Milwall (FA Cup Away) Saturday January 26th

[Palfy 1,111]

1 minute ago, hafnia said:

I don't see how it's his fault palf... he's bought in a DOF now who makes the decisions. 

Haf he had decided Silva was going to be manager 6 months before for Brands arrived.

[MikeO 9,697]

Just now, Shukes said:

I don’t think I have felt this down in a long time. I’m gutted, absolutely devastated.

Sad day for Everton but also a sad day for officialdom, does the cup have VAR or does it not? You can't introduce it in some games but not in others, if you enter a competition all should play by the same rules surely.

[Palfy 1,111]

1 minute ago, BedfordBlue said:

What the fuck has Moshiri done wrong apart from apoint the wrong manager and is probably bills job and inject millions of pounds into the club

Appointed 3 wrong managers and headed the spending of hundreds of millions on mostly shit.

[hafnia 5,244]

2 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I don’t think I have felt this down in a long time. I’m gutted, absolutely devastated.

I'm not. It's football.   Treat it for what it is. A game where the team you love is doing shit.  

Got dickheads going to games slashing people's faces... scarred for life. The result will be a faded memory in a few years for many.

[markjazzbassist 1,964]

Just now, MikeO said:

Sad day for Everton but also a sad day for officialdom, does the cup have VAR or does it not? You can't introduce it in some games but not in others, if you enter a competition all should play by the same rules surely.

 

Just now, MikeO said:

Sad day for Everton but also a sad day for officialdom, does the cup have VAR or does it not? You can't introduce it in some games but not in others, if you enter a competition all should play by the same rules surely.

agree completely i looked it up and it's like 3 matches a day, what a fucking sham.

[Wiggytop 206]

Awful performance once again, we tried to play clever passing and flick ons in awful weather on an awful pitch, against a team that just wanted to clatter us at every opportunity. We needed to play simpler more direct foorball. Didn't help ourselves by not being able to clear the ball, and giving away stupid free kicks, two from Digne which resulted in two goals.

I don't believe in changing managers without giving them a chance to prove themselves, but I'm starting to worry Marco isn'tt up to the job, we need huge improvement on Tuesday.

[hafnia 5,244]

4 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Haf he had decided Silva was going to be manager 6 months before for Brands arrived.

Yeah... I get that. And we now have a DOF who will no doubt be looking at that position.   I wanted Silva myself... it hasn't worked. 

[Ger 4]

2 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Sad day for Everton but also a sad day for officialdom, does the cup have VAR or does it not? You can't introduce it in some games but not in others, if you enter a competition all should play by the same rules surely.

 

 

VAR is just used in the League Cup this season, not in the FA Cup of Premiership, but we needed it today.

[Shukes 2,565]

4 minutes ago, hafnia said:

I'm not. It's football.   Treat it for what it is. A game where the team you love is doing shit.  

Got dickheads going to games slashing people's faces... scarred for life. The result will be a faded memory in a few years for many.

Your right mate, but i still feel like shit. Not even angry, just upset with that.

[Gwlad all over 204]

I was meh on Silva (actually voted for Pellegrini in the poll.....good shout) but we can't get rid now, he has to get a grip and try to take us out of this mess.

[markjazzbassist 1,964]

2 minutes ago, Ger said:

VAR is just used in the League Cup this season, not in the FA Cup of Premiership, but we needed it today.

yes it is, only select matches which is bull shit

 

http://www.thefa.com/news/2019/jan/17/fa-cup-var-fourth-round-170119

 

 

[hafnia 5,244]

2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Appointed 3 wrong managers and headed the spending of hundreds of millions on mostly shit.

I'd sooner have a chairman who hires, backs and sacks than a chairman who had us winning the spend little but finish 5th cup as our highlight for 11 years...

At least I get the feeling moshiri is able to get us operating in the level that we need to be. 

Liverpool hired and fired lots of managers and have ended up better for it. What did we get for our 11 years with moyes? 

[Palfy 1,111]

6 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Yeah... I get that. And we now have a DOF who will no doubt be looking at that position.   I wanted Silva myself... it hasn't worked. 

I hope to God that Brands has someone in mind not from this league we need someone with a completely different mind set and fresh ideas.

[Haiku 212]

The problem is THE MANAGER. I lost fate in Marco Silva. I don't think he's at a level matching our ambitions. He's simply not good enough. We should find proven manager. What are we thinking, we'll find the next Pocettino out of nowhere? Fuck no. Look what happened to Monaco. We should stop throwing millions on players and secure a highly paid proven Manager who can fix this mess. I wouldn't mind if we sign Mourinho at this point.

[MikeO 9,697]

1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

yes it is, only select matches which is bull shit

 

http://www.thefa.com/news/2019/jan/17/fa-cup-var-fourth-round-170119

Surely one of the selected matches (if it has to be that way) should be one covered live by the multiple angles offered by the national broadcaster.

I really hope Millwall are dry humped in the next round.

[markjazzbassist 1,964]

1 minute ago, Haiku said:

The problem is THE MANAGER. I lost fate in Marco Silva. I don't think he's at a level matching our ambitions. He's simply not good enough. We should find proven manager. What are we thinking, we'll find the next Pocettino out of nowhere? Fuck no. Look what happened to Monaco. We should stop throwing millions on players and secure a highly paid proven Manager who can fix this mess. I wouldn't mind if we sign Mourinho at this point.

we should have gotten jardim, he's a great manager, they did him dirty by selling their whole squad and then firing him, i'm perplexed why he went back there.

[hafnia 5,244]

1 minute ago, MikeO said:

Surely one of the selected matches (if it has to be that way) should be one covered live by the multiple angles offered by the national broadcaster.

I really hope Millwall are dry humped in the next round.

See their classless nob of a manager kicking off trying to get the replay on the large screen shut down? 

[Haiku 212]

Just now, markjazzbassist said:

we should have gotten jardim, he's a great manager, they did him dirty by selling their whole squad and then firing him, i'm perplexed why he went back there.

Yeah, he's good, but I find it strange he went back, I wouldn't.

[Palfy 1,111]

4 minutes ago, hafnia said:

I'd sooner have a chairman who hires, backs and sacks than a chairman who had us winning the spend little but finish 5th cup as our highlight for 11 years...

At least I get the feeling moshiri is able to get us operating in the level that we need to be. 

Liverpool hired and fired lots of managers and have ended up better for it. What did we get for our 11 years with moyes? 

So would I Haf but he's had to much input into what goes on with the team and he isn'tt a football man he is out of his depth when it comes any decisions in and around the team, but he can't stop putting his oar in.

[Gwlad all over 204]

God. I wouldn't like to be in the EFC boardroom.

[Palfy 1,111]

1 minute ago, Gwlad all over said:

God. I wouldn't like to be in the EFC boardroom.

With Moshiri telling Brands who he thinks the next manager should be.

[Haiku 212]

5 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

God. I wouldn't like to be in the EFC boardroom.

I would like, so I can show them the obvious: Hire a proven manager with footballing brain and rebuild from there.

[markjazzbassist 1,964]

11 minutes ago, Haiku said:

I would like, so I can show them the obvious: Hire a proven manager with footballing brain and rebuild from there.

i don't want to fire Silva, but who realistically (key word here) could we replace him with?  unsworth till the summer?  then poach again?  the only manager with proven success in the dutch league and europa is peter bosz but he's worse than silva in that his matches are 6-5 and no defense is played.

[hafnia 5,244]

25 minutes ago, Palfy said:

So would I Haf but he's had to much input into what goes on with the team and he isn'ttt a football man he is out of his depth when it comes any decisions in and around the team, but he can't stop putting his oar in.

Id like to understand what level of interference he has if any...

From what I understand our last 2 chairmen have had too much say.  Just bankroll the right mansgers/dofs and that's it. 

 

[Bailey 3,143]

I actually thought we played alright in the second half bar those bloody set pieces. We still fail to shoot and we still pick silly passes when easy passes are available but at least there was some urgency. 

Their second goal is a bit unlucky. The freekick was soft anyway and then we win the header but the breaks dont go our way and that happens. That 3rd goal is another fucking travesty. People will blame Silva but like the first goal, all that needs is the players on the pitch to be aggressive and have that desire to go and win the ball in the air. They all know whats coming, just get your fucking head on it. It was just pathetic. They should have been climbing over each other to win the ball but instead Coleman is getting bullied around y their players to win the ball whilst ours sit and watch. 

I honestly dont know what the answer is anymore. The manager doesnt matter. The good players are soft and the ones that do give a shit arent good enough. 

[badaids 323]

Well Marco has already in effect had a vote confidence, so I don't think he can be that far away from the chop to be honest.  It's right to say that it's horrible to sack the manager every year, and we are nowhere near as bas as at this point last year, but Marco has clearly lost control of the situation and has no idea of how to pull out of the nosedive we are in.

[Palfy 1,111]

10 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Id like to understand what level of interference he has if any...

From what I understand our last 2 chairmen have had too much say.  Just bankroll the right mansgers/dofs and that's it. 

 

I agree that's what should happen but I've always had this notion about him that he thinks he knows better than anyone else, I know fat Sam is full of sour grapes when it comes to anything Everton but because of the feeling I had about Moshiri from day one, I believe it when he said they would decide if a player was good enough if they didn't then defend it, because that's a damming statement that should be contested if not true the silence convinces me even more that he interfered with team affairs.

[barryj 392]

We need to sort out the defence, particularly set pieces. I’d be happy to see the last of zonal defending. 

[Cornish Steve 2,538]

Pathetic. 

I’m going to repeat myself: Games are won and lost in midfield. It’s there that we need leadership and passion. Drop Sigurdsson. He makes the team unbalanced. 

[MikeO 9,697]

Fifty years of supporting the club and this is pretty close to the most depressed/angry I've ever been. For sure their second goal was insanity by the officials (they will be horrified seeing the replays) but our inability to defend set pieces is a joke. Do we have a defensive coach? If not we need one big time.

[Palfy 1,111]

We are back to where we were when Martinez was manager when it comes to defending, the only difference was we could play decent football going forward with Martinez and score goals on a regular basis. 

For me Silva is the weakest of the 3 managers under Moshiri’s watch one win in his last eleven games at Watford should have warned us that when things start going wrong he doesn’t no how to correct them, it won’t be long before he beats that stat with us. 

[Gwlad all over 204]

33 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Fifty years of supporting the club and this is pretty close to the most depressed/angry I've ever been. For sure their second goal was insanity by the officials (they will be horrified seeing the replays) but our inability to defend set pieces is a joke. Do we have a defensive coach? If not we need one big time.

Me too Mike. Feel utterly deflated today.

[Elston Gunnn 274]

4 hours ago, Bailey said:

... all that needs is the players on the pitch to be aggressive and have that desire to go and win the ball in the air.

Virtually all of our players lack intelligent aggressiveness, which I prefer to characterize as relentlessness.  We are passive on defense, which shows consistently and disastrously on set pieces.  And opponents know it.  Opposing teams are invariably more confident than Everton; even inferior teams expect to beat us.  They enter a match expecting we will lose concentration.

[nyblue23 503]

4 hours ago, MikeO said:

Fifty years of supporting the club and this is pretty close to the most depressed/angry I've ever been. For sure their second goal was insanity by the officials (they will be horrified seeing the replays) but our inability to defend set pieces is a joke. Do we have a defensive coach? If not we need one big time.

I don’t understand how that goal was allowed. It’s no excuse and we should have beaten them handily (pun intended) anyway, but that shit was absolutely pathetic. If I did my job that poorly I would be fired instantly.

[Aidan 1,053]

10 hours ago, badaids said:

Well Marco has already in effect had a vote confidence, so I don't think he can be that far away from the chop to be honest.  It's right to say that it's horrible to sack the manager every year, and we are nowhere near as bas as at this point last year, but Marco has clearly lost control of the situation and has no idea of how to pull out of the nosedive we are in.

Is Moshiri looking for stability and does he plan on giving the manager a fair crack and a lengthy rein? Or is he looking for success at any cost? If he is, you'd imagine Silva will be out by the summer if things dont drastically improve. I mean, in the bigger picture he has Brands at the helm, the manager is easily replaced.

9 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Pathetic. 

I’m going to repeat myself: Games are won and lost in midfield. It’s there that we need leadership and passion. Drop Sigurdsson. He makes the team unbalanced. 

Whilst the midfield at the moment is certainly becoming a big issue, dropping a player who has scored a thrid of out goals just doesnt make sense to me.

Siggy cant seem to make the ball stick recently, but neither can Gomes, Richarlison, any striker we have on the field and many more.

But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned leadership, there is a big problem with that at the minute. It feels like the team is full of individuals, and not the kind of individual that can step up and take the game by the scruff of the neck.

 

[MikeO 9,697]

Damn, it wasn't just a bad dream😡.

[Aidan 1,053]

Just now, MikeO said:

Damn, it wasn't just a bad dream😡.

The Millwall game or the past 24 years Mike?

[Palfy 1,111]

1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Damn, it wasn't just a bad dream😡.

No it wasn’t and even after a poor nights sleep ( due mainly to the high winds) I can’t find any comfort in where we go from here if personnel aren’t changed, Silva has publicly stated on more than one occasion that he will not change is philosophy on how he plays football particularly defending. 

If he is unwilling to change or concede that it’s not working then they only way left to improve from here is to change him, time or transfer windows won’t make any difference he’s entrenched in his views. 

Look what happened at Watford one win in eleven and he couldn’t stop the slide is that due to him not being prepared to make changes to his own plan, what ever it was they took matters into their own hands and are in a far better position now he’s gone and on a small budget. 

If I had any doubts at all about whether he could do the job yesterday completely dissolved them he is not good enough his attitude and tactics are terrible and I don’t really know what his tactics are. 

[Finn balor 949]

When the winner went in, silva just threw his hands up in the air like what? Pathetic. We are piss poor. The midfield is non existent and we haven’t got a striker. We are miles off the top six. I’m sorry but managers are sacked for way worse form. Get moyes back. Yep I said it 

[Bailey 3,143]

A massive part of our problem in midfield is that they are so far apart from each other when we are trying to build the play. Again at times yesterday you had Gana and Gomes dropping into the FB spots to pick the ball up but instead of this pushing the ball back inside, they push further up the wing, in turn pushing the wingers further up the win. Because Gana and Gomes are so deep, Siggy and DCL are 30 yards away with 2 or 3 opposition players between them and the ball.

If that happens then you would expect the other central midfielder to make a big effort to come into the middle of the pitch but they dont, and you would expect Siggy to drop deeper to pick the ball up but he doesnt. Eventually we get pressed and unless the move can build back through the CBs or a ball can be played into the FB (which plays into the oppositions hands) then the ball will get turned over.

There is no doubt that Siggurddson is a very good player, but his presence in this side in his current role isnt helping us at all.

[seve 90]

I think the VAR issue is us clutching at straws, the back 4 are all strangers to each other, someone said the 2 free kicks against LD were soft, its LD who is soft

We must have said all week dont give free kicks around the the box, hes shoves the lad in the back under the linos nose clear shove the lads going no were, top class numptyism

Then he goes into the back of their man after the ball has gone, now i know footballers are not the brightest but come on how can silva be blamed for that.LD should be droped for a month till he wises up, we do have a good replacement at the moment, he has not done to bad since his arrival but his defensive side is poor.  As for kean bullied by a sunday league striker panicked into hoofing the ball anywhere, hes been in this league all his life and his 2nd year with us no excuses, time to move him on and get a leader.

Why play AG & GS in the same team against a team who will bully and get in your faces they dont have a tackle between them were was davis? or any ball winner, did we not get the weather forecast and see what kind of night it was going to be.

As for Gana he does not tackle he nicks the ball, his first thought is to go backwards and if he goes forward its always behind the player so the move slows down, he is the main reason we are slow going forward. PSG in for him who made that up his agent.  Right now its very difficult being a blue in a family full of reds, probably my lowest ebb in 60 years as a blue.

[MikeO 9,697]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47019409

[AlbanyNYToffee 147]

17 hours ago, Bailey said:

I actually thought we played alright in the second half bar those bloody set pieces. We still fail to shoot and we still pick silly passes when easy passes are available but at least there was some urgency. 

Their second goal is a bit unlucky. The freekick was soft anyway and then we win the header but the breaks dont go our way and that happens. That 3rd goal is another fucking travesty. People will blame Silva but like the first goal, all that needs is the players on the pitch to be aggressive and have that desire to go and win the ball in the air. They all know whats coming, just get your fucking head on it. It was just pathetic. They should have been climbing over each other to win the ball but instead Coleman is getting bullied around y their players to win the ball whilst ours sit and watch. 

I honestly dont know what the answer is anymore. The manager doesnt matter. The good players are soft and the ones that do give a shit arent good enough. 

Exactly where I’m at as well

[AlbanyNYToffee 147]

Every year the FA cup loss stings more than any other. Even before the season starts we’ve no shot at winning the league, the league cup is dumb and I’ve come to expect bad results in the derbies. Our season rests on the FA Cup. Our season is once again over early and it fucking stings like hell.

[Gwlad all over 204]

8 hours ago, Finn balor said:

When the winner went in, silva just threw his hands up in the air like what? Pathetic. We are piss poor. The midfield is non existent and we haven’t got a striker. We are miles off the top six. I’m sorry but managers are sacked for way worse form. Get moyes back. Yep I said it 

Look at the Mancs, Solskjaer gets the club, turns it around.

[Wiggytop 206]

The VAR issue is a joke, some games have it some don't, Chelsea have had a penalty against them overturned tonight. If they can't have it at every game early on, no one should have it. 

[pete0 1,245]

22 hours ago, badaids said:

Well Marco has already in effect had a vote confidence, so I don't think he can be that far away from the chop to be honest.  It's right to say that it's horrible to sack the manager every year, and we are nowhere near as bas as at this point last year, but Marco has clearly lost control of the situation and has no idea of how to pull out of the nosedive we are in.

Silva has looked nervy not long since the Derby. He looked relieved after the Bournemouth game, wouldn't have been surprised if he was told he was getting the chop if he lost that one and given recent results he must have one foot out the door. 

The no signings in January could be more a sign of us looking at a new manager rather than money issues. 

[Palfy 1,111]

14 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Silva has looked nervy not long since the Derby. He looked relieved after the Bournemouth game, wouldn't have been surprised if he was told he was getting the chop if he lost that one and given recent results he must have one foot out the door. 

The no signings in January could be more a sign of us looking at a new manager rather than money issues. 

I agree the board may have learnt from Koeman's  reign that it doesn't pay to allow managers to buy when they look so short of the ability to do the job.

[Gwlad all over 204]

Have a mate, Baggies fan, one of them posted on FB after their game,

 Pride is a five letter word... And with five acadamy players on the pitch offering such a fantastic glimpse of our future induces a level of pride I've not felt about the Baggies for years.. You can buy players, but you cannot buy an acadamy..THAT WAS SPECIAL

[nogs 880]

21 hours ago, MikeO said:

Fifty years of supporting the club and this is pretty close to the most depressed/angry I've ever been. For sure their second goal was insanity by the officials (they will be horrified seeing the replays) but our inability to defend set pieces is a joke. Do we have a defensive coach? If not we need one big time.

You know I didn't feel much at all when their third went in. When Digne got the free kick I said to my daughter 'they're gonna score here'. I was raging when Martinez lost all grip of the defensive side of the game, bewildered and disbelieving at just how shit things went under Koeman... But all this just has an air of inevitability about it now, the last 5 years have been utter shit and I can't even be arsed being angry anymore. 

[Bailey 3,143]

3 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

Have a mate, Baggies fan, one of them posted on FB after their game,

 Pride is a five letter word... And with five acadamy players on the pitch offering such a fantastic glimpse of our future induces a level of pride I've not felt about the Baggies for years.. You can buy players, but you cannot buy an acadamy..THAT WAS SPECIAL

That is what all fans will say until it goes tits up!

[Finn balor 949]

Fucking wilmbedon next round!!! 🤯☹️

[Aidan 1,053]

25 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Fucking wilmbedon next round!!! 🤯☹️

Absolute joke. So frustrating.