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7 minutes ago, London Blue said:

I thought this might of calmed down a bit....

Look Haff, as I said in my post my throw away comment, and it was just that, a throw away comment and was not aimed at anyone in particular. If you look at some my other posts in the Pickford thread you will see I have commented on how long it is going to feel until the next match. That is because there is nothing to talk about, and people, again not just you petal, are posting some fanciful stuff, taking the piss, getting on each others nerves,  and in general chatting shit. Which is fine, its an internet forum its what people do, and will continue to do until the next match when we have something real to talk about.

I posted my comment in this thread as it was the last thread I read, if I had read the Pickford thread last I would have posted it there. It was not aimed at you, so please don't take it personally. I have far, far better things to do with my life than to look for ways to belittle you or anyone else for that matter, like playing with my 18 month old son or sleeping because my son does not!! 

As for your Kaka post I happen to think Gomes could be the most talented midfielder we have had here in my memory, I think he is an Evertonian by the way he has taken the club and its fans to his heart, I love him, not in the physical way some do on this site, but pretty close!  But even in my wildest dreams do I think he is as good as Kaka. If you do mate then that's your opinion, and your entitled to it, just as I am entitled to say its rubbish.

Please don't think everyone is having a go at you they are not. You, Pete0 and some of the others put some pretty strong opinions out there, so you have to expect some pretty strong responses. That is Newtonian Law for you, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction".

We are all Evertonians, we all love this club, and care about each other, even if it doesn't seem like it sometimes.

Go easy Haff.

Appreciate the post blue,  I've got young kids myself mate and yes  that's the most important playground to be involved in.

Cheers x

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21 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I didn't like the response and I called you out on it. 

 

14 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

with regards the pathetic on going pissing contest, only to be hit with 7th time, 8th time nonsense.  No intervention.

Essentially I called you out on picking on Pickford. No more. Why wouldn't you answer first time round? Wasn't a hard question. 

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33 minutes ago, London Blue said:

I thought this might of calmed down a bit....

Look Haff, as I said in my post, my throw away comment, and it was just that, a throw away comment and was not aimed at anyone in particular. If you look at some my other posts in the Pickford thread you will see I have commented on how long it is going to feel until the next match. That is because there is nothing to talk about, and people, again not just you petal, are posting some fanciful stuff, taking the piss, getting on each others nerves,  and in general chatting shit. Which is fine, its an internet forum its what people do, and will continue to do until the next match when we have something real to talk about.

I posted my comment in this thread as it was the last thread I read, if I had read the Pickford thread last I would have posted it there. It was not aimed at you, so please don't take it personally. I have far, far better things to do with my life than to look for ways to belittle you or anyone else for that matter, like playing with my 18 month old son or sleeping because my son does not!! 

As for your Kaka post I happen to think Gomes could be the most talented midfielder we have had here in my memory, I think he is an Evertonian by the way he has taken the club and its fans to his heart, I love him, not in the physical way some do on this site, but pretty close!  But not even in my wildest dreams do I think he is as good as Kaka. If you do mate then that's your opinion, and your entitled to it, just as I am entitled to say its rubbish.

Please don't think everyone is having a go at you they are not. You, Pete0 and some of the others put some pretty strong opinions out there, so you have to expect some pretty strong responses. That is Newtonian Law for you, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction".

We are all Evertonians, we all love this club, and care about each other, even if it doesn't seem like it sometimes.

Go easy Haff.

Great post mate👍

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17 minutes ago, Shukes said:

It does seem like Haf has done something in real life to a lot of people on here haha.

I've done lots of things in real life mate, made lots of mistakes and have lots of experiences.  

Probably why I come across as a prickish know it all! 

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1 minute ago, Hafnia said:

I've done lots of things in real life mate, made lots of mistakes and have lots of experiences.  

Probably why I come across as a prickish know it all! 

Wasn’t meant like that Haf. Just there seem to be quite a few on here  that, proving you wrong means a great deal to. 
Seems very personal.

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8 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Wasn’t meant like that Haf. Just there seem to be quite a few on here  that, proving you wrong means a great deal to. 
Seems very personal.

Ah yeah.... that one. 

Sadly my effort in trying to create an amnesty with one of them failed. 

It read something like:-  it's fine not to be right all the time, I'm often wrong just as you are....... let's not try and drag the forum down. So let's just ditch all that nonsense...

"Yeah but you are wrong and I'm right."

I think this suns up what I was trying to do....

Can't be everything to everyone eh.

 

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6 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

What game? What player? What you talking about.  Stop going off topic. 

Ah Kaka?

Gomes is a lot more handsome.

1 minute ago, Shukes said:

That the closed door match? Would be great to be able to read a report on that.

Don't care about the report, I just want to see pictures of him kicking balls! Wait, that could be taken very wrong :unsure: 

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10 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Gomes is a lot more handsome.

Don't care about the report, I just want to see pictures of him kicking balls! Wait, that could be taken very wrong :unsure: 

both players make me wonder why it's fair to be that good looking and that talented. 

It's seemingly possible for a man to be 100% heterosexual and look at Gomes in the way I looked at Cameron Diaz in The Mask as a teenage lad. 

Gomes is deffo the bloke who could wear Brut aftershave and make it sell well again. 

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11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I didn't like the response and I called you out on it.  That's exactly what I know I can do about it and I will voice my annoyances. 

 Any other suggestions as to what I can do? or is it only your position as a mod that gives you the entitlement to suggest anything else?   Being a mod doesn't make you right.... far from it.  I respect people irrespective of their status on here and more on their ability to show fairness. 

I've seen the forum for exactly what it is... more so the likes of yourself Steve. Disappointng and I'm glad I'm not the only one to see this.

 

Again, nothing to do with being a mod as there was nothing to moderate. not everything a mod or admin says on here is in that role, it’s very rare we have to do any of that. We come on here to talk about our opinions too. I’m pretty sure you have an issue with me being a mod because you keep bringing that up. 

the other suggestions would be in the form if the ignore button. 
 

I won’t be commenting on this any further. 

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Just now, Matt said:

Are the mods allowed to put people on ignore like the rest? I think we should all be given 3 personally and let the report system do it’s work

What happens if we all pick the same three? 😂

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Just now, StevO said:

What happens if we all pick the same three? 😂

Then the report system better be as good as we hope! Otherwise we’ll have to go on seniority and I’m not a fan of that option...

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22 minutes ago, Matt said:

Then the report system better be as good as we hope! Otherwise we’ll have to go on seniority and I’m not a fan of that option...

I wouldn’t want to put anyone on ignore really. Never have in the past so don’t want to now to be honest. 

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17 minutes ago, StevO said:

I wouldn’t want to put anyone on ignore really. Never have in the past so don’t want to now to be honest. 

I've just used it for the second time in 15 years.  I think it's perfect if you have someone who wants to target you and WUM, the best thing for the mods is that the members use the ignore function to prevent the bickering with people they forget on with/targetted by. 

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It will be interesting to see how he plays under Ancellotti, especially who he plays alongside. 

According to the reports it was alongside Siggy today, which is a bit of a strange one. I just can't picture him really working that well in a two man midfield with the other options we have. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

It will be interesting to see how he plays under Ancellotti, especially who he plays alongside. 

According to the reports it was alongside Siggy today, which is a bit of a strange one. I just can't picture him really working that well in a two man midfield with the other options we have. 

I'd say our best option to pair him with at the minute is Delph. Next is Davies. 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Schneiderlin for me, all day long. The other three should only come in for rotation, not as viable options there. But Delph would be the last one that should be playing.

Can't believe I'm agreeing that schneiderlein should be starting.......  but yeah, based on form he should. 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Schneiderlin for me, all day long. The other three should only come in for rotation, not as viable options there. But Delph would be the last one that should be playing.

Depends which Schneiderlin clone turns up. Based on current form he should start with Gomes. 

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57 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Depends which Schneiderlin clone turns up. Based on current form he should start with Gomes. 

Even on his worst day he’s a better option than the other three. That’s how bad they are.

Hopefully we’ll do some good business in that area in the summer. 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Even on his worst day he’s a better option than the other three. That’s how bad they are.

Hopefully we’ll do some good business in that area in the summer. 

Have to disagree, on his worst day he is a liability, goes missing, sulks etc. 

Would rather have Davies than bad clone Schneiderlin. 

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4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Schneiderlin for me, all day long. The other three should only come in for rotation, not as viable options there. But Delph would be the last one that should be playing.

I agree. I'm not sure it's a contest really but it will be interesting to see if Carlo goes that way.

I have no idea who I would have after that. They all scare the shit out of me in that pairing.

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Wouldn't mind if we used a 4141 with a midfield of 

Schneiderlin

Walcott Davies Gomes Richarlison 

 

I like it but DCL and Richarlison work best upfront as a pair.

I would like to see

Richarlison     Schneiderlin Gomes   Bernard

                 DCL         Kean

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10 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Schneiderlin for me, all day long. The other three should only come in for rotation, not as viable options there. But Delph would be the last one that should be playing.

He's had one good game. Id feel comfortable with someone with a bit of legs about them beside him in a pairing. But i do agree Morgan was decent last time out and I'd like to see more of it. 

Either way I suppose it makes little difference whose there. 

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1 hour ago, Aidan said:

He's had one good game. Id feel comfortable with someone with a bit of legs about them beside him in a pairing. But i do agree Morgan was decent last time out and I'd like to see more of it. 

Either way I suppose it makes little difference whose there. 

No he hasn’t, he’s had numerous good games. You want someone with legs but you said Delph should be Gomes’ partner, which goes against that. 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

No he hasn’t, he’s had numerous good games. You want someone with legs but you said Delph should be Gomes’ partner, which goes against that. 

I can't see past his last few years at the club and hope he will be the player we all wanted him to be. His attitude is exactly why we've seen numerous managers fail at the club and the sooner he is out of the club the better.

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19 hours ago, Aidan said:

I can't see past his last few years at the club and hope he will be the player we all wanted him to be. His attitude is exactly why we've seen numerous managers fail at the club and the sooner he is out of the club the better.

That’s very strong, but other than the Mirallas incident what do you really know about his attitude?

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On 18/02/2020 at 21:00, StevO said:

Based on what exactly?

Being a complete shit when Unsworth was caretaker for a start, and despite having all the skill to be one of the best midfielders we have had he has turned in some truly awful performances, which usually consisted allot of the following:

Jog around the pitch, receive the ball, stop, pirouette, look around, stop, pirouette again, pass the ball backwards, repeat.

Jog around the pitch, jog when the player he is marking is running past him, stop jogging and look disinterested. 

He should have been our rock in midfield, but he ended up being a millstone round our necks.

When he wants to be, which to be fair to him he has been under Carlo, he can be immense, but its when HE wants to be, which brings us back to his temperament, which is as I say, is questionable. 

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I thought this was the Andre Gomes thread????

Anyways, whilst we are on about Morgan. I just don't know what to make of him. How much is it him and how much of it was the manager?

Sometimes players are just doing exactly as the manager is instructing them. I get the impression we have had a run of managers who have been a bit "my way or the highway". If you don't play their way you're out. Has Morgan just been doing as he is told? Is the manager really to blame? Is Ancelotti assessingbwhat he is best at and having him play that way?

It certainly seems that since Silva has gone and especially the period under Ferguson that the reigns were let of certain players.

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On 18/02/2020 at 21:16, London Blue said:

Being a complete shit when Unsworth was caretaker for a start, and despite having all the skill to be one of the best midfielders we have had he has turned in some truly awful performances, which usually consisted allot of the following:

Jog around the pitch, receive the ball, stop, pirouette, look around, stop, pirouette again, pass the ball backwards, repeat.

Jog around the pitch, jog when the player he is marking is running past him, stop jogging and look disinterested. 

He should have been our rock in midfield, but he ended up being a millstone round our necks.

When he wants to be, which to be fair to him he has been under Carlo, he can be immense, but its when HE wants to be, which brings us back to his temperament, which is as I say, is questionable. 

He had a training ground bust up, happens all the time. 
He played football badly. 
 

this isn’t attitude. Not one of us has the slightest clue about his attitude, we just see his actions on the pitch. We may think those actions have shown a bad attitude, but it’s just an assumption. 
 

Ever since the training ground incident was leaked he’s been given nothing but grief. Half of his performances haven’t been as bad as made out, but they are from tainted views. 
 

If every training ground issue was leaked we’d hate the whole team. 

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15 minutes ago, StevO said:

He had a training ground bust up, happens all the time. 
He played football badly. 
 

this isn’t attitude. Not one of us has the slightest clue about his attitude, we just see his actions on the pitch. We may think those actions have shown a bad attitude, but it’s just an assumption. 
 

Ever since the training ground incident was leaked he’s been given nothing but grief. Half of his performances haven’t been as bad as made out, but they are from tainted views. 
 

If every training ground issue was leaked we’d hate the whole team. 

Atalanta.... laughing when we were getting snotted.  Confronted by fans "we got battered don't you care?" ... smirked and shrugged his shoulders.

His attitude has been piss poor because his ability is far greater than the output he offered.  

But.... if he carries on as he has then keep him in. But I don't trust him. 

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15 minutes ago, StevO said:

He had a training ground bust up, happens all the time. 
He played football badly. 
 

this isn’t attitude. Not one of us has the slightest clue about his attitude, we just see his actions on the pitch. We may think those actions have shown a bad attitude, but it’s just an assumption. 
 

Ever since the training ground incident was leaked he’s been given nothing but grief. Half of his performances haven’t been as bad as made out, but they are from tainted views. 
 

If every training ground issue was leaked we’d hate the whole team. 

The last thing I will say on this (in this thread as it is Gomes's thread after all lol) is if we all agree he is very talented, yet his performances for 18 months to 2 years are so inconsistent and poor that he looses his place in the team, and never really regains it until now, then that's not down to his lack of talent, its down to his attitude. 

I have no problem with him being in the side when he plays like he did against Crystal Palace, I do have a problem with him being in the side when bad clone Schniederlin turns up.

But have to agree to disagree.  

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3 minutes ago, StevO said:

I can’t doubt his ability mate, and the disappointing performances we have had from him. 
People have felt let down by his actions, but that’s what they are, actions. Not attitude. 

That's the annoying thing he is so damn talented!!

Actions and attitude are linked, though to what degree is a discussion for down the pub and a few beers as its very philosophical!!

I guess your right, we will never know to what degree his attitude is to blame for his actions, or vice versa, left to personal interpretation I guess.

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

That's the annoying thing he is so damn talented!!

Actions and attitude are linked, though to what degree is a discussion for down the pub and a few beers as its very philosophical!!

I guess your right, we will never know to what degree his attitude is to blame for his actions, or vice versa, left to personal interpretation I guess.

Having seen Mrs Schneiderlin I can only assume he’s a cracking bloke 😂

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2 hours ago, StevO said:

I can’t doubt his ability mate, and the disappointing performances we have had from him. 
People have felt let down by his actions, but that’s what they are, actions. Not attitude. 

Note really sure how you're drawing this hard line distinction.  We're not in philosophy class, it's a discussion on the performance and value to the team of a football player.  If you don't think you can determine someone's attitude by examining their actions then I'd invite you to spend an afternoon watching a group of high school kids.  Attitude is written in actions, disposition etc.  Drawing a definitive conclusion on someone's attitude from one or a few isolated incidents might be unwise, but we've all been watching Morgan for a fair few years now.  Think most fans are well within their rights to say that, largely, his attitude has stunk the place out.

 

 

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7 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Note really sure how you're drawing this hard line distinction.  We're not in philosophy class, it's a discussion on the performance and value to the team of a football player.  If you don't think you can determine someone's attitude by examining their actions then I'd invite you to spend an afternoon watching a group of high school kids.  Attitude is written in actions, disposition etc.  Drawing a definitive conclusion on someone's attitude from one or a few isolated incidents might be unwise, but we've all been watching Morgan for a fair few years now.  Think most fans are well within their rights to say that, largely, his attitude has stunk the place out.

 

 

If you’re in a classroom with a bunch of kids you can add the things they say to your conclusions and you can get to see them on a personal level. You don’t have that with a footballer. You have 90 minute segments either on the pitch in front of you or on tv, once every couple of weeks. 
 

You can say his performance stunk the place out, but none of us have the right to to say it’s his attitude as we don’t have enough exposure to him to know his personality. We only know his actions. 

The only conclusive information we have is that managers keep picking him, they do know his attitude, they see him for hours every day. If you saw someone for such prolonged periods of time and knew them personally, and saw a bad attitude, would you keep them in the team? 
 

There is a massive difference between somones actions and their attitude, we shouldn’t confuse what we are judging them on. 

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11 hours ago, StevO said:

I can’t doubt his ability mate, and the disappointing performances we have had from him. 
People have felt let down by his actions, but that’s what they are, actions. Not attitude. 

Surely actions are determined by attitude?

The player with a professional attitude who turns up earlier and is the last to leave the training pitch. The player who has an attitude to focussed on being a professional who switches his mobile off, listens to his manager and executes instructions.

A footballer with a professional attitude understands he is a cog in the wheel.  That type of footballer doesn't lie on the floor taking injury while an oppononent picks out top bin unmarked.  The same attitude leads to the player not picking up runners etc.  

We have seen this from Morgan and it's shit. But we have seen the player he can be when he puts his mind to it. 

 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

What a fucking player this man is. I’m actually blown away by his performance today, you would never know he’d been out with a serious injury. He was strong on the ball and shielded it, always wanted it, and then used it intelligently - pinging balls all over the pitch and actually finding a team mate.

The difference he made when we've been subjected to Delph overhitting balls by about 15 yards and Sigurdsson playing hide and hide, is unquantifiable.

I actually think there is something quite impressive about how inaccurate Delph is with his passing. It's like he only has one partially sighted eye and his depth perception is fucked. 

I agree about Gomes though, was great to see! 

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20 minutes ago, badaids said:

Every time I see Gomes my heterosexuality erodes a little further.

So good to see him back today. 

I was gonna see if you fancied a pint, I think I’ll give it a miss for now 😉

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