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We should at least ask if that’s the price. He’d be first choice here for many years. I’d sell Kenny in a heartbeat to get someone of Aaron’s quality in - I really rate him.

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43 minutes ago, c1982 said:

We should at least ask if that’s the price. He’d be first choice here for many years. I’d sell Kenny in a heartbeat to get someone of Aaron’s quality in - I really rate him.

Aarons should go somewhere he'll play every week, not be a back-up. Even if it is Bayern.

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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I love the way he realises the error of his ways - he realises he was actually available to receive a pass - quickly gives it back and gets himself marked out of receiving it again. 

That my friends is called being a shithouse. 

The mistake is that he should be trying to turn especially as he is under no pressure but I have no problem with the move he makes after that. He moves into space and its pretty clear that he is expecting the ball to move to the other side of the pitch and he starts moving across the pitch. 

 

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Just now, Bailey said:

The mistake is that he should be trying to turn especially as he is under no pressure but I have no problem with the move he makes after that. He moves into space and its pretty clear that he is expecting the ball to move to the other side of the pitch and he starts moving across the pitch. 

 

The mistake is trying to imagine that you've ever seen him take the ball on the half turn.

Why would he move in line with the two players and sandwich himself?  Why wouldn't he move out and try and drag a player?  It's gylfi all over for you. 

There wasn't just the one clip btw.... there's quite a collection of gylfi getting himself marked and pointing at someone else for a player to pass to. 

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2 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

The mistake is trying to imagine that you've ever seen him take the ball on the half turn.

Why would he move in line with the two players and sandwich himself?  Why wouldn't he move out and try and drag a player?  It's gylfi all over for you. 

There wasn't just the one clip btw.... there's quite a collection of gylfi getting himself marked and pointing at someone else for a player to pass to. 

He did later in the game and fed someone in, can't remember who, might have been Kean but couldn't get a shot off.

If the ball was to stay exactly where it was I would agree with you but the ball moves to the left so as soon as the ball moves he becomes available to receive the ball in space. 

A lot of people think you have to be constantly moving to receive the ball but you don't. You move into space and then trust your teammates to find you. KDB doesn't go hunting around the pitch to pick up the ball, he stands in space and then moves with that space until the ball comes to him. Watching the highlights back Siggy could have had 3 goals from that same type of play. Walcott should have cut the ball back but instead he shot, the goal we scored he was free and then the blast over where he supported the counter attack. 

For me its when he is in the position he is in and he doesn't take responsibility by controlling the ball and turning and looking to go forward instead of back. That is the cardinal sin that pisses me off. In my view that's him passing the buck to Gomes to do something with it. Its fine if we are 3 up and running out the game but now when we are trying to get back into the game.

Could you imagine say Grealish taking a ball in that position and not turning and starting an attack. It was a lazy, safe, shithouse move to knock it back. That's the problem, a massive problem with all 3 that played in midfield because they all largely did the same. Davies less so yesterday. 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

He did later in the game and fed someone in, can't remember who, might have been Kean but couldn't get a shot off.

If the ball was to stay exactly where it was I would agree with you but the ball moves to the left so as soon as the ball moves he becomes available to receive the ball in space. 

A lot of people think you have to be constantly moving to receive the ball but you don't. You move into space and then trust your teammates to find you. KDB doesn't go hunting around the pitch to pick up the ball, he stands in space and then moves with that space until the ball comes to him. Watching the highlights back Siggy could have had 3 goals from that same type of play. Walcott should have cut the ball back but instead he shot, the goal we scored he was free and then the blast over where he supported the counter attack. 

For me its when he is in the position he is in and he doesn't take responsibility by controlling the ball and turning and looking to go forward instead of back. That is the cardinal sin that pisses me off. In my view that's him passing the buck to Gomes to do something with it. Its fine if we are 3 up and running out the game but now when we are trying to get back into the game.

Could you imagine say Grealish taking a ball in that position and not turning and starting an attack. It was a lazy, safe, shithouse move to knock it back. That's the problem, a massive problem with all 3 that played in midfield because they all largely did the same. Davies less so yesterday. 

Bailey...  you will have to put some examples of KDB hiding from the ball - I see absolutely no parallels between Siggurdson and anyone else like you mentioned...  whether it be KDB, grealish, Madison, Pogba ..... anyone.  

He is a complete disgrace when he plays like that and the only thing you are trying to do is apply some overengineered tactical reason for it.  There is none,   he is a coward.

When you look at the easy target that Davies is and the way some people try and excuse siggy and Gomes for performances like that then some of our fans deserve lazy arsed mercenary players.  

Sick of it.  Too many players think they can fuck about and have no consequence for it. 

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6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Aarons should go somewhere he'll play every week, not be a back-up. Even if it is Bayern.

It would be harsh on kenny but that’s football. Definite step up on all we have in that position.

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It is imperative that we get our business done as early as possible in this window. If we're still faffing about come deadline day I'll be seriously pissed off. Got no problem with us making deals late in the window but if the important moves aren't done fairly early then I'll be asking serious questions of Brands and why the fuck we're paying him big money.

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Saw a post earlier about Brands not necessarily doing his supposed job of unearthing youngsters/soon to be stars from around the world which we could hopefully attract and nuture into the next stars of the game. I agree he's not done this yet but would us fans want this approach now - would we be happy with Brands finding and attracting the young Lozano's, Neres, VVDs and letting them grow for 2-3 seasons before they flourish.

I'm not sure we would - we want the ready made players and I think this is part of our problem now.  Our needs have changed, Carlo is a different manager and in a different place to the previous managers we had / thought we could attract. When Brands came in we were probably in a slightly better position than we are now thinking the only way is up and we have time to nurture these types of players. I dont think we do now, unless we are happy bobbing around 10-15th in the table for a couple of seasons. Brands' role has therefore changed in the time he's been here and he may be in unfamiliar territory for what the club needs - Hes not been in this role before where he has to deal for current stars and we probably do not have the money to provide him with the necessary to complete these types of deals, probably due to past club failures.

The board probably are going around in circles as to what the next step/phase/plan is  - do we stick or twist - do we stay with the original plan we had when Brands came to the club or do we change to get the most out of Carlo whilst he is here (and money allows)

 

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17 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Bailey...  you will have to put some examples of KDB hiding from the ball - I see absolutely no parallels between Siggurdson and anyone else like you mentioned...  whether it be KDB, grealish, Madison, Pogba ..... anyone.  

He is a complete disgrace when he plays like that and the only thing you are trying to do is apply some overengineered tactical reason for it.  There is none,   he is a coward.

When you look at the easy target that Davies is and the way some people try and excuse siggy and Gomes for performances like that then some of our fans deserve lazy arsed mercenary players.  

Sick of it.  Too many players think they can fuck about and have no consequence for it. 

That is because you see what you want Haf. Just watch Man City play and you will see exactly what I mean. There was a clip on MNF a year or so ago and it focused on his movement before he played on of those first time crosses into the box which they scored from. He just moved enough to keep himself far enough away from the defenders so that he could see the move and play the ball in one go, or take a touch and do what he needed to.

I don't know what I can say to you if you cannot see that he immediately moves into space and then the ball goes to our right and you can see the players heads move with the ball. Its bread and butter football.

I also don't see anyone trying to excuse Siggy or Gomes.

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16 minutes ago, Bailey said:

That is because you see what you want Haf. Just watch Man City play and you will see exactly what I mean. There was a clip on MNF a year or so ago and it focused on his movement before he played on of those first time crosses into the box which they scored from. He just moved enough to keep himself far enough away from the defenders so that he could see the move and play the ball in one go, or take a touch and do what he needed to.

I don't know what I can say to you if you cannot see that he immediately moves into space and then the ball goes to our right and you can see the players heads move with the ball. Its bread and butter football.

I also don't see anyone trying to excuse Siggy or Gomes.

In your experience of playing or watching football.... how does intelligent movement constitute having an opponent in between you and the person with the ball?

Angles.... where are the angles? He doesn't give any.  He never feigns,  he never offers decoys.... he makes it so easy for other players to mark him out the gane because he does that for them.

Siggurdson went near 3 games without making 1 tackle..... how does that happen. No player had been dribbled  past more than Gomes since the return..

But.... let's have a go at Tom

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IN: 
OUT: Schneiderlin, Hornby, Baines (retired), 
LOAN IN: 
LOAN OUT: Markelo

YOUTH: Nkounkou
YOUTH pro deals: Markelo, Ouzounidis, Quirk, Kristensen, McAllister, Hagan, Onyango
CONTRACT EXT: Branthwaite, 

OFFICIALLY RELEASED: Stekelenberg(Ajax) , Niasse, Martina, Garbutt, Feeney, Denny, Foulds, Adedoyin, Mampala, Phillips

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Tim Cahill tweeted this picture yesterday. We're so far away from this I'd almost forgotten it ever existed...and it wasn't that long ago. I always try to be the glass half full guy but this made me feel like crap. Everyone had a role, everyone knew their role, and most importantly everyone did it to the best of their ability. Carlo's comments about ambition, motivation and passion give me hope we can get back here. We've been chasing the wrong characters for years now. Ok I'm done...for now. 

 

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Devils advocate here.  What top clubs have all nice boys at them?  None.  They all have idiot playboys and me first egos.  The bigger the club the more of them (see Barca real juve psg).  United have pogba and lingard, most top teams have them.  You want a bunch of hard working role players root for burnley Bournemouth and Sheffield.  They aren’t going anywhere.

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11 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Tim Cahill tweeted this picture yesterday. We're so far away from this I'd almost forgotten it ever existed...and it wasn't that long ago. I always try to be the glass half full guy but this made me feel like crap. Everyone had a role, everyone knew their role, and most importantly everyone did it to the best of their ability. Carlo's comments about ambition, motivation and passion give me hope we can get back here. We've been chasing the wrong characters for years now. Ok I'm done...for now. 

 

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That team gave me hope. I can’t wait to have that again for Everton 

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Here's my story and i'm sticking to it:

2020/21 Starting XI: Ryan Coleman Holgate Umtiti Digne Chiesa Allan Gomes James Richarlison DCL

2020/21 Bench/reserves: Lossl Kenny Mina Gbamin McKennie Davies Walcott Iwobi Gordon Kean

Buy: Ryan(10m) Chiesa(50m) Allan(30m) James(25m) Umtiti(loan) McKennie(20m)    135m total

Sell: Pickford(30m) Gylfi (15m) Bernard(15m) Delph(7m) Keane(20m) Besic(5m) Tosun(10m) Bolasie(5m) Sandro(5m) Pennington(2m) Connolly(2m) Beni (1m) Dowell(3m)       120m total

Loan out: JVirginia Branthwaite Gibson, Nkounkou

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30 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Here's my story and i'm sticking to it:

2020/21 Starting XI: Ryan Coleman Holgate Umtiti Digne Chiesa Allan Gomes James Richarlison DCL

2020/21 Bench/reserves: Lossl Kenny Mina Gbamin McKennie Davies Walcott Iwobi Gordon Kean

Buy: Ryan Chiesa Allan James Umtiti(loan) McKennie

Sell: Pickford Gylfi Bernard Delph Keane Besic Tosun Bolasie Sandro Pennington Connolly Beni Dowell

Loan out: JVirginia Branthwaite Gibson, Nkounkou

I’ll have what you’re on mate :P 

assuming LCD produces real life results, what team do you foresee? Just for shits and giggles. 

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27 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Devils advocate here.  What top clubs have all nice boys at them?  None.  They all have idiot playboys and me first egos.  The bigger the club the more of them (see Barca real juve psg).  United have pogba and lingard, most top teams have them.  You want a bunch of hard working role players root for burnley Bournemouth and Sheffield.  They aren’t going anywhere.

Not to put words in your mouth but this is another narrative that gets me. Barca won things because of their midfield not Messi. Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets were/are world-class players who made Barca so successful. Messi may be the GOAT (don't want to get into that now) but look at where Barca is without those midfielders. Messi gets too much credit and not enough blame. I digress.

Couple of things here:

  1. This is exactly why Juve and PSG can't win the champions league. Built on individual talent which wins their crap leagues but can't sustain when defending/tackling as a team are required. Barca and Real (and now Liverpool sadly) are perfectly balanced with talent, ego and intensity. Hating to lose is a skill in today's world and we lack it almost across the board bar Richarlison, Holgate, Digne, Coleman. 
  2. The premier league top 4 has plenty of hard working players to complement their playboys.
    • ManU have Rashford, Bruno, McTominay, AWB, Greenwood, Matic 
    • City have Fernandinho, Aguero, D Silva, Laporte, Foden, Gundogan
    • Chelsea have Kante, Azpilicueta, Mount, Willian, Pulisic
    • The shite have Fabinho, Firmino, Milner, Henderson, Robertson, TAA
  3. Never said anything about role players. The team pictured above, of so-called role players, finished 7th and the subs bench consisted of names like Hibbert, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford, Magaye Gueye, Fellaini, Osman, Vellios, Anichebe and Rodwell. If we were able to surround that starting XI with a few more pieces champions league would have been a possibility. As it is now we're MILES away. Spurs and Arsenal both had shit seasons and wolves and leicester left us in the dust. We finished behind Burnley and Southampton FFS. 


 

 

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44 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Not to put words in your mouth but this is another narrative that gets me. Barca won things because of their midfield not Messi. Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets were/are world-class players who made Barca so successful. Messi may be the GOAT (don't want to get into that now) but look at where Barca is without those midfielders. Messi gets too much credit and not enough blame. I digress.

Couple of things here:

  1. This is exactly why Juve and PSG can't win the champions league. Built on individual talent which wins their crap leagues but can't sustain when defending/tackling as a team are required. Barca and Real (and now Liverpool sadly) are perfectly balanced with talent, ego and intensity. Hating to lose is a skill in today's world and we lack it almost across the board bar Richarlison, Holgate, Digne, Coleman. 
  2. The premier league top 4 has plenty of hard working players to complement their playboys.
    • ManU have Rashford, Bruno, McTominay, AWB, Greenwood, Matic 
    • City have Fernandinho, Aguero, D Silva, Laporte, Foden, Gundogan
    • Chelsea have Kante, Azpilicueta, Mount, Willian, Pulisic
    • The shite have Fabinho, Firmino, Milner, Henderson, Robertson, TAA
  3. Never said anything about role players. The team pictured above, of so-called role players, finished 7th and the subs bench consisted of names like Hibbert, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford, Magaye Gueye, Fellaini, Osman, Vellios, Anichebe and Rodwell. If we were able to surround that starting XI with a few more pieces champions league would have been a possibility. As it is now we're MILES away. Spurs and Arsenal both had shit seasons and wolves and leicester left us in the dust. We finished behind Burnley and Southampton FFS. 


 

 

I’m saying all the teams in CL perennially have a bunch of ego and selfish pricks on their squads.  Sure there are one offs like Leicester, but the ones that are there year by year are filled with the players most on here said they don’t want.  Maybe the issue isn’t those players, just a thought.  Ronaldo is all about himself and doesn’t work for the teAm, juve won the league and are still alive in CL.  Everton would love to be in that position.  Barca lives and dies with Messi.  PSG have Neymar being Neymar and mbappe doing a lite version of neymar.  Yet they win!  And win a lot!  They don’t play for the badge. They play for themselves and their paycheck.  Still win!  
 

just another point of view.  Not saying I agree with it, but I like to take a look at all view points myself before making a decision.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

I’m saying all the teams in CL perennially have a bunch of ego and selfish pricks on their squads.  Sure there are one offs like Leicester, but the ones that are there year by year are filled with the players most on here said they don’t want.  Maybe the issue isn’t those players, just a thought.  Ronaldo is all about himself and doesn’t work for the teAm, juve won the league and are still alive in CL.  Everton would love to be in that position.  Barca lives and dies with Messi.  PSG have Neymar being Neymar and mbappe doing a lite version of neymar.  Yet they win!  And win a lot!  They don’t play for the badge. They play for themselves and their paycheck.  Still win!  
 

just another point of view.  Not saying I agree with it, but I like to take a look at all view points myself before making a decision.

Yea understood I guess we view Ronaldo's work ethic and Barca's 'success' differently, at least within this conversation. I'm just not sure using Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe is fair for the devil's advocate POV. Everyone in the world would take those four on their team regardless of cost/work ethic issues. It's the tier/pool beneath that that we find ourselves swimming in and it's not working. We haven't found a single player whose ego or shitty work ethic can be overcome by their talent. And we probably never will that is where we're talking about the big global clubs. 

Also I'm with you to some extent as I want to sign James and believe me I'm under no illusion he gives a hoot about this club. 

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45 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Yea understood I guess we view Ronaldo's work ethic and Barca's 'success' differently, at least within this conversation. I'm just not sure using Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe is fair for the devil's advocate POV. Everyone in the world would take those four on their team regardless of cost/work ethic issues. It's the tier/pool beneath that that we find ourselves swimming in and it's not working. We haven't found a single player whose ego or shitty work ethic can be overcome by their talent. And we probably never will that is where we're talking about the big global clubs. 

Also I'm with you to some extent as I want to sign James and believe me I'm under no illusion he gives a hoot about this club. 

i think it's a good mix of both to be honest.  that everton team you posted was great, what if we had lukaku in that team?  sure he wasn't playing for the badge but a proper striker could have been the difference between 4-5 and 1-2 finish.  who knows?  that's what i'm saying.  it's great to have people playing for the badge (i love davies for this reason) but i think if we want CL we will have to accept some mercenaries and my current thought is that its up to the manager to balance all these types of players and get them playing together and motivated.  cue Carlo.  i feel we are in good hands.

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7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

In your experience of playing or watching football.... how does intelligent movement constitute having an opponent in between you and the person with the ball?

Angles.... where are the angles? He doesn't give any.  He never feigns,  he never offers decoys.... he makes it so easy for other players to mark him out the gane because he does that for them.

Siggurdson went near 3 games without making 1 tackle..... how does that happen. No player had been dribbled  past more than Gomes since the return..

But.... let's have a go at Tom

1. He moves into space.

2. As soon as the ball moves which it clearly is give the movement of Gomes and the way he is looking, he will then be in space to receive the ball from whoever gets it next. 

3. The ball clearly goes left and therefore he is correct. 

4. There was an article from a website called EPL index or something like that talking about the tactics in the game. In almost every still of us, Siggy is in space or moving into space.

5. Go back and look at the goal and the Walcott chance in the first half and tell me he isn't looking to receive the ball.

6. I think he plays the pass to Coleman before the goal by finding some space (can't check right now), and also look at the Coleman shot where he is in space and admittedly plays a shit ball to Coleman that luckily gets there. 

7. Yet again, everyone has had a go at all players, so don't go all poor Tom.

5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Devils advocate here.  What top clubs have all nice boys at them?  None.  They all have idiot playboys and me first egos.  The bigger the club the more of them (see Barca real juve psg).  United have pogba and lingard, most top teams have them.  You want a bunch of hard working role players root for burnley Bournemouth and Sheffield.  They aren’t going anywhere.

The main points have been covered by Albany but I will just add that I don't ever see an Everton team being a real Everton side without hard working grafters being a big part of the side. I'm not saying they all have to be like that but for me the best Everton performances have come through hard work and playing as a team, not by being flash or individuals.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

1. He moves into space.

2. As soon as the ball moves which it clearly is give the movement of Gomes and the way he is looking, he will then be in space to receive the ball from whoever gets it next. 

3. The ball clearly goes left and therefore he is correct. 

4. There was an article from a website called EPL index or something like that talking about the tactics in the game. In almost every still of us, Siggy is in space or moving into space.

5. Go back and look at the goal and the Walcott chance in the first half and tell me he isn't looking to receive the ball.

6. I think he plays the pass to Coleman before the goal by finding some space (can't check right now), and also look at the Coleman shot where he is in space and admittedly plays a shit ball to Coleman that luckily gets there. 

7. Yet again, everyone has had a go at all players, so don't go all poor Tom.

The main points have been covered by Albany but I will just add that I don't ever see an Everton team being a real Everton side without hard working grafters being a big part of the side. I'm not saying they all have to be like that but for me the best Everton performances have come through hard work and playing as a team, not by being flash or individuals.

What do you make of this one?  I read this one in particular.... less than 10 minutes left.

 

 

there's a load btw

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

What do you make of this one?  I read this one in particular.... less than 10 minutes left.

 

 

there's a load btw

 

 

 

I’m no big fan of Gylfi, but that looks to me like his not asking for the ball but he is also dictating where the play should go. To team mates in space and keeping possession. 
The pattern of play could have been to draw the opposition out, looks like they have a lot of men back there. It could also be a recovery phase of play (which always got the crowd on Schneiderlin’s back for doing that, though I’m sure his teammates appreciated it).

You can’t judge a passage of play on a seven second clip. You’d need to see at least 30 seconds and ideally the whole pitch to know exactly what’s going on. 
 

We have to always be at extremes with our players don’t we?! They have to be great or shit. They can’t just be out of form, they have to be shit houses or spineless. Looking forward to the next few weeks to not see so much negativity. It’s exhausting. 

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15 minutes ago, StevO said:

I’m no big fan of Gylfi, but that looks to me like his not asking for the ball but he is also dictating where the play should go. To team mates in space and keeping possession. 
The pattern of play could have been to draw the opposition out, looks like they have a lot of men back there. It could also be a recovery phase of play (which always got the crowd on Schneiderlin’s back for doing that, though I’m sure his teammates appreciated it).

You can’t judge a passage of play on a seven second clip. You’d need to see at least 30 seconds and ideally the whole pitch to know exactly what’s going on. 
 

We have to always be at extremes with our players don’t we?! They have to be great or shit. They can’t just be out of form, they have to be shit houses or spineless. Looking forward to the next few weeks to not see so much negativity. It’s exhausting. 

On the glimpse we get in that clip it looks clear that Siggy has the opportunity to get the ball slid into him and that he can then look or drive forward. Two issues, one he rarely ever dribbles or drives towards goal like that (never been in his game as infuriating as it is) and secondly like SteveO said we have no idea what was really happening at that point. Shape, space etc. Saying that we were 3-2 down and he could have got in between the lines. His delivery from set pieces and long range shooting is good but the finesse passing around the box and dribblin towards goal taking on the player isn’t in his locker. Calling him obscenities in my opinion isn’t right as I just don’t think he’s that type of player, never was or never will be. He does what he’s always done just he doesn’t fit with our team now or likely to in the future. 

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Since Barry how many midfielders have we had that take the ball on the turn and try to get it forward because I can only think of two and one of them was a striker, Rooney, the other being Davies. Gomes, Schneiderlin, Gana, and Sigurdssen have taken the piss out of this club. 

Similar situation with the defenders. The amount of times I've seen them pass the ball 10 yards forwards rather than carry it and allow the whole team to push up is infuriating. We've barely got a player that takes responsibility and drives the team forwards. Main two are probably Holgate and Davies which again must shows how much the seniors are taking the piss. I'll give a pass to Walcott, unlike his teammates do, as he's always making good runs but the shitbags in this team would rather give the ball sideways. 

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58 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Since Barry how many midfielders have we had that take the ball on the turn and try to get it forward because I can only think of two and one of them was a striker, Rooney, the other being Davies. Gomes, Schneiderlin, Gana, and Sigurdssen have taken the piss out of this club. 

Similar situation with the defenders. The amount of times I've seen them pass the ball 10 yards forwards rather than carry it and allow the whole team to push up is infuriating. We've barely got a player that takes responsibility and drives the team forwards. Main two are probably Holgate and Davies which again must shows how much the seniors are taking the piss. I'll give a pass to Walcott, unlike his teammates do, as he's always making good runs but the shitbags in this team would rather give the ball sideways. 

I wouldn’t write off Gomes off just yet. I just think he and Davies are too similar hence why our midfield has struggled.

 

 

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9 hours ago, barryj said:

On the glimpse we get in that clip it looks clear that Siggy has the opportunity to get the ball slid into him and that he can then look or drive forward. Two issues, one he rarely ever dribbles or drives towards goal like that (never been in his game as infuriating as it is) and secondly like SteveO said we have no idea what was really happening at that point. Shape, space etc. Saying that we were 3-2 down and he could have got in between the lines. His delivery from set pieces and long range shooting is good but the finesse passing around the box and dribblin towards goal taking on the player isn’t in his locker. Calling him obscenities in my opinion isn’t right as I just don’t think he’s that type of player, never was or never will be. He does what he’s always done just he doesn’t fit with our team now or likely to in the future. 

The biggest problem with Gylfi is that he's never been what we needed or suited any way we've played since signing him. That's exacerbated how bad he's looked becuase he does have qualities, it's just that those qualities have never been something that would be worth £45m to us or be things we could take advantage of.

A disaster of a signing and one I have never been able to get my head around.

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11 hours ago, StevO said:

I’m no big fan of Gylfi, but that looks to me like his not asking for the ball but he is also dictating where the play should go. To team mates in space and keeping possession. 
The pattern of play could have been to draw the opposition out, looks like they have a lot of men back there. It could also be a recovery phase of play (which always got the crowd on Schneiderlin’s back for doing that, though I’m sure his teammates appreciated it).

You can’t judge a passage of play on a seven second clip. You’d need to see at least 30 seconds and ideally the whole pitch to know exactly what’s going on. 
 

We have to always be at extremes with our players don’t we?! They have to be great or shit. They can’t just be out of form, they have to be shit houses or spineless. Looking forward to the next few weeks to not see so much negativity. It’s exhausting. 

I specifically recalled that passage of play ... you would have been forgiven for believing we were playing right to left ..... we were chasing the gane and playing left to right.  It was an absolute disgrace.

I wouldn't expect an 18 year old kid to show such lack of bottle and ownership.  He's a supposed playmaker who makes things happen.

This type of thing happens all the time with him.  It's the type of shit that gets players sold from Man United with the tag that they can't play for a big club. 

This is Everton where we just want players to show desire and will forgive the odd stray pass.

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18 hours ago, Hafnia said:

What do you make of this one?  I read this one in particular.... less than 10 minutes left.

 

 

there's a load btw

 

 

 

I agree, I dont particularly like what he does there. There is no reason why he couldn't step into the space. Id also say there is no reason why the player just couldn't play the ball to him anyway. Poor from both of them IMO.

You do realise that I agree that he should do more, don't you? You seem to continually suggest I am happy with his performance.

I like how you ignored my points BTW.

18 hours ago, StevO said:

I’m no big fan of Gylfi, but that looks to me like his not asking for the ball but he is also dictating where the play should go. To team mates in space and keeping possession. 
The pattern of play could have been to draw the opposition out, looks like they have a lot of men back there. It could also be a recovery phase of play (which always got the crowd on Schneiderlin’s back for doing that, though I’m sure his teammates appreciated it).

You can’t judge a passage of play on a seven second clip. You’d need to see at least 30 seconds and ideally the whole pitch to know exactly what’s going on. 
 

We have to always be at extremes with our players don’t we?! They have to be great or shit. They can’t just be out of form, they have to be shit houses or spineless. Looking forward to the next few weeks to not see so much negativity. It’s exhausting. 

I agree about some of these points. The previous attack had clearly broken down and the ball was being recycled. You can see that people had made the runs forward, and were now turning to run back towards the goal and the Arsenal back line were pushing up the pitch. The question in this clip is whether playing the ball to Siggurdson would have done any more than playing it between Holgate and Mina (?) Who is then driving into space in the middle of the pitch with everyone back onside and making a new run. 

Its a bit like Question of Sport this, would love to know what happens next.

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10 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I think this is definitely a market we should be trying to cherry pick two or three signings from most seasons. Always some decent players who shine in poor teams. So good chance they will will play equally as well in better teams and they are premier league proven.  

If we bought two players from this year relegated teams what would your picks be and how much do you think we should pay? 

I think we would definitely benefit from somebody like Buendia , creative player, but still puts in a good shift off the ball - and how we need players who will put a foot in!! - should walk in to our team. (£25M-£30 has to be going rate for a 23yr old first team player). potentially has a good sell on value, so a pretty low risk signing.

https://footballwhispers.com/blog/emi-buendia-premier-league-scout-report/

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Buendia would be a good pick up. Looked to play central though by memory when I watched Norwich. Seems like a player that actually threads a pass as well. Right age and showed decent ability in a struggling team.

Double deal, him and Aarons.

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2 hours ago, Makis said:

Rather Sarr than Buendia because we need a winger who can score. 

Not as much as we need some midfielders who can create chances and tackle - 😂. Joking to one side - we definitely need some more players who are willing to roll up there sleeves and put a tackle in when its needed. Massive bonus if same player they can also create chances - Buendia sounds just what we need to get more out of the wingers we have already paid decent money for.  

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1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

Not as much as we need some midfielders who can create chances and tackle - 😂. Joking to one side - we definitely need some more players who are willing to roll up there sleeves and put a tackle in when its needed. Massive bonus if same player they can also create chances - Buendia sounds just what we need to get more out of the wingers we have already paid decent money for.  

So would you play him alongside Gomes or Davies?

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13 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I think this is definitely a market we should be trying to cherry pick two or three signings from most seasons. Always some decent players who shine in poor teams. So good chance they will will play equally as well in better teams and they are premier league proven.  

If we bought two players from this year relegated teams what would your picks be and how much do you think we should pay? 

I think we would definitely benefit from somebody like Buendia , creative player, but still puts in a good shift off the ball - and how we need players who will put a foot in!! - should walk in to our team. (£25M-£30 has to be going rate for a 23yr old first team player). potentially has a good sell on value, so a pretty low risk signing.

https://footballwhispers.com/blog/emi-buendia-premier-league-scout-report/

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If I was looking at each team the players I would be interested in are as follows:

Bournemouth - Josh King

I've banged on about him for a while and he showed why against us, albeit I am not sure he has been at that level for the whole season (injuries aside). Big, strong and quick, good technique and a decent enough finisher. Not really a position we need any longer and I don't see where he would fit in with the current set up. 

Ake would be another but he is off to City. I'm not sure there is anyone else there. Maybe Fraser but who knows what form he is in and where his mind is at.

Watford - Doucoure / Sarr / Geri 

Doucoure is the obvious one. I'm not entirely sure what type of midfielder he is but he seems to do a bit of everything. He is athletic and can get up and down the pitch a damn site more than anyone else we have at the club. Sarr and Geri fall into the category of yes they would be players that you would be interested in at the price but at the same time, they aren’t players that fit into what we need and what we are trying to do. 

Norwich - Aarons / Buendia / Cantwell / Hernandez 

You have covered Buendia so I won't say any more on him. I have talked about Aarons before and whilst I haven't seen enough to be certain he looks to be a pretty solid right back option for years to come. I'm not sure about Kenny so if he isn't good enough to replace Coleman then right back is a position we need to fill ASAP. 

Cantwell is a player that you could see fitting into the wide positions, playing between the lines and creating chances. He is a skinny, weak poor man's Grealish in many ways but I presume he is younger and has more to come. At the right price he would be worth a go. Maybe around £15mil?

Hernandez is the type of player that doesn’t let you down and he causes plenty of problems for defenders. Quick, strong, tricky and he works hard. I wouldnt be sure that he scores enough from what I have seen but if I was a manager and I needed someone to come in for a run of games following an injury to the starter or to finish off the job in the last 20 minutes, I would love to have him in the squad. Id absolutely pick him ahead of Walcott, Iwobi and Bernard on the basis that they like doing the pretty things rather than the graft. He would be pretty cheap too I expect.

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6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Some on here were really big on Buendia earlier in the year but it seems to have gone away.  Did he have a bad last part of the season?

Would love him here would suit the 442 and has real quality. 

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14 hours ago, Makis said:

So would you play him alongside Gomes or Davies?

Would rather Gomes and Davies on the bench to be honest, don't think either of them really cutting the mustard as top Premiership midfeilder. Think we look at Gomes through rose tinted glasses a little bit, he has been part of the problem of us being 'weak' in the middle. He doesn't weight in with goals, he doesn't regularly rip defences apart with slide rule passes, he doesn't bully the opposition when they are in possession. I know we had the new manager affect in Dec, Jan and Feb, but that was our best period this year, we where shocking before and shocking afterward - so played our best football during the period he was out injured, and played poorly when he has played. Are we a much better of a team when he plays? 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

I'm nervous and excited waiting for us to make our first signing of this window (not counting that young LB, who is now in Liverpool by the way). I think it's going to say a lot about where we're heading next season.

Same, hoping the wise shoulders of Ancelloti will start by buying to build the solid foundation blocks of a good team rather than an over excited koeman and silva (and Martinez to an extent) been given the keys to a sweetshop. None of these three had experience of big transfer budgets - yet the first time we seem to have any decent money to play with put it in the hands of relatively inexperienced spenders in the hope they become the next big thing in management. A lot of money has been wasted. Really not sure what was going through the boards mind when they appointed Silva after the failure of Keoman to be honest.- his cv coming didn't fill me with confidence. Are we really suprised how it all turned out. After the last too managerial spending fuck ups, I am also nervous, as there can't be much more wiggle room left for dud transfers. No pressure then Mr Ancelloti. 

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5 hours ago, RuffRob said:

Would rather Gomes and Davies on the bench to be honest, don't think either of them really cutting the mustard as top Premiership midfeilder. Think we look at Gomes through rose tinted glasses a little bit, he has been part of the problem of us being 'weak' in the middle. He doesn't weight in with goals, he doesn't regularly rip defences apart with slide rule passes, he doesn't bully the opposition when they are in possession. I know we had the new manager affect in Dec, Jan and Feb, but that was our best period this year, we where shocking before and shocking afterward - so played our best football during the period he was out injured, and played poorly when he has played. Are we a much better of a team when he plays? 

Gomes is a tough one because at times he purrs and glides around the pitch looking a class above like he did against Sheffield Utd and then other times I wonder if he is colour blind because he doesn't seem to pick out a teammate. That is pre and post injury as well.

My biggest problem with him in central midfield is that he is so easy to get past. I imagine he would never get out of a single man rondo. Its incredible to think one of our most common midfield set ups has had the combination of him, Davies and Siggurdson who are all very similar in that respect.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Gomes is a tough one because at times he purrs and glides around the pitch looking a class above like he did against Sheffield Utd and then other times I wonder if he is colour blind because he doesn't seem to pick out a teammate. That is pre and post injury as well.

My biggest problem with him in central midfield is that he is so easy to get past. I imagine he would never get out of a single man rondo. Its incredible to think one of our most common midfield set ups has had the combination of him, Davies and Siggurdson who are all very similar in that respect.

And here lies the problem 'at times he purrs'. 'At times' just isn't good enough for a key player in the middle of the park who surposedly dictates play. Managers want consistency of performance out of a player more than anything, this is even more important in the backbone of the team. Gomes thus become one of the players that makes us an average team, some days we are good, some days we suck!  Trouble is, this gets masked by the occasional standout performance. 

As you say he is easy for the opposition to get past,  the rest of the midfield then have to carry him defensively. To be carried, for me he needs to be doing something really special going forward and doing it week in week out. Gomes doesn't bring anywhere near enough to be afforded special treatment. 

 

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1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

And here lies the problem 'at times he purrs'. 'At times' just isn't good enough for a key player in the middle of the park who surposedly dictates play. Managers want consistency of performance out of a player more than anything, this is even more important in the backbone of the team. Gomes thus become one of the players that makes us an average team, some days we are good, some days we suck!  Trouble is, this gets masked by the occasional standout performance. 

As you say he is easy for the opposition to get past,  the rest of the midfield then have to carry him defensively. To be carried, for me he needs to be doing something really special going forward and doing it week in week out. Gomes doesn't bring anywhere near enough to be afforded special treatment. 

 

I agree and if I am honest I'm not sure having better players around him will make him a better player either, more so just mask how badly he has played. 

Its a shame because he is a talented player when he puts it all together.

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5 hours ago, Bailey said:

Its incredible to think one of our most common midfield set ups has had the combination of him, Davies and Siggurdson who are all very similar in that respect.

That’s not been out of choice though. With Gbamin, Schneiderlin and Delph (and Gomes) missing most of the season, we’ve had very few options beyond those 3. It’s obviously been our achilles heel as we’ve not been able to control many games due to being out played in midfield.

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