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wow you can't advertise alcohol on tv in england?  totally legal here they spend the most i'd wager.  Bud Light and Miller Light and Coors Light and all the other shitty beers have massive ad campaigns and marketing divisions.  i wish they would save the money and use it to make better beer!

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

wow you can't advertise alcohol on tv in england?

Actually I got that wrong (don't watch much TV), companies can advertise alcoholic stuff but are governed by strict rules.

https://www.asa.org.uk/asset/A16332A3-5F4F-44F3-999DFD2BD7159F8F/

Tobacco ads long since banned though, where do you draw the line and make a product/service that can cause addiction bad for the populace? Nanny state some would argue, it's difficult. Many moons ago I worked for an addiction charity and we had one client whose problem was caffeine, they were on about seventy spoonfulls of instant coffee a day (dry, not made into a drink). Also a lady who was an alcoholic but drank ethanol based mouthwash because it wasn't vodka or whatever so she could justify it.

You can't ban coffee or mouthwash ads obviously. It's a minefield.

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3 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Actually I got that wrong (don't watch much TV), companies can advertise alcoholic stuff but are governed by strict rules.

https://www.asa.org.uk/asset/A16332A3-5F4F-44F3-999DFD2BD7159F8F/

Tobacco ads long since banned though, where do you draw the line and make a product/service that can cause addiction bad for the populace? Nanny state some would argue, it's difficult. Many moons ago I worked for an addiction charity and we had one client whose problem was caffeine, they were on about seventy spoonfulls of instant coffee a day (dry, not made into a drink). Also a lady who was an alcoholic but drank ethanol based mouthwash because it wasn't vodka or whatever so she could justify it.

You can't ban coffee or mouthwash ads obviously. It's a minefield.

Same in the USA regarding Tobacco. I can't remember the last time I saw an ad for cigarettes on TV.

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http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2019/05/14/mina

 

Everton star Yerry Mina says he feels "honoured" after being recognised for his charitable and community efforts off the pitch by being named the Club’s PFA Community Champion for 2018-19.

 

gonna be honest i did not expect that from Mina, very pleased.  I"m still backing him and think he will be great next year.

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6 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2019/05/14/mina

 

Everton star Yerry Mina says he feels "honoured" after being recognised for his charitable and community efforts off the pitch by being named the Club’s PFA Community Champion for 2018-19.

 

gonna be honest i did not expect that from Mina, very pleased.  I"m still backing him and think he will be great next year.

I’m not that surprised, he seems very charismatic and a great lad. Hope you’re right and his playing match’s his off field success 

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On 14/05/2019 at 14:25, markjazzbassist said:

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2019/05/14/mina

 

Everton star Yerry Mina says he feels "honoured" after being recognised for his charitable and community efforts off the pitch by being named the Club’s PFA Community Champion for 2018-19.

 

gonna be honest i did not expect that from Mina, very pleased.  I"m still backing him and think he will be great next year.

Nice to see, but we shouldn't be choosing players for this reason. Naismith comes to mind.

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3 hours ago, London Blue said:

I think there is a very good player in there, he just needs a good, full, pre-season and a run of games in the side to prove himself.

Barca and Brands rate him.

Not convinced Barca rate him to be honest. 

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5 hours ago, London Blue said:

I think there is a very good player in there, he just needs a good, full, pre-season and a run of games in the side to prove himself.

Barca and Brands rate him.

He was excellent at the world cup too. 

His performances for us haven't been that bad either. Think he might be a Fellaini/Ivanovic, just looks awkward because of his size/body type. 

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18 minutes ago, pete0 said:

He was excellent at the world cup too. 

His performances for us haven't been that bad either. Think he might be a Fellaini/Ivanovic, just looks awkward because of his size/body type. 

Yeah this for me too.  He’s a big dude and there’s nothing graceful about that.

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16 hours ago, London Blue said:

They did buy him.

I know they sold him to us but its not like he was transfer listed or they were pushing him out the door.

I think they were pretty happy to move him on. 

Does the transfer list thing still exist? 

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

I think they were pretty happy to move him on. 

Does the transfer list thing still exist? 

I assume so but that it’s more managed by agents than clubs. 

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21 minutes ago, Matt said:

I assume so but that it’s more managed by agents than clubs. 

That’s what I was thinking. You never hear of a player being listed anymore, but you hear that they have been told to find another club. 

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On 02/11/2018 at 22:42, Zoo 2.0 said:

South Americans especially have a hard time getting into Barcelona and Real Madrid as they are mostly bought for marketing purposes. There is a power struggle between the two to be the most marketable which is why so many flavour of the month players from that continent make the switch and then get thrown onto the rubbish heap when they next one comes along. James Rodriguez was signed by Madrid after a solid World Cup although they already had Isco and Modric. Yerry Mina was signed for Barcelona despite Pique and Umtiti being one of the best centre-back pairings in Europe and they signed Malcom as he's an up and coming Brazilian that's popular at the moment. There was also an insane power struggle between Madrid and Barcelona for the signature of Neymar (so much so that he's still on Florentino Perez's radar) and to a latter extent Vincius Junior who's signed for Real Madrid for £40,000,000 despite being just 17.

It will continue to go on and on. South Americans will sign for Madrid and Barcelona as a marketing PR stunt before being tossed aside when the next one comes along. I disagree that Barcelona are terrible at integrating new ''players'' into their team (Lenglet, Arthur, Coutinho and Semedo for example are doing well) but without a doubt they sign players that they have no intentions of using just to expand the brand. 

I don't think he will leave either for what it's worth. Ousmane Dembele has a terrible attitude, most famously smashing up Jurgen Klopp's flat when he was denied a transfer out of Dortmund so is expected to leave Spain as the management there have had enough of him. I expect him to depart for Arsenal as early as this January leaving Malcom free to be the ''bit-part'' player of the front three. 

 

On 25/05/2019 at 00:54, StevO said:

Not convinced Barca rate him to be honest. 

See the top quote for an insight into how Barcelona and Real Madrid operate when it comes to South American talent. Most of them are bought for commercial reasons and it was no different with Yerry Mina. He was never going to get ahead of Gerard Pique, nor Clement Lenglet that had just been signed from Sevilla. 

As for my personal opinion I really like Mina. An absolute unit that could do a really good job alongside another centre half, he's been dogged with injuries this season which has held him back but he's got plenty in the tank to do a job for us.

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6 hours ago, StevO said:

I’m sure he’s a very good player, but I’d pick Zouma over him every day of the week. 

Agreed but would you pick Mina ahead of Keane?

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Fair play. So ideally we sign Zouma, he and Keane continue where they left off at the end of the season. Mina hopefully stays fit and pushes them both on next season. Competition for a place in the side has to be a good thing.

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4 hours ago, Deacs said:

Fair play. So ideally we sign Zouma, he and Keane continue where they left off at the end of the season. Mina hopefully stays fit and pushes them both on next season. Competition for a place in the side has to be a good thing.

Too right, perfect scenario mate. 

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Can’t see the point of a loan. I’m hearing he has problems with the language and isn’t that happy in England. Could be bollocks like. If Zouma doesn’t come back we need two centre backs if Mina goes we need three unless Marco is confident one of the under 23s can make the step up 

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25 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Don’t think you can class Holgate as a senior CB just yet having only played about 5 games in that position

he did well under koeman there, he's only gotten better and had better experiences in the championship.  i think he could be an above average CB.  

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

he did well under koeman there, he's only gotten better and had better experiences in the championship.  i think he could be an above average CB.  

I agree he has the potential to be a decent CB however that’s all it is at the moment, he has only played a handful of games in that position at senior level so still got a lot of developing to do 

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8 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

he did well under koeman there, he's only gotten better and had better experiences in the championship.  i think he could be an above average CB.  

I think if he was that good at centre back he might have played there for WBA, maybe the lad will continue to be a right back. 

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4 hours ago, StevO said:

I think if he was that good at centre back he might have played there for WBA, maybe the lad will continue to be a right back. 

it is a wierd situation.  if he is seen as a RB that could be why the rumor to loan to sell kenny to schalke is so strong.  or maybe they see him being cover at both positions.

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5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

it is a wierd situation.  if he is seen as a RB that could be why the rumor to loan to sell kenny to schalke is so strong.  or maybe they see him being cover at both positions.

Or maybe he’s not as good we hope?

i don’t like to be negative, but usually less than 5% of young players make it at premiere league level. So I might be a bit negative, but in my life time I’ve seen so many players who are going to make it. In reality, there is pretty much Rooney and Barkley who have, no one else has met the standard. This standard is getting higher, and not as easy to reach. Just be careful where you place faith in young players, 95% wont be as good as you hope. 

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22 hours ago, StevO said:

Or maybe he’s not as good we hope?

i don’t like to be negative, but usually less than 5% of young players make it at premiere league level. So I might be a bit negative, but in my life time I’ve seen so many players who are going to make it. In reality, there is pretty much Rooney and Barkley who have, no one else has met the standard. This standard is getting higher, and not as easy to reach. Just be careful where you place faith in young players, 95% wont be as good as you hope. 

I get what you’re saying but I think you’re being harsh on a few others Osman and Hibbert are two that I can think of.

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54 minutes ago, Deacs said:

I get what you’re saying but I think you’re being harsh on a few others Osman and Hibbert are two that I can think of.

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Dier, Mustafi, Ruddy, Gosling, Lundstrum and Heneghan (next season for Sheffield). Plus of our current crop Holgate, Davies and DCL are all premiership level and potentially Lookman too. Rodwell was as well until injury. Championship is littered with former Everton youths. We do a good job finding them we just don't get them integrated into the first team. 

 

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22 hours ago, Deacs said:

I get what you’re saying but I think you’re being harsh on a few others Osman and Hibbert are two that I can think of.

They were both very good servants, no doubt about that, but they aren’t the level of player you need if you want to challenge at the top of the table. 

My comment on less than 5% isn’t harsh though, there will be more than 100 kids in the youth system and chances are only a few will make it to the first team. It’s not being harsh, it’s the reality. When you look at clubs at the top level how many are there?

City have Foden coming through, no one else has got close really. 

Liverpool have Alexander Arnold. 

Chelsea hardly even care about bring them through. 

Spurs have Kane and Winks at the moment. 

Arsenal, I can think of Iwobi but I’m sure there are others. 

United, not sure they have been bothered for a while. 

There are only a few. The fact we have Davies and Kenny even in the squad is a good thing, it really is, but don’t expect to see too many in the near future. Even with us having such a successful U23 team, the standard it takes to get into our first team is exceptionally high. 

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21 hours ago, pete0 said:

Jagielka, Baines, Coleman, Dier, Mustafi, Ruddy, Gosling, Lundstrum and Heneghan (next season for Sheffield). Plus of our current crop Holgate, Davies and DCL are all premiership level and potentially Lookman too. Rodwell was as well until injury. Championship is littered with former Everton youths. We do a good job finding them we just don't get them integrated into the first team. 

 

A lot of these lads have had to drop a level to prove themselves and come back up. It’s so tough to break into a top level premier league team straight from the kids teams. 

Coleman, Dier, Mustafi, Ruddy, Gosling, Holgate, DCL and Lookman weren’t from the Everton youth set up, though I get your point. 

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44 minutes ago, StevO said:

A lot of these lads have had to drop a level to prove themselves and come back up. It’s so tough to break into a top level premier league team straight from the kids teams. 

Coleman, Dier, Mustafi, Ruddy, Gosling, Holgate, DCL and Lookman weren’t from the Everton youth set up, though I get your point. 

I included them as they were brought in by the youth set up rather than the first team. Think a lot under Moyes could've kicked on with the right nurturing but Moyes stuck to his favourites. Martinez done well, and even Koeman had the bottle to acknowledge the lack of pace and put DCL in the mix. Alladyce should've shown more faith but did give Davies minutes, possibly was under pressure to play the senior players given his comments on putting Bolasie in. Silva has been very disheartening, but I'm hoping Brands will apply the pressure next year. 

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5 hours ago, Finn balor said:

He’s having a great tournament so far no goals conceded and playing chile in the quarters. He could be in peak fitness coming back to pre season 

I think we have been a bit spoiled by Digne. Coming to a new team, climate, culture and hitting the ground running like he did was remarkable...and unusual. I’ll give Mina a pass for last year. He also came late in the window if I recall. I would think that both he and Gomes should be markedly improved with a much more stable situation and an idea of what the premier league is about. 

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On 29/06/2019 at 20:48, markjazzbassist said:

I’ve backed him since day 1 and said he will come good.  I still don’t think we will get Zouma and Mina will be the starter.

I still think we need another CB or Holgate to really step up. I think playing Keane and Mina together would be asking for trouble against pacey strikers when they both turn like ships. 

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5 hours ago, Vranny said:

I still think we need another CB or Holgate to really step up. I think playing Keane and Mina together would be asking for trouble against pacey strikers when they both turn like ships. 

Definitely need another central defender. Someone who can step in and is going to give a solid performance when required.

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22 minutes ago, StevO said:

We just need Zouma. 

Agreed. Mina should be third choice without a doubt.

I want him to succeed here, he seems a good fella and I obviously want all Everton players to do well, but I'm just not convinced by him at all and haven't been since before he signed here.

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5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Agreed. Mina should be third choice without a doubt.

I want him to succeed here, he seems a good fella and I obviously want all Everton players to do well, but I'm just not convinced by him at all and haven't been since before he signed here.

He's looked pretty decent from the bit I have seen of him in Copa. I'm like you, I'd love to see him succeed here and give us a 6'5" beast in back. First and foremost, he has got to stay fit.

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7 hours ago, StevO said:

We just need Zouma. 

I think we all know that probably won’t happen this season with them unable to sign players and there injuries, I can’t see any manager going in there and sanctioning the sale of Zouma why would you take the chance if you didn’t need to. 

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Lampard might be different from the rest of their managers, but Azpilicueta, Luiz, Rudiger, Christianson and Cahill have all been viewed as better players than him. He might be sick if that himself by now. 

I don’t see them playing him, Rudiger plays if he’s fit and one other but I don’t think it’ll be Zouma. I think we’re 50/50. 

I also can’t spell any Chelsea players names. 

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2 hours ago, StevO said:

Lampard might be different from the rest of their managers, but Azpilicueta, Luiz, Rudiger, Christianson and Cahill have all been viewed as better players than him. He might be sick if that himself by now. 

I don’t see them playing him, Rudiger plays if he’s fit and one other but I don’t think it’ll be Zouma. I think we’re 50/50. 

I also can’t spell any Chelsea players names. 

I keep saying it over and over, Zouma is the best CB they have.  Rudiger next and then Luiz and christensen.  Cahill is gone.  Any decent manager would keep zouma.  No way he comes here

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4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

I keep saying it over and over, Zouma is the best CB they have.  Rudiger next and then Luiz and christensen.  Cahill is gone.  Any decent manager would keep zouma.  No way he comes here

I certainly wouldn’t rule out him coming here. Seems like he wants a transfer if he’s not seen as a starter at Chelsea and I don’t think there’s a whole heap separating him, Rudiger, Luiz and Christensen. 

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