markjazzbassist Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 now if we get europa it will be difficult because we will need more players but do we keep the ones we know we don't want or bring in tons more? that's tough. more of a reason i don't want europa. i'd prefer burton just win the thing and qualify to take away 7th place europa. that would make it the easiest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: now if we get europa it will be difficult because we will need more players but do we keep the ones we know we don't want or bring in tons more? that's tough. more of a reason i don't want europa. i'd prefer burton just win the thing and qualify to take away 7th place europa. that would make it the easiest. I think we still get rid of the ones we don't want because being in the Europa league won't make them any better, and in the summer try and add 2 or 3 with real quality with what we've got we should be alright. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 EC is pointless anyway when knocked out CL teams get in it. Since 1999,18 teams have featured in the final from being knocked out of the CL, 8 of which have won it. Pointless tournament. Bailey and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Aidan said: EC is pointless anyway when knocked out CL teams get in it. Since 1999,18 teams have featured in the final from being knocked out of the CL, 8 of which have won it. Pointless tournament. interesting stats i'd never thought of it that way. that's essentially one CL team each year and just about half of them won it. Honestly if you look at it that way it's like CL part 2 or something. you want CL because of the money, but if you get 3rd in the group your consolation is to be farther ahead then the majority of the europa league teams and have a good shot to win that. very skewed to the CL teams. i wish no CL teams got in there. Like it was it's own tournament. you get 3rd in your CL group you're done, you already got big money from the group stage tv money. but alas.... Vranny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said: interesting stats i'd never thought of it that way. that's essentially one CL team each year and just about half of them won it. Honestly if you look at it that way it's like CL part 2 or something. you want CL because of the money, but if you get 3rd in the group your consolation is to be farther ahead then the majority of the europa league teams and have a good shot to win that. interesting. Yeah the way I see it is the EL is intended to be a 'baby' or second tier CL. It gives those lesser teams the chance to get into the CL - that's it. It offers very little money and often dampens the League positions of teams that enter it. Adding CL teams into the mix is insulting to the teams which have earned their place to compete in the tournament. Either take the CL teams out or bin the thing all together! Vranny and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 I think we have to aim to get in the EL however its the early qualifying rounds we need to avoid. I have no idea what I would do as a manager in that situation. It clearly has a history of impeding teams during the season and the chance of winning is tiny. On the flip side, players want to play in Europe and the fans like it too. Do you play kids and leave the senior playerd to do their normal preseason and risk going out early? Do you use fringe players and leave the big guns at home or do you go all out? In terms of squad size, I dont think it really changes. 2 first team players for every position and a combination of enough decent young players you can put in for a game or two/enough fringe players who can cover a position or two for the odd game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Bailey said: I think we have to aim to get in the EL however its the early qualifying rounds we need to avoid. I have no idea what I would do as a manager in that situation. It clearly has a history of impeding teams during the season and the chance of winning is tiny. On the flip side, players want to play in Europe and the fans like it too. Do you play kids and leave the senior playerd to do their normal preseason and risk going out early? Do you use fringe players and leave the big guns at home or do you go all out? In terms of squad size, I dont think it really changes. 2 first team players for every position and a combination of enough decent young players you can put in for a game or two/enough fringe players who can cover a position or two for the odd game. Yep play the fringe players mixed in with a few first teamers. If we was to go out at least then we could focus on the Premier League and pushing for a CL spot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted December 28, 2018 Report Share Posted December 28, 2018 29 minutes ago, Bailey said: I think we have to aim to get in the EL however its the early qualifying rounds we need to avoid. I have no idea what I would do as a manager in that situation. It clearly has a history of impeding teams during the season and the chance of winning is tiny. On the flip side, players want to play in Europe and the fans like it too. Do you play kids and leave the senior playerd to do their normal preseason and risk going out early? Do you use fringe players and leave the big guns at home or do you go all out? In terms of squad size, I dont think it really changes. 2 first team players for every position and a combination of enough decent young players you can put in for a game or two/enough fringe players who can cover a position or two for the odd game. I think players want to play in the CL on a massive stage. I’ve yet to believe a player who says they’re excited to play in the Europa League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 It wouldn't surprise me if we do very little, if any business, during the January window. Maybe loan one or two players out, but pretty much stick with what we have until the Summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 May not make purchases any this window, but I hope we're chatting away to any number of Monaco players. Sitting in relegation zone, no champ league next year...a number would be assessing options. Benjamin Henrichs or Djibril Sidibe could answer our RB problem. Youri Tielemans would be a great get. Plenty of young talent there, Willem Geubbels and Pietro Pellegri would have plenty of suitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 What are we going to do when EL2 gets launched? I’ve always enjoyed the EL, the problem with it derailing the season is not enough support from the Premier League. In other countries they actually help the teams in Europe, here they don’t give a shit. If you play Tuesday, play Saturday, if you play Wednesday play Sunday, if you play Thursday play Monday. Everyone gets enough rest then. Instead play Thursday and Sunday and probably have a bad game. Midfielder and a Striker would be nice, don’t see it though. MikeO, Romey 1878, Aidan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Mentioned it on the match thread but why for once don’t we be progressive and make a few big signings in January? Why wait till June? Let’s steal a march on the clubs that have their pick of the talent? The champions league is at the group stages and there is no euro or World Cup so why not get our targets in and give them six months to bed in? If this season is going to hinge on the FA cup why not? We can concentrate on selling in the summer instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Finn balor said: Mentioned it on the match thread but why for once don’t we be progressive and make a few big signings in January? Why wait till June? Let’s steal a march on the clubs that have their pick of the talent? The champions league is at the group stages and there is no euro or World Cup so why not get our targets in and give them six months to bed in? If this season is going to hinge on the FA cup why not? We can concentrate on selling in the summer instead. This, in spades and MUST include a striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Walcott and Tosun cost £60m last year in this window - add another £24m that Schneiderlin cost in the 2017 January window. All started great but none are for the long-term. Yes, we need players that will improve us but no expensive short-term fixes like these thank you! Bailey and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, c1982 said: Walcott and Tosun cost £60m last year in this window - add another £24m that Schneiderlin cost in the 2017 January window. All started great but none are for the long-term. Yes, we need players that will improve us but no expensive short-term fixes like these thank you! Completely agree. If a player we are after becomes available then great but the last thing we need is another window of sigificant incomings and outgoings. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just watched first episode of Sunderland 'til I die. There's an example what happens when you plan for the short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Herrera, Dembele, and Ramsey are all out of contract in the summer so may be available in the Jan other than that there's not many with prem experience that will be available. That said given our relationship with Watford adding a premium to any deal we try and do with them would Doucoure cost any more in Jan than in the summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, pete0 said: Herrera, Dembele, and Ramsey are all out of contract in the summer so may be available in the Jan other than that there's not many with prem experience that will be available. That said given our relationship with Watford adding a premium to any deal we try and do with them would Doucoure cost any more in Jan than in the summer? Ramsey we've got no chance of. Dembele is an absolute gem of a player but he is very much in the Gomes mould and his legs are going, would be great for experience he'd add but wouldn't add the bite we need. Herrera... meh, sick of us signing Manure cast offs. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Makis said: Just watched first episode of Sunderland 'til I die. There's an example what happens when you plan for the short term. Shows the real problems at a football club... with a few bad eggs - fuck all managers can do especially with a passionate fan base who demand more. Their chief exec was a right prick... flashing his watch off all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Bailey said: Completely agree. If a player we are after becomes available then great but the last thing we need is another window of sigificant incomings and outgoings. What matter does it mean if we do our business in January and not the summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Clubs are less reluctant to sell in the middle of the season. So there are fewer players available and prices are higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Finn balor said: What matter does it mean if we do our business in January and not the summer? Generally speaking the "right" type of player isnt available in January. They are mainly players surplus to requirements who are overpriced or they are players you are taking a chance on because the recruitment wasnt right in the summer. I would argue Walcott, Tosun, Schneiderlin, Mangala, Niasse, McGeady and Traore all fall into those brackets. As the window is only a month long, teams are also more reluctant to let a good player go because they will be harder to replace whereas in the summer there is more time to get deals through. That doesnt mean to say that if the right player wasnt available then they shouldnt be signed just because its January, but they are just less likely to be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Would anyone look at Llorente? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Finn balor Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bailey said: Would anyone look at Llorente? I would look then rapidly turn away and look at my newly painted wall Bailey, Romey 1878, markjazzbassist and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Never gonna happen but dembele at spurs is a pure player, you can’t shake him off the ball. Exactly what we need but he is going for a big final “witsel” contract StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Bailey said: Would anyone look at Llorente? Nope. markjazzbassist and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 No more stop gaps uptop. If we get a striker we need to get one of real quality. Ciro Immobile could be the perfect striker for us. Regardless, after our last window I fully trust Brands to makes the deals we need to but also not make the deals if we are getting rinsed. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Bailey said: Would anyone look at Llorente? Yes. He's an ideal short term fix for what we need up front, a target man an proven goalscorer. His best day's might be behind him but he's got bags of quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Finn balor said: I would look then rapidly turn away and look at my newly painted wall Based on what? How much have you watched him play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Finn balor said: I would look then rapidly turn away and look at my newly painted wall Fair enough. I'm not sure he fits how we play that well but he is better than we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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