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26 minutes ago, Matt said:

Oh, Pete :rolleyes:

prettu sure that we’ve always been after 3-5 players anyway. Most clubs will do the same. Doesn’t mean the managers are poor :doh: 

Being after is fine, my issue is the manager deflecting away from his poor preseason and putting the issues down to lack of transfers. I wouldn't want to work with a manager like him. 

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6 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Being after is fine, my issue is the manager deflecting away from his poor preseason and putting the issues down to lack of transfers. I wouldn't want to work with a manager like him. 

Every manager does that. All of them.

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2 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

I'm not going to blame lack of signings but am massively disappointed with our pre-season, expected some decent results. I mean a goalless draw against Wigan?

I’m not really bothered, it was always going to be about getting people fit. We won’t see any of the kids near the first team, but it’s given them a taste of something to keep working towards. I think the preseason should be seen as no more than a fitness and team building event. 

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Not first team players better than what they've already got. Usually one or two and then the rest are replacing players they've lost or squad/kids. 

From the teams above us new players to get over 1800 minutes, less than that I'd consider them squad players. 

City: Bernardo. Liverpool: Alisson, Fabinho. Spurs: 0. Chelsea: Kepa, Jorginho. Man U: 0. Arsenal: Leno, Sokratis, Torreira, Guendouzi. Burnley: 0.

Arsenal aside the teams above us didn't change/improve their starting eleven that much. 

What period are you talking about now? Bernard Silva arrived at City the same season as Kyle Walker, Ederson, Mendy and Laporte - a pretty major overhaul which ended up in them dominating the league. That same season Liverpool signed Salah, Robertson, Oxlade-Chamberlain and then Van Dijk in the January. Allison, Fabinho and Keita came a year later. 

Or should double Premier league winner Guardiola and CL winner Klopp have just got on with what they had? Its a pretty simple concept, if you want to improve you need better players. Or at least have a squad good enough to give you quality cover in all areas. 

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

I don’t think many managers are bothered about a poor pre season. 

Liverpool have lost loads of games, but there’s a fucking massive trophy in the cabinet. When the real matches start, that’s when we can judge them. 

I'm not arsed about results in preseason. I'm arsed Silva isn't taking responsibility. 

12 minutes ago, nogs said:

What period are you talking about now? Bernard Silva arrived at City the same season as Kyle Walker, Ederson, Mendy and Laporte - a pretty major overhaul which ended up in them dominating the league. That same season Liverpool signed Salah, Robertson, Oxlade-Chamberlain and then Van Dijk in the January. Allison, Fabinho and Keita came a year later. 

Or should double Premier league winner Guardiola and CL winner Klopp have just got on with what they had? Its a pretty simple concept, if you want to improve you need better players. Or at least have a squad good enough to give you quality cover in all areas. 

I just went off last year. Didn't realise he'd been there for two. So city had 0 new starters then last year, you've strengthened my point if anything. 

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27 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'm not arsed about results in preseason. I'm arsed Silva isn't taking responsibility. 

I just went off last year. Didn't realise he'd been there for two. So city had 0 new starters then last year, you've strengthened my point if anything. 

Rodri springs to mind, without looking up further 

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39 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'm not arsed about results in preseason. I'm arsed Silva isn't taking responsibility. 

Responsibility for what? If you’re not arsed about pre season that is. 

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25 minutes ago, Matt said:

Rodri springs to mind, without looking up further 

He's new for this season, and he's come in to replace one of the old guard. 

We've collected loads of players since Moshiri come. If Alladyce can get 8th with the mess, I expect the next manager to do better after the clean up job Brands did. 

13 minutes ago, StevO said:

Responsibility for what? If you’re not arsed about pre season that is. 

The preseason being poor. This is what I said earlier in the thread. 

On 27/07/2019 at 21:27, pete0 said:

Hate that he never takes responsibility about the the football being poor and is very Martinez. Fair enough preseason is more about fitness and I'd have no qualms if he said that's the most important thing but I want him to add he's disappointed the football isn't flowing and they'll work on it rather than blame the tired players and excusing the second match as it's the reserves. For me it wasn't the quality of the players that was the issue today, man for man we have more quality than Mainz, it's the tactics that aren't working/isn't creating enough chances. 

 

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49 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'm not arsed about results in preseason. I'm arsed Silva isn't taking responsibility. 

I just went off last year. Didn't realise he'd been there for two. So city had 0 new starters then last year, you've strengthened my point if anything. 

You should be PM mate you could show BJ a thing or two about spinning your own bollocks! 

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Just now, nogs said:

You should be PM mate you could show BJ a thing or two about spinning your own bollocks! 

How's stating facts spinning bollocks? I had one error and it was in my arguments favour when you corrected it. Average number of first team players brought in by the clubs above is was 1. We've already brought one in. We managed just fine doing with Moyes and then it was harder as we weren't adding we were replacing. 

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12 minutes ago, pete0 said:

The preseason being poor. This is what I said earlier in the thread. 

But your not bothered about pre season, so why are you bothered about him taking responsibility? That’s what I don’t get. 

It’s pre season, so who cares really?

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20 minutes ago, pete0 said:

How's stating facts spinning bollocks? I had one error and it was in my arguments favour when you corrected it. Average number of first team players brought in by the clubs above is was 1. We've already brought one in. We managed just fine doing with Moyes and then it was harder as we weren't adding we were replacing. 

You said 'most' teams don't bring in 6 first team players over the course of two close seasons, using that as a pretext to imply Silva should be happy with what he's got. I've already shown you're wrong about Liverpool and Man City, who have both signed 6-plus first teamers over the past two years, and that's from positions of having much stronger squads than we do to start with. They are the current best examples going of how to invest to progress, which is exactly what we should be doing. 

BTW, just had a quick scan of Transfer Markt. I count 9 first team Chelsea arrivals since summer 2017, 6 for Man Utd, 4 for Spurs, 9 for Arsenal. So in the two close seasons we've had under Silva, we've still signed less than the average number signed in the previous two years by all the teams we're trying to catch up to. And that's while trying to undo the damage of the 2017/18 summer window. 

Just an opinion, but I'd be fucking furious with any manager and DoF who was 'accepting what we've got' at this stage. 

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42 minutes ago, pete0 said:

He's new for this season, and he's come in to replace one of the old guard. 

We've collected loads of players since Moshiri come. If Alladyce can get 8th with the mess, I expect the next manager to do better after the clean up job Brands did. 

The preseason being poor. This is what I said earlier in the thread. 

 

You decided you didn't like Silva before he came, because you wanted to keep Allardyce around. Now that's someone who doesn't "get Everton." I find it hypocritical that you are upset with Silva for not taking responsibility when that other tub of lard deflected blame after every single match.

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24 minutes ago, StevO said:

But your not bothered about pre season, so why are you bothered about him taking responsibility? That’s what I don’t get. 

It’s pre season, so who cares really?

I don't know how I can be any clearer. I'm arsed about him deflecting and blaming others, rather than taking responsibility. Not just preseason, but as a man in general he is lacking. If you can't accept you need to improve you never will, and by looking for excuses rather than improvements you will never be good enough for your club. 

15 minutes ago, nogs said:

You said 'most' teams don't bring in 6 first team players over the course of two close seasons, using that as a pretext to imply Silva should be happy with what he's got. I've already shown you're wrong about Liverpool and Man City, who have both signed 6-plus first teamers over the past two years, and that's from positions of having much stronger squads than we do to start with. They are the current best examples going of how to invest to progress, which is exactly what we should be doing. 

BTW, just had a quick scan of Transfer Markt. I count 9 first team Chelsea arrivals since summer 2017, 6 for Man Utd, 4 for Spurs, 9 for Arsenal. So in the two close seasons we've had under Silva, we've still signed less than the average number signed in the previous two years by all the teams we're trying to catch up to. And that's while trying to undo the damage of the 2017/18 summer window. 

Just an opinion, but I'd be fucking furious with any manager and DoF who was 'accepting what we've got' at this stage. 

I've done last years. Feel free to post the season before. 

We've got 5 in already. A full team if you count the two seasons before. Yet the manager wants another 5! Very MO'N at Villa. At what point do you say actually as a coach you should be getting the players you've got playing? 

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5 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

You decided you didn't like Silva before he came, because you wanted to keep Allardyce around. Now that's someone who doesn't "get Everton." I find it hypocritical that you are upset with Silva for not taking responsibility when that other tub of lard deflected blame after every single match.

He had an unbalanced squad of other managers players. Addressed our lack of pace (Walcott) and a striker (Tosun), did want a midfielder (Nzonzi) as well but it fell through. 

I was unsure on Silva and didn't like how the club approached him. Didn't know enough about him to have that strong of an opinion. 

Manager wise I want Mourinho. 

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Just now, pete0 said:

He had an unbalanced squad of other managers players. Addressed our lack of pace (Walcott) and a striker (Tosun), did want a midfielder (Nzonzi) as well but it fell through. 

I was unsure on Silva and didn't like how the club approached him. Didn't know enough about him to have that strong of an opinion. 

Avoiding my point. You're mad at Silva for not taking responsibility. Sam never took responsibility.

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1 minute ago, pete0 said:

He had an unbalanced squad of other managers players. Addressed our lack of pace (Walcott) and a striker (Tosun), did want a midfielder (Nzonzi) as well but it fell through. 

I was unsure on Silva and didn't like how the club approached him. Didn't know enough about him to have that strong of an opinion. 

Manager wise I want Mourinho. 

You liked fat Sam and you want that dinosaur? 

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24 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Avoiding my point. You're mad at Silva for not taking responsibility. Sam never took responsibility.

So that means Silva doesn't have to? Alladyce was working with a mess and got 8th, my biggest criticism would be that he never gave the youth enough of a chance (still he did more than Silva). 

23 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

You liked fat Sam and you want that dinosaur? 

Not like but can appreciate his experience. I'd have liked him to stay one more year to sort the defence and midfield out. Preference before he come was Unsworth but with Allardyce come and help Unsworth. 

Mourinho had a mess and got them second on the league and won the Europa only 2 years ago, premier league 4 years ago.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jose-mourinho/erfolge/trainer/781

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3 minutes ago, pete0 said:

So that means Silva doesn't have to? Alladyce was working with a mess and got 8th, my biggest criticism would be that he never gave the youth enough of a chance (still he did more than Silva). 

Not like but can appreciate his experience. I'd have liked him to stay one more year to sort the defence and midfield out.

Mourinho had a mess and got them second on the league and won the Europa only 2 years ago, premier league 4 years ago.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jose-mourinho/erfolge/trainer/781

No, I'm saying be consistent in your criticisms. Allardyce didn't get Everton and didn't deserve to stay here any longer. He also had us play the most boring football I've ever watched us play.

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1 hour ago, Sibdane said:

No, I'm saying be consistent in your criticisms. Allardyce didn't get Everton and didn't deserve to stay here any longer. He also had us play the most boring football I've ever watched us play.

He didn't have the 5 extra players Silva did. Can you imagine what Silva world have done with that sane squad? We'd have been a lot closer to relegation. 

I'm sure I did criticise Alladyce were and when he deserved it. He kept picking Gana for one and dropped Vlasic. 

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30 minutes ago, pete0 said:

He didn't have the 5 extra players Silva did. Can you imagine what Silva world have done with that sane squad? We'd have been a lot closer to relegation. 

I'm sure I did criticise Alladyce were and when he deserved it. He kept picking Gana for one and dropped Vlasic. 

But you don't know that as fact, so what Silva would or wouldn't have done is irrelevant. All I'm reading is that you're making excuses for Allardyce to justify your criticism of Silva when Allardyce was way worse at taking responsibility. 

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

I don't know how I can be any clearer. I'm arsed about him deflecting and blaming others, rather than taking responsibility. Not just preseason, but as a man in general he is lacking. If you can't accept you need to improve you never will, and by looking for excuses rather than improvements you will never be good enough for your club. 

I've done last years. Feel free to post the season before. 

We've got 5 in already. A full team if you count the two seasons before. Yet the manager wants another 5! Very MO'N at Villa. At what point do you say actually as a coach you should be getting the players you've got playing? 

When he's got enough players in that he thinks are good enough. 

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43 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

But you don't know that as fact, so what Silva would or wouldn't have done is irrelevant. All I'm reading is that you're making excuses for Allardyce to justify your criticism of Silva when Allardyce was way worse at taking responsibility. 

What excuses to justify? 

I've said Silva doesn't take responsibility. Do you think he does? 

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3 hours ago, pete0 said:

I don't know how I can be any clearer. I'm arsed about him deflecting and blaming others, rather than taking responsibility. Not just preseason, but as a man in general he is lacking. If you can't accept you need to improve you never will, and by looking for excuses rather than improvements you will never be good enough for your club.

Why should Silva have an appraisal in front of the media. I find it absolutely ridiculous that anyone actually listens to a word a manager says in a press conference, especially one where English isnt their first language. Its all about deflection and psychology. 

3 hours ago, pete0 said:

He had an unbalanced squad of other managers players. Addressed our lack of pace (Walcott) and a striker (Tosun), did want a midfielder (Nzonzi) as well but it fell through. 

I was unsure on Silva and didn't like how the club approached him. Didn't know enough about him to have that strong of an opinion. 

Manager wise I want Mourinho. 

Fuck me, justifying a manager by saying he signed Walcott and Tosun. Both expensive and at least one on big wages and both unlikely to see a profit once inflation has been taken into account.

Mourinho 😂😂😂 You arent happy about Silva deflecting and yet you want Mourinho!? Hilarious.

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Crikey crikey...tryna click on a thread to read that doesn't involve PeteO doing what he does is like tryna get a tit wank off a pair of A Cups.

C'mon mate...relax a bit. Would make a good solicitor mind!!!

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Anyway...Summer Transfer Window...Just thinking how frustrating it must be as a manager, if you want new players and have identified key areas, to be less than 2 weeks away from the new season and still not have the blokes in.

I always hope we get stuff done early...I think we did last year??? It's not a critiscm of anyone, just seems to be a tricky window.

I've no doubt we'll get some signings. No idea who. Just wish they'd happen a lot earlier.

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18 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Anyway...Summer Transfer Window...Just thinking how frustrating it must be as a manager, if you want new players and have identified key areas, to be less than 2 weeks away from the new season and still not have the blokes in.

I always hope we get stuff done early...I think we did last year??? It's not a critiscm of anyone, just seems to be a tricky window.

I've no doubt we'll get some signings. No idea who. Just wish they'd happen a lot earlier.

Totally agree mate, now prepare yourself for the flack I had plenty for saying the same thing, or maybe it was because they don’t like me, but either way we are always last to the party 🎈 sorry the balloon is red but I didn’t buy them. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Totally agree mate, now prepare yourself for the flack I had plenty for saying the same thing, or maybe it was because they don’t like me, but either way we are always last to the party 🎈 sorry the balloon is red but I didn’t buy them. 

We love ya mate.

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

Totally agree mate, now prepare yourself for the flack I had plenty for saying the same thing, or maybe it was because they don’t like me, but either way we are always last to the party 🎈 sorry the balloon is red but I didn’t buy them. 

Three weeks ago wasn’t the time to worry mate, now is a whole lot more reasonable. 

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2 minutes ago, StevO said:

Three weeks ago wasn’t the time to worry mate, now is a whole lot more reasonable. 

Steve mate I know the script with us no matter who's in control it never changes, last summer's transfer window they were running through the streets of Barcelona with hours left to get deals done, if they carry on in this vein they could be running through the streets of Grimsby try to get deals done😃

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3 hours ago, Bailey said:

Why should Silva have an appraisal in front of the media. I find it absolutely ridiculous that anyone actually listens to a word a manager says in a press conference, especially one where English isnt their first language. Its all about deflection and psychology. 

Fuck me, justifying a manager by saying he signed Walcott and Tosun. Both expensive and at least one on big wages and both unlikely to see a profit once inflation has been taken into account.

Mourinho 😂😂😂 You arent happy about Silva deflecting and yet you want Mourinho!? Hilarious.

He doesn't need an appraisal, just be shouldn't be blaming the club and indirectly blaming the players he's got. It's not just preseason, he done it all last year. Nothing was ever his fault. Always says someone never took a chance or the other team was lucky and we weren't. No language barrier issues in what he says, only ever deflects away from himself and his football philosophy. Mourinho for the most part does the opposite takes the pressure off the players. (althoue there was the Luke Shaw treatment which was out of order and got odd). Nearly every former player speaks of him with high regard, Matic followed him and Willian was keen to follow too. 

Walcott was a breath of fresh air, and even if he didn't kick a ball for us again he was worth every penny for adding some excitement to an otherwise unwatchable side. Tosun done a job for Alladyce, scored a few goals to keep us in the top half when people were scared we'd be in a relegation fight. We overpaid as it was January but he was always a risk signing (tbf to Alladyce be wanted Aubameyang, or so he claims). 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

He doesn't need an appraisal, just be shouldn't be blaming the club and indirectly blaming the players he's got. It's not just preseason, he done it all last year. Nothing was ever his fault. Always says someone never took a chance or the other team was lucky and we weren't. No language barrier issues in what he says, only ever deflects away from himself and his football philosophy. Mourinho for the most part does the opposite takes the pressure off the players. (althoue there was the Luke Shaw treatment which was out of order and got odd). Nearly every former player speaks of him with high regard, Matic followed him and Willian was keen to follow too. 

Walcott was a breath of fresh air, and even if he didn't kick a ball for us again he was worth every penny for adding some excitement to an otherwise unwatchable side. Tosun done a job for Alladyce, scored a few goals to keep us in the top half when people were scared we'd be in a relegation fight. We overpaid as it was January but he was always a risk signing (tbf to Alladyce be wanted Aubameyang, or so he claims). 

Mourinho has torn into his players loads of times and for what its worth everyone  who has worked with him speaks highly of Marco too. 

What you have just said about Marco is basically every football manager and player in the land. Klopp blames the weather FFS, Wenger sees fuck all when it suits him and Fergie blamed the ref every 2nd sentence. 

Walcott was great for about 2 games and Im sure Marco would quite fancy Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar. If only ey.

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8 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Mourinho has torn into his players loads of times and for what its worth everyone  who has worked with him speaks highly of Marco too. 

What you have just said about Marco is basically every football manager and player in the land. Klopp blames the weather FFS, Wenger sees fuck all when it suits him and Fergie blamed the ref every 2nd sentence. 

Walcott was great for about 2 games and Im sure Marco would quite fancy Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar. If only ey.

I've no problem if a manager kicks them up the backside now and again if they deserve it. But when the players aren't performing because of the system you shouldn't blame the players. Those other managers are distracting away from the players though, whereas Silva is doing it away from his poor tactics/decisions he's protecting himself whereas the other managers are protecting the club.

Other than Richarlison I don't see as much appreciation for Silva, although his career is a lot shorter. Time will tell. 

Walcott got a goal or an assist every 190 mins. 3g+3a /1153mins

Tosun had a similar contribution with 5 goals in 991 minutes. One every 198 mins. 

Between the two of them they got 8 of the 19 goals we scored. Alladyce got the best out of them. Whereas Silva tried to force Tosun into a system that he doesn't suit. Good managers adapt to the players they have. 

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10 hours ago, pete0 said:

I've no problem if a manager kicks them up the backside now and again if they deserve it. But when the players aren't performing because of the system you shouldn't blame the players. Those other managers are distracting away from the players though, whereas Silva is doing it away from his poor tactics/decisions he's protecting himself whereas the other managers are protecting the club.

Other than Richarlison I don't see as much appreciation for Silva, although his career is a lot shorter. Time will tell. 

Walcott got a goal or an assist every 190 mins. 3g+3a /1153mins

Tosun had a similar contribution with 5 goals in 991 minutes. One every 198 mins. 

Between the two of them they got 8 of the 19 goals we scored. Alladyce got the best out of them. Whereas Silva tried to force Tosun into a system that he doesn't suit. Good managers adapt to the players they have. 

Fans wanted a change to the system. They got it with Silva. We can't have it both ways.

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57 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Fans wanted a change to the system. They got it with Silva. We can't have it both ways.

I expect a manager to play a player to his strengths. How Silva uses Tosun is baffling especially when he comes on as a sub. 

No problem changing the system but it should be one that works for the players you've got, there needs to be flexibility depending on the opposition as well. As far as I can see we have no plan B and players are being pigeon holed into roles they're not suited to. 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

Joe royle doing the business. So he should. Would hope tranmere get a few loans out of us aswell. 

Me too, loans to Tranmere could be ideal for all parties, Tranmere need players, and the player stays near his base, particularly hpgood for the younger players.

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29 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

players that need to go away:

 

niasse besic bolasie mirallas mccarthy tosun pennington, martina, onyekuru

At this point it's looking like Mirallas/Holgate will serve as backup RB so wouldnt be shocked to see him stay. Yikes. 

Niasse bolasie tosun and onyekuru all look destined for loans in Turkey. Would be great if we could sell at least two. 

Pennington to champ/l1. Martina to eredivisie? McCarthy to Newcastle/Palace? 

Not a single link to Besic which is odd. Could he be including in deal with the guy from Mainz? Bundesliga could be his level. 

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4 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

At this point it's looking like Mirallas/Holgate will serve as backup RB so wouldnt be shocked to see him stay. Yikes. 

Niasse bolasie tosun and onyekuru all look destined for loans in Turkey. Would be great if we could sell at least two. 

Pennington to champ/l1. Martina to eredivisie? McCarthy to Newcastle/Palace? 

Not a single link to Besic which is odd. Could he be including in deal with the guy from Mainz? Bundesliga could be his level. 

i'd be fine with all of that.  another thing to keep in mind is Niasse, Mirallas, Mccarthy, Martina, Stek, Baines are all out of contract next year, which is a lot of dead wood (baines excepted).

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55 minutes ago, Bailey said:

So when Mourinho does it thats fine because its the players yet when Silva does its because of the "system"? Then when other managers deflect its to protect the club and yet Silva does it to protect himself? Hmmm...

Before Silva joined there were several interviews on SSN of ex players praising Silva. He is known as a brilliant man manager, its why people signed for him, its why we turned it round last season when they capitulated in similar circumstances for Martinez and Koeman.

Quote all the stats you like but you are using them to mask their true inpact on the team. Walcott was crap bar those first 3 games and Tosun, which is well established that Walsh scouted and signed, did Ok with fuck all service but hasnt kicked on from that. How on earth you can say Allardyce's got the best out of Tosun when he was isolated all game every game is beyond ridiculous. 

Just to add to the effectiveness of Tosun under Allardyce / Silva. In the Premier League Tosun played approx 90 mins more for Silva than Allardyce but managed 18 more shots, 9 more on target. So in getting the best out of Tosun was Allardyce planning on him having less shots? Furthermore Tosun bagged 3 assists under Silva compared to none under Allardyce, making his total involvement in goals to 6 v 5 for Allardyce. Im not saying that this categorically means Silva got the best out of him but it strongly suggests that Allardyce did as well as you are making out.

Twist it all you like. Think I've been clear I enough explaining the difference. 

 Most the teams we beat in that run clearly had issues. We still got comfortably beat by Fulham and couldn't break down Palace or beat Spurs reserves. But apparently that's okay as we beat Man United who were on a come down from the champions league 

Compare Tosun and Walcott under Alladyce to under Silva. Last season Tosun looked like a headless chicken and Walcott wasn't utilised often enough. Blame Walsh for signing him, I don't care, point I'm making is Alladyce got more out of those two players. 

Stats look similar but over 90 minutes he played better for Alladyce. Like I say above he looked like a headless chicken under Silva. I'm not saying Alladyce is the messiah, just that he knew how to use Walcott and Tosun better. 

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I'm a Walcott fan but he was indifferent at best for the second half of last season, and Tosun is not a premier league striker, at least not playing upfront alone.

Silva solved the defensive crises that most people thought would cost him his job, he got us playing attractive football, he made Goodison a fortress again, and we beat the top 6 teams we have capitulated so to easily before. 

Silva reminds me of Morinho, before he went mad, he has the ability to lead us to greatness.

Lastly he is part of the team, along with Brands that has been put in place, he deserves a season at least.

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Twist it all you like. Think I've been clear I enough explaining the difference. 

 Most the teams we beat in that run clearly had issues. We still got comfortably beat by Fulham and couldn't break down Palace or beat Spurs reserves. But apparently that's okay as we beat Man United who were on a come down from the champions league 

Compare Tosun and Walcott under Alladyce to under Silva. Last season Tosun looked like a headless chicken and Walcott wasn't utilised often enough. Blame Walsh for signing him, I don't care, point I'm making is Alladyce got more out of those two players. 

Stats look similar but over 90 minutes he played better for Alladyce. Like I say above he looked like a headless chicken under Silva. I'm not saying Alladyce is the messiah, just that he knew how to use Walcott and Tosun better. 

Im not twisting anything. It reads to me like you have one rule for Silva and one rule for everyone else.

I disagree completely about Tosun and Walcott.

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