to publicise their music and made their money from record sales hence "cheap" tickets, now "record" sale money is minimal so people make it from touring, hence £200 tickets and the like to see the real deal = tribute bands filling the gap, and good luck to them).

And another thing Gwlad, Fleetwood Mac were great I'm sure (I'd go and see them) but even they are Fleetwood Mac 2.0; I'd pay a lot more money to see the Peter Green era line-up, never going to happen obviously.

Anyway football, how does that work again?

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1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Not the happiest manager two weeks before the season starts. Not like any of what he says is a surprise, we needed strengthening in those positions in November. Can only assume the difficulties clearing the high wage baggage out is screwing our plans. 

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Hate that he never takes responsibility about the the football being poor and is very Martinez. Fair enough preseason is more about fitness and I'd have no qualms if he said that's the most important thing but I want him to add he's disappointed the football isn't flowing and they'll work on it rather than blame the tired players and excusing the second match as it's the reserves. For me it wasn't the quality of the players that was the issue today, man for man we have more quality than Mainz, it's the tactics that aren't working/isn't creating enough chances. 

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11 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Hate that he never takes responsibility about the the football being poor and is very Martinez. Fair enough preseason is more about fitness and I'd have no qualms if he said that's the most important thing but I want him to add he's disappointed the football isn't flowing and they'll work on it rather than blame the tired players and excusing the second match as it's the reserves. For me it wasn't the quality of the players that was the issue today, man for man we have more quality than Mainz, it's the tactics that aren't working/isn't creating enough chances. 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Hate that he never takes responsibility about the the football being poor and is very Martinez. Fair enough preseason is more about fitness and I'd have no qualms if he said that's the most important thing but I want him to add he's disappointed the football isn't flowing and they'll work on it rather than blame the tired players and excusing the second match as it's the reserves. For me it wasn't the quality of the players that was the issue today, man for man we have more quality than Mainz, it's the tactics that aren't working/isn't creating enough chances. 

I disagree. Its about execution. He cant kick the ball. They kept Sevilla quiet but gave away a stupid penalty and then couldnt finish decent chances. The team is set up far better than it has been for ages, but the players have to do their bit.

I dont know enough about the Mainz team and I doubt you do either but our team was shite. We didnt have any forward players. Walcott hid from the ball and even when he had a good chance didnt want to take the shot on. Midfield was solid enough to start with but the full backs had already played and the CBs were a Championship RB and a kid. The team that finished was dreadful and I suspect most of them wont be Everton players in 2 years time. In fact Im not sure anyone other than Davies, Lossl and Adeniran will ever play more than 5 first team games in that time. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I disagree. Its about execution. He cant kick the ball. They kept Sevilla quiet but gave away a stupid penalty and then couldnt finish decent chances. The team is set up far better than it has been for ages, but the players have to do their bit.

I dont know enough about the Mainz team and I doubt you do either but our team was shite. We didnt have any forward players. Walcott hid from the ball and even when he had a good chance didnt want to take the shot on. Midfield was solid enough to start with but the full backs had already played and the CBs were a Championship RB and a kid. The team that finished was dreadful and I suspect most of them wont be Everton players in 2 years time. In fact Im not sure anyone other than Davies, Lossl and Adeniran will ever play more than 5 first team games in that time. 

No idea about them but it was clear as day our reserves are of a higher standard. We had all the ball just couldn't do anything with it, much like last season and the other two preseason games. We just don't create enough chances. I'm seeing nothing to show Silva is working on a solution, and most likely it'll be the Martinez madness same thing every week, philosophy over results. 

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Perhaps I'm making wrong conclusion, hope so, but it seems Silva is not happy with the lack of signings, which translates with him not being happy with how Brands is doing his job? Surely it's a defensive strategy from him to explain the poor pre-season results, which isn't a good sign. I just hope the board and the manager are on the same page.

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I have always maintained we needed 4 signings this transfer window a RB CB striker and LF winger, yet we buy yet another MF and a GK what the fuck is going on I can’t believe we took them with a plan in mind, possibly more just because they were available st the time. 

Silva now says we need another 5 signings and it’s possible to do it in the days remaining, this worries me we haven’t secured one of our main targets yet we are going for 5 the man is talking shit we could end up with a load of crap chasing that target, right now I would be happy with a CB and Striker both of proven ability, and then see where we are in January. 

Again we find ourselves in the same position why should I be so surprised in reality I’m not, I’m just once again pissed off with the cheap talk coming from the club since before the end of the season with the transfer situation, usual bollocks from them and me. 

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8 hours ago, pete0 said:

No idea about them but it was clear as day our reserves are of a higher standard. We had all the ball just couldn't do anything with it, much like last season and the other two preseason games. We just don't create enough chances. I'm seeing nothing to show Silva is working on a solution, and most likely it'll be the Martinez madness same thing every week, philosophy over results. 

I didnt think so, especially not at the end when they were just waiting for us to force the pass. 

At the moment we are most suited to playing on the counter attack. Its how our best results came and it suits players like Richarlison, DCL, Walcott who are direct and cant unpick defences. Even at the end of last season, when it came to creating chances and taking them against teams that parked the bus it was much harder. Lots of the top teams struggle against these sides and with better players. Liverpool were struggling at the start under Klopp but now they are much better. It takes time to develop and isnt something that will be resolved in one season with a blunted attack.

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4 hours ago, Palfy said:

I have always maintained we needed 4 signings this transfer window a RB CB striker and LF winger, yet we buy yet another MF and a GK what the fuck is going on I can’t believe we took them with a plan in mind, possibly more just because they were available st the time. 

Silva now says we need another 5 signings and it’s possible to do it in the days remaining, this worries me we haven’t secured one of our main targets yet we are going for 5 the man is talking shit we could end up with a load of crap chasing that target, right now I would be happy with a CB and Striker both of proven ability, and then see where we are in January. 

Again we find ourselves in the same position why should I be so surprised in reality I’m not, I’m just once again pissed off with the cheap talk coming from the club since before the end of the season with the transfer situation, usual bollocks from them and me. 

We arent going to buy players that are wrong for the club or where opposition teams hold us to ransom. Mina, Bernard and Gomes wouldnt havent happened last year unless we were patient. These type of transfers usually involve a string of deals too. For example, we arent selling Gana until we have a replacement, the team we are trying to buy off probably arent selling until they have theirs and it goes on. Its like buying a house with a chain. The Delph deal could go through quickly because City didnt need a replacement. 

This time last year most people here were screaming for an extra midfielder (not including Gomes) as the thought of a season with Gana, Schneiderlin, Besic and Davies was too much for most people. They have all improved (bar Besic) but that doesnt mean that the position is solved so whilst it might not have been our first priority it is still a position that we needed an extra body and as I mentioned before it was an easy deal to get done. The GK signing is an obvious one too as it helps us loan Virginia so that he is going to be the keeper we want him to be in the future. The club needs to register 3 keepers and so it makes complete sense and once again it was an easy deal to do.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I didnt think so, especially not at the end when they were just waiting for us to force the pass. 

At the moment we are most suited to playing on the counter attack. Its how our best results came and it suits players like Richarlison, DCL, Walcott who are direct and cant unpick defences. Even at the end of last season, when it came to creating chances and taking them against teams that parked the bus it was much harder. Lots of the top teams struggle against these sides and with better players. Liverpool were struggling at the start under Klopp but now they are much better. It takes time to develop and isnt something that will be resolved in one season with a blunted attack.

I can't remember many games were we had a bucket load of chances. The way we played last season meant we got a fair few half chances but it doesn't create enough clear cut ones. We seem to have to work much harder than other teams and our expected goals is quite low, luckily we were clinical last season. 

Looking at Klopp his first season focused on fitness, purely getting the team pressing. He then tuned his counter attack. I don't see signs of Silva tuning the tactics, rather he's blaming the lack of signings at the minute and last season he used to babble after games rather than take responsibility. 

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11 minutes ago, nogs said:

Klopp also bought Mane, Matip and Wijnaldum in his first summer transfer window. In his second, he bought Salah, Robertson and Oxlade-Chamberlain, followed by Van Dijk the January after. Klopp has done what most managers do at a club, impose a preferred playing style partly through acquiring players suited to it. Silva is trying to do the same, and if he says he needs five more players to improve on what we did last season, I see no reason not to accept that - especially as it is obvious to everyone that he inherited a horribly imbalanced yet bloated squad which, when you remove the dead wood, is threadbare on quality in key areas. 

Silva got Digne, Bernard, Richarlison, Gomes, Zuoma (and Mina). Walcott hadn't long joined either. With Delph coming in Silva has had his fair share of players. Find it quite rude of him to moan about the lack of signings when he's already had his fill last season and what an amazing job Brands did. Club is apparently trying to get big deals done, Silva should focus on his side and get the players fit and the football right. 

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Nogs point is key about the squad. If you take into account the first team players only you have:

GK - Pickford, Lossl, Stek (sorted)

RB - Coleman, Holgate

LB - Digne, Baines

CB - Keane, Mina

CM - Gomes, Delph, Schneiderlin, McCarthy, Gueye

AM - Siggy, Davies

LW - Bernard

RW - Richarlison, Walcott

CF - DCL, Tosun, Niasse

I appreciate that you could play Holgate at CB but I only just about trust him to do a job at RB. Davies could play deeper, but his best position is floating around further upfield. Gueye looks likely to go and it remains to be seen whether Baines can stay fit enough to be a able deputy to Digne. Throw in that we dont have a striker that has proven he can score more than 10 goals a season (without being shite in every other department - Niasse) then the squad is in a very strange and transitional period.

Of the young lads, the only ones I think look capable of playing any part this season are Gibson, Broadhead and Adeniran, however all 3 will benefit more from a loan and playing week in week out. They certainly wouldnt be ready to come in and play every week without making mistakes and hampering the team.

In my opinion we need at least 1 winger, 1 proper striker and 2 centre backs this season. In the future we need another 10 (as I dont see Davies being quite good enough to hold that position down on his own at the moment), a both full backs. We will also need a winger to replace Walcott as well over the next couple of seasons as well as a 3rd striker.

I am gutted that it doesnt look like we can get Zouma, he could have covered CB and RB. Im not sure there are many other CBs around the league that would fit the bill. I am still a fan of Lascelles, but I am not sure how he would fit in with our style of play. He could tank under Bruce with Rafa's tactics making him look better than he is. I think Christensen is a decent CB and would fit in. I still like Ake too and if anything Bournemouth's way of playing makes him look worse. That is probably the lot though.

Staying with Bournemouth I would also look at King who can score and create, decent pace, strong with good technique, and Fraser who works hard, creates and can finish (aka Scottish Bernard with a goal in him). At Chelsea, I do wonder whether it would be worth trying to loan Abraham for a season if there were no other options. I think he would score a few in a half decent team and he 'might' do more than Tosun and Niasse would. I wouldnt be confident about it though.

Zaha would be an excellent signing for the right money. Reports are that we have put an offer in around the £50mil mark which I think is very reasonable and it could be similar to last summer where we wait and see if Palace crumble at the prospect of the player wanting away.

At Watford cases could be made for both Doucoure and Gray. I like the former but not sure he would be available but I wouldnt be convinced the latter would be much of an upgrade for the price, but he would be better than Tosun. West Ham have a few attacking players on the books now, so you could look at Lanzini but again would he be available and is he the same player having been on and off the treatment table a lot recently.

That is just an overview of the players in England but the pool is really shallow so you either have to put up a lot of money like we are with Zaha or take a chance of transforming a player like we are trying to with Delph. I just hope there are lots more available players abroad!

 

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48 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Silva got Digne, Bernard, Richarlison, Gomes, Zuoma (and Mina). Walcott hadn't long joined either. With Delph coming in Silva has had his fair share of players. Find it quite rude of him to moan about the lack of signings when he's already had his fill last season and what an amazing job Brands did. Club is apparently trying to get big deals done, Silva should focus on his side and get the players fit and the football right. 

Zouma is irrelevant as he is no longer at the club, Walcott even more irrelevant as he was brought in by the previous administration and has hardly suggested in 18 months he's of the quality we need to improve. Yeah we've brought in 6 new first team players since Silva arrived. But what's wrong with him saying we need more? Hardly being rude imo, just being ambitious. And recognising the weaknesses in the squad Bailey does an excellent job of detailing. 

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Honestly does anyone see any improvement on the team from last season, for me with less than 2 weeks to go I see know improvement at all quite the reverse to be honest. 

So as the article Dunc posted said Brands said he didn’t want to be in this position again but hey ho here we are scrambling around again in fucking panic management mode, what happened to last seasons comments of we have highlighted our targets and we want to get our business done early without the repeat of last summer, when they had very little time to work together to get the players they agreed on, so no excuse this time to be back in the same position again. 

Now it could be Moshiri isn’t playing ball or Brands is dragging the deals out, but what ever is happening Silva is showing the frustration that this isn’t going how he was led to expect it would. 

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5 minutes ago, StevO said:

It could be that our transfer targets weren’t interested or the selling clubs prices us out. There could be many many more reasons, but we won’t know, and we shouldn’t. 

We’ll have to see what Brands can pull off in the next week or so. 

Normally when you highlight your targets you have had some tentative enquires with the players agent, you do your home work first yet bar Gomes who was nailed on we haven’t secured any more , not good is it really to be fair, unless you believe Delph and Lossl were on that list. 

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Not quite panick mode for me yet. For all we know we could be deep in contract negotiations with several players by now... and honestly, I’m guessing we are.

Usually we have a few delegations going out and sorting things out, after we have targeted and spoken initially to agents etc. This year is probably the same.

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39 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Normally when you highlight your targets you have had some tentative enquires with the players agent, you do your home work first yet bar Gomes who was nailed on we haven’t secured any more , not good is it really to be fair, unless you believe Delph and Lossl were on that list. 

They will have done their homework, but things change. You never applied for a job and then not taken it when getting offered because things have changed? We’re dealing with very young lads here, not everything is a constant.

Selling club might offer a better contract, player might have since been contacted by a bigger club, there are so many things that can happen that change things.

I’m not trying to defend the club or anything here, but these are just the most obvious things that happen on a daily basis in football. 

I honestly believe Delph and Lossl were on the list. Both will have known they were available and the club would have known too. If they bought players they didn’t have an interest in, they shouldn’t be in the job. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Honestly does anyone see any improvement on the team from last season, for me with less than 2 weeks to go I see know improvement at all quite the reverse to be honest. 

So as the article Dunc posted said Brands said he didn’t want to be in this position again but hey ho here we are scrambling around again in fucking panic management mode, what happened to last seasons comments of we have highlighted our targets and we want to get our business done early without the repeat of last summer, when they had very little time to work together to get the players they agreed on, so no excuse this time to be back in the same position again. 

Now it could be Moshiri isn’t playing ball or Brands is dragging the deals out, but what ever is happening Silva is showing the frustration that this isn’t going how he was led to expect it would. 

I think it’s just simple maths, we needed to shift some of the deadwood before we could increase an already bloated wage bill

It’s going to take years to clear up the mess Walsh left behind

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2 hours ago, nogs said:

Zouma is irrelevant as he is no longer at the club, Walcott even more irrelevant as he was brought in by the previous administration and has hardly suggested in 18 months he's of the quality we need to improve. Yeah we've brought in 6 new first team players since Silva arrived. But what's wrong with him saying we need more? Hardly being rude imo, just being ambitious. And recognising the weaknesses in the squad Bailey does an excellent job of detailing. 

One player. There's still 5 first team players, 6 with Delph. Not many clubs have that big of a change over in 2 seasons. Silva is deflecting his poor preseason on the man who makes his job easier. If results don't go our way he'll not get any leeway this season even if we don't make any further signings. 

He's not taking ownership of poor performances. Silva is constantly blaming everyone but himself. He's not Everton. 

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37 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I think it’s just simple maths, we needed to shift some of the deadwood before we could increase an already bloated wage bill

It’s going to take years to clear up the mess Walsh left behind

Spot on we still have, Niasse, Bolassie, Miralless, Besic, Sandro to name 5 to sell, not all Walshes signings but they are players who are not up to the level we're aiming for, you can't have that many on your books who aren't good enough and continue to buy without moving at least some of them off the books permantly.

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28 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

Spot on we still have, Niasse, Bolassie, Miralless, Besic, Sandro to name 5 to sell, not all Walshes signings but they are players who are not up to the level we're aiming for, you can't have that many on your books who aren't good enough and continue to buy without moving at least some of them off the books permantly.

That’s strange there was more than them on the books that weren’t part of the team  when we bought Richarlison Digne Mina and Bernard 🤷‍♂️

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4 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Usually have more integrity than the average fan, but some slip through the cracks. 

I’m sure that’s more reputation that culture. But true, some do slip though the cracks. Some don’t have any integrity at all, some start fights and some even get racist. Not sure what fan integrity has to do with Marco not being Everton though. 

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12 minutes ago, StevO said:

I’m sure that’s more reputation that culture. But true, some do slip though the cracks. Some don’t have any integrity at all, some start fights and some even get racist. Not sure what fan integrity has to do with Marco not being Everton though. 

He's not taking responsibility, he's looking for excuses and passing blame onto a man that he should be giving more time and respect to considering how good a job he done last year. The club were close to sacking him last year and rather than work on himself he's already looking for an out blaming the clubs lack of signings. 

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1 hour ago, nogs said:

Really? Not many clubs average 3 new players a season? 

Look, you've made your views on Silva pretty clear, and will no doubt spend the rest of this season ramming those opinions down people's throats like you do with Gana. But it's the same pattern - you go completely OTT. Where's this insult to Brands you've imagined? For all you know Brands is just as frustrated at the hold up in getting identified targets through the door and 100% agrees with what Silva said. You're making up reasons to criticise an individual you've decided you don't like. Which really is just deflecting from the bigger picture of the situation the club finds itself in. The identity of the manager does not resolve the total mess we were in 14 months ago when Silva and Brands arrived. 

Not first team players better than what they've already got. Usually one or two and then the rest are replacing players they've lost or squad/kids. 

From the teams above us new players to get over 1800 minutes, less than that I'd consider them squad players. 

City: Bernardo. Liverpool: Alisson, Fabinho. Spurs: 0. Chelsea: Kepa, Jorginho. Man U: 0. Arsenal: Leno, Sokratis, Torreira, Guendouzi. Burnley: 0.

Arsenal aside the teams above us didn't change/improve their starting eleven that much. 

Back on Silva, he's deflecting the poor preseason on the lack of new signings and saying he wants five more players in. 

If the bloke needs five more players to do his job then he isn't a good coach. Work with what you've got and improve them. If the football doesn't work then find something that does. Don't blame the for not giving you a whole new starting eleven in two summers. 

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26 minutes ago, Matt said:

Oh, Pete :rolleyes:

prettu sure that we’ve always been after 3-5 players anyway. Most clubs will do the same. Doesn’t mean the managers are poor :doh: 

Being after is fine, my issue is the manager deflecting away from his poor preseason and putting the issues down to lack of transfers. I wouldn't want to work with a manager like him. 

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6 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Being after is fine, my issue is the manager deflecting away from his poor preseason and putting the issues down to lack of transfers. I wouldn't want to work with a manager like him. 

Every manager does that. All of them.

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2 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

I'm not going to blame lack of signings but am massively disappointed with our pre-season, expected some decent results. I mean a goalless draw against Wigan?

I’m not really bothered, it was always going to be about getting people fit. We won’t see any of the kids near the first team, but it’s given them a taste of something to keep working towards. I think the preseason should be seen as no more than a fitness and team building event. 

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Not first team players better than what they've already got. Usually one or two and then the rest are replacing players they've lost or squad/kids. 

From the teams above us new players to get over 1800 minutes, less than that I'd consider them squad players. 

City: Bernardo. Liverpool: Alisson, Fabinho. Spurs: 0. Chelsea: Kepa, Jorginho. Man U: 0. Arsenal: Leno, Sokratis, Torreira, Guendouzi. Burnley: 0.

Arsenal aside the teams above us didn't change/improve their starting eleven that much. 

What period are you talking about now? Bernard Silva arrived at City the same season as Kyle Walker, Ederson, Mendy and Laporte - a pretty major overhaul which ended up in them dominating the league. That same season Liverpool signed Salah, Robertson, Oxlade-Chamberlain and then Van Dijk in the January. Allison, Fabinho and Keita came a year later. 

Or should double Premier league winner Guardiola and CL winner Klopp have just got on with what they had? Its a pretty simple concept, if you want to improve you need better players. Or at least have a squad good enough to give you quality cover in all areas. 

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