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The man looks so tired still! 

He needs to be miles away from the squad for the Lincoln game, maybe a few days off and he’ll have had about ten days recovery to be fresh for the Bournmouth game. 

Not even a debate about his quality. If anyone needed an insight into his mentality, if that’s what we are going to call it, read or watch his interviews where he talks about how he was in Barcelona. He’s a player who needs an arm round his shoulder and encouragement. 

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I raised some doubts about his mentality early on when he was clearly building himself back up to match fitness but I certainly don't have those doubts about him now.

You can see from the way he is playing that it is fatigue and maybe even a knock. He chopped a Leicester player down at the weekend and you could see from his body language that it was a "I am going to kick you because I don't want to chase after you" type tackle.

Like StevO says, stay away, get your slippers out and dressing gown on and have a glass of your finest whiskey.

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30 minutes ago, hafnia said:

£22m? No brainer Based on how good he can be.

Just concerned by his recent games. 

I'm putting it down to a new league new pace and not having played much football prior to coming here, maybe overtraining to get as fit as possible  

The whole side has looked lethargic lately hopefully it's just a minor slump for the lot of them

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We have already seen what he is capable of, he's had a relapse in form lately but on top form he is a £50m midfielder.  I think that asking price might just be paper talk but we should definitely table an offer in that region and see how its received.

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2 hours ago, EFC-Paul said:

£22.4m apparently to make it a permanent deal according to Mundo Deportivo

Absolute bargain in today's world 

If that was the case it’d be done already. 

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Just now, EFC-Paul said:

Barca have apparently only just given us a figure so hopefully it's in the works 

Didn’t he have an £80m release clause though? Why take 25% of that? 

I really hope it’s true but that figure is too good to be true 

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40 minutes ago, Matt said:

Didn’t he have an £80m release clause though? Why take 25% of that? 

I really hope it’s true but that figure is too good to be true 

The Spanish sides always have ridiculous buy out clauses they'll know nobody in their right mind would value him at that price even as good as he can be 

On form without being an outcast at Barca he's a £50m player all day though so fingers crossed we nab a bargain

 

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58 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

The Spanish sides always have ridiculous buy out clauses they'll know nobody in their right mind would value him at that price even as good as he can be 

On form without being an outcast at Barca he's a £50m player all day though so fingers crossed we nab a bargain

 

Yeah, but taking 25% of the clause? Seems nuts. Hopefully he’s said he doesn’t want to go back so they’re just taking what they can get for him

12 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

For that much it makes sense.  I wouldn’t go above 30m at this point.

You can be terribly fickle sometimes :lol:

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11 minutes ago, Matt said:

Yeah, but taking 25% of the clause? Seems nuts. Hopefully he’s said he doesn’t want to go back so they’re just taking what they can get for him

Digne's was 60 million. Rarely do players go for the release clause, it's just there as a safeguard. 

Release clauses in Spain stem from Royal Decree 1006, which was passed in 1985 and gives footballers in Spain the same rights as all other employees.

They allow players to buy out their contracts and leave their club for an agreed fee, which should be proportionate to their wages.

Release clauses are not compulsory but are almost universally applied because players without one would be able to go to court to buy themselves out of their contract.

That would create uncertainty for all parties and therefore, both players and clubs are keen to agree release clauses in advance.

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1 minute ago, pete0 said:

Digne's was 60 million. Rarely do players go for the release clause, it's just there as a safeguard. 

Release clauses in Spain stem from Royal Decree 1006, which was passed in 1985 and gives footballers in Spain the same rights as all other employees.

They allow players to buy out their contracts and leave their club for an agreed fee, which should be proportionate to their wages.

Release clauses are not compulsory but are almost universally applied because players without one would be able to go to court to buy themselves out of their contract.

That would create uncertainty for all parties and therefore, both players and clubs are keen to agree release clauses in advance.

Was it?! I always knew they were rarely met but didn’t realise they’d be cut that much. 

Im not complaining by the way, I’m just not getting my hopes up

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

According to some on here spurs don’t need him, they have a worldie in Harry winks 😂

It seems many on here including myself have been quick to get excited over gomes

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10 minutes ago, hafnia said:

It seems many on here including myself have been quick to get excited over gomes

yeah i'm not his biggest fan but for 20m it's a no brainer.  like i said even 30m is fine, anything over that and he would need to show his early season form a lot more often for me.  

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Watching him today his class there for all to see.  So calm and composed on the ball.  Rarely does his pass not find its target and he's always available for the ball.  He's also pushed forward with the ball a few times beating (all be it league 2) players with ease. He's exactly what we need to control the middleof the park while Bernard, Lookman and Richarlison are putting in the running up top.

Sure there's a limit to what he's worth but definitely worth more than 20 million 

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1 hour ago, hafnia said:

What's your thoughts? 

That he’s a quality, quality player who’s having a rough patch along with the rest of the team in a crowded schedule.

He’s a step above any player we’ve had in decades. 

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21 minutes ago, Matt said:

That he’s a quality, quality player who’s having a rough patch along with the rest of the team in a crowded schedule.

He’s a step above any player we’ve had in decades. 

I thought the same and still think ability wise he's another level..  I'm concerned the drop is not tiredness though. 

Been bitten before like this with schneiderlein and Barkley. 

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40 minutes ago, hafnia said:

I thought the same and still think ability wise he's another level..  I'm concerned the drop is not tiredness though. 

Been bitten before like this with schneiderlein and Barkley. 

He reminds me of top form Schneiderlin to be honest, so I understand the concern. But it’s hard to judge anyone individually over the last couple of months 

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In the last few games I have noticed how often he has been picking the ball up deep of the CBs and then controlling the game. In the first halves of games he has been always moving, always demanding the ball. 

When he has stopped doing that, mainly in the 2nd half, we have lost that hold on the match, we lose possession too readily and the game becomes scrappy. He is also getting more passes under pressure, not being as accurate and his own game nosedives. 

When he first came on today he was again very static, but once he warmed up properly he was demanding the ball all the time and he dominated the game the way Gana, Davies and Siggy should all have done before him.

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Starting to think we’ve seen him at his very best, and hay his average game.... just isn’t very good. Is this why he isn’t getting a chance at Barca? 

His passing is atrocious. It’s not the hard balls either, it’s the simple ten yard passes that he can’t seem to hit a player with. 

Mots easy to play a 40 yard ball into a player with space, they have a few seconds to get into position to receive a ball, but to play a short ball you have to be an accurate passer, and he just isn’t. 

Im afraid he just isn’t the answer to or dilemma. Dacoure, would be a much better option. Tough and dynamic.

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Think he needs time out of the squad, get his head together. Also don’t think he’s a DCM either and considering the attacking quartet aren’t holding the all up, he’s not able to play his natural game 

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5 hours ago, Finn balor said:

He’s come in for a bit of stick the last few games .i think mainly because of how well he started. The lad is a quality footballer, he’s had a dip that’s all. He will come good again lads 

We could say this about Barkley....  Sadly some players just don't have the strong mindset to allow their talent to prosper. 

He just doesnt look anything like the player he can be. 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

I watched Barkley for four years I’ve seen Gomes had 4 average games by his standard 

He wasn't average yesterday though I wish he had been, it would've been a huge step up from what I saw.

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16 hours ago, Finn balor said:

I watched Barkley for four years I’ve seen Gomes had 4 average games by his standard 

Average?   I think a few fans are trying to gloss over how bad he actually is when he isn'tt playing well.... he literally can't pass the ball.  It's like watching a golfer with the yips or a dart thrower struggling to release the dart.

I haven't seen one of his shots threaten the goal yet. 

Yes ive seen him have 3 or 4 games where he looks like a rolls Royce... class. Sadly I've seen him resemble a robin reliant too. 

He mentioned that he struggled mentally at Barca. I thought a new team would do him good.   Sadly I think it's more deep rooted. 

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2 hours ago, Vranny said:

The guy needs a bit of love atm 😊

He’s certainly got a lot to give out, so maybe he deserves some coming back to him.

Off form or not, he’s still a good looking lad and one I’ve told my missus she’s allowed a picture of in the bedroom!

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I am now beginning to wonder whether he made such an impression coming into the side because he was the most rounded midfielder we have had since Barry and McCarthy were at their best.

He does always look forward and he wants play the right way. He is very good on the half turn, which is an admirable trait in midfielders, but whilst he is technically good his passing decisions aren't great and his shooting is crap. He is a petulant and rash tackler, he doesn't really compete that much in the air and he is useless at tracking runners for set pieces.

I do think there is a very good player there, especially once he is fully settled but I think the price would definitely have to be right as I think our priority should be for a more dominant midfielder ahead of him.

 

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I’m at the point where it might be worth trying him with Schneiderlin in midfield, not because Gana is doing anything wrong just to try a player alongside who might bring something else out in his game. At this point anything is worth a try isn’t it?

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14 minutes ago, StevO said:

I’m at the point where it might be worth trying him with Schneiderlin in midfield, not because Gana is doing anything wrong just to try a player alongside who might bring something else out in his game. At this point anything is worth a try isn’t it?

Not Schniederlin though , I've seem enough of him jogging around aimlessly, we would have the most toothless midfield ever.

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