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2 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Its difficult to not be negative when the same thing happens every season.

We’ve had much worse starts to the season. Even so, being patient after a big transfer window should just be default. 

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Four points from the first three fixtures is poor. The Watford game could easily have been a draw aswell. We get an injury at centre half and we will be in trouble. We are already starting to look light in midfield. Iwobi needs to start next game and gilfi needs benching. 

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1 hour ago, Aidan said:

Its difficult to not be negative when the same thing happens every season.

Does it though? I think we need evidence here. I honestly don’t feel like it does, but happy to see if it’s true. 

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2 hours ago, StevO said:

Does it though? I think we need evidence here. I honestly don’t feel like it does, but happy to see if it’s true. 

First five games last season, played Wolves, Southampton, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, West Ham. Wolves had just come up and Huddersfield went down, I think its an easier start  this season.

D W D D L L

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4 minutes ago, Bill said:

First five games last season, played Wolves, Southampton, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, West Ham. Wolves had just come up and Huddersfield went down, I think its an easier start  this season.

D W D D L L

Put a few more seasons together if you’ve got time. I don’t think this is a habit we’ve got. If it is then it could be due to all the changes over the summer causing a bit of inconsistency. 

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I,m not digging back through past stats Steve you can do that for yourself, you asked for proof and I gave it to you, its common knowledge that we are shite against teams we should beat, that's the reason we will struggle to get anywhere near the top 6 again.

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11 minutes ago, Bill said:

I,m not digging back through past stats Steve you can do that for yourself, you asked for proof and I gave it to you, its common knowledge that we are shite against teams we should beat, that's the reason we will struggle to get anywhere near the top 6 again.

Being lazy and choosing a tiny portion of facts? Come on Bill. If you’ve got the time to provide a 5 game sample, 6 months shouldn’t be hard to do. Facts for not conceding at home since when? Conceded less in 2019 than who? 

Man City. The previous champions. Who may end the day on the same number of points. 

Context is for king’s...

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Is it too early to try for Mourinho? I'm very confident that he's the manger who will get us in Top6. If he doesn't I don't know who else could (realistically a better manager within our reach).

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5 hours ago, Bill said:

I,m not digging back through past stats Steve you can do that for yourself, you asked for proof and I gave it to you, its common knowledge that we are shite against teams we should beat, that's the reason we will struggle to get anywhere near the top 6 again.

Well Aidan said the same thing happens every season. You showed last season, I don’t think we do the same thing every season but that’s not even enough to make any sort of comparison. 

Love your optimism though.

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5 hours ago, Haiku said:

Is it too early to try for Mourinho? I'm very confident that he's the manger who will get us in Top6. If he doesn't I don't know who else could (realistically a better manager within our reach).

Think Jose's time has come n gone in Prem. Think his methods are outdated now.

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Fergie won with a worse side.

How much did Jose spend to achieve 2nd - plus with the olayers already at his disposal.

 

Jose needs bucket loads of cash and a summer transfer window to do anything - not what we can provide. Plus I believe the whole off the field PR work we are good at will suffer and our youth development.

I honestly think Jose is cooked in England now. Cant see him going to or suceeding at any team now. He needs to go to France or Germany now for his next job. Chase that dream of extra league titles across diffeeent nations

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19 minutes ago, Cisk said:

Fergie won with a worse side.

How much did Jose spend to achieve 2nd - plus with the olayers already at his disposal.

 

Jose needs bucket loads of cash and a summer transfer window to do anything - not what we can provide. Plus I believe the whole off the field PR work we are good at will suffer and our youth development.

I honestly think Jose is cooked in England now. Cant see him going to or suceeding at any team now. He needs to go to France or Germany now for his next job. Chase that dream of extra league titles across diffeeent nations

I'd give more 'credit' to the referees that year. 

Mourinho didn't pick most the signings, he excels when given more control. Woodward is still chucking money about trying to fix the squad. 

Mourinho was giving minutes to loads of kids at United as the signings were poor. Silva didn't give a single debut to a kid last year and all our youth players played less minutes than the season before bar Lookman. 

2nd two seasons ago and a Europa. Hardly say he's past it. 

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7 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Looking at that United team I doubt any other manager would've got them second. 

De Gea

Valencia Smalling Jones Young

Lingard Matic Pogba Rashford 

Mata

Lukaku 

Yeah gave loads of minutes to kids in that team. He’s a dinosaur and for all his legacy  he created at Porto he equally ruined it for his self confessed inabilities to manage young millionaire footballers. He bought off the peg 28 -30 year old players. No interest in coaching a de Bruyne 

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3 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Yeah gave loads of minutes to kids in that team. He’s a dinosaur and for all his legacy  he created at Porto he equally ruined it for his self confessed inabilities to manage young millionaire footballers. He bought off the peg 28 -30 year old players. No interest in coaching a de Bruyne 

Mourinho started KDB first game of the season over Mata who was the player of the year for the club the year previous. Must have had a reason not to trust him yet. Not many players get in to title challenging teams as a teen. 

Chelseas model has been to use youth as a business. They don't bring the players through to play for them and are only using them now due to their transfer ban. 

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5 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Mourinho started KDB first game of the season over Mata who was the player of the year for the club the year previous. Must have had a reason not to trust him yet. Not many players get in to title challenging teams as a teen. 

Chelseas model has been to use youth as a business. They don't bring the players through to play for them and are only using them now due to their transfer ban. 

🥳 wow u must have took a while to unearth that gem. He played kdb once over a player he then sold to united?  So u berate silva for not playing kids but defend Jose because that’s not in the model of the club? 

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11 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

🥳 wow u must have took a while to unearth that gem. He played kdb once over a player he then sold to united?  So u berate silva for not playing kids but defend Jose because that’s not in the model of the club? 

I remember watching it and thinking he'd be a special player. 

Their last youth player to come through was John Terry unless you count Robert Huth. Silva should have gave more minutes to our own, we had large parts were the players didn't deserve to keep their spot yet Silva persisted. Funny how people used to give Alladyce stick for using Bolasie over Lookman yet defend Silva who gave half as many minutes to the young players already here. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-chelsea/jugendarbeit/verein/631

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On 24/08/2019 at 16:25, Bill said:

I,m not digging back through past stats Steve you can do that for yourself, you asked for proof and I gave it to you, its common knowledge that we are shite against teams we should beat, that's the reason we will struggle to get anywhere near the top 6 again.

Come on Bill, it’s just a simple task of going back say… fifteen seasons, using the first five games from each season to prove your point. Of course you’ll also be expected to provide detailed information about the playing style and tactics used for each game, and what the weather conditions were like and how they helped or hindered our style of play. Don't forget to get hold of a copy of the squad menu for each matchday and cross reference what food the players ate with the times during the day that they ate it, just to see if there was a positive, negative, or any impact on their individual performances that could, in turn, have influenced the results. I do believe that will do it. Oh wait… if you could also provide a few graphs… hmmm… pie-charts are always popular.

Yes… yes, I think posting this information would definitely prove your point. Unless of course you’ve forgotten to factor in the make of boots, and type of studs, used by individual players for each match. I apologise… I’m obviously just being stupid. I mean, who the hell forgets to factor in the make of boots and and type of studs used by each player? Anyway, once you've collated and cross referenced all the information, you will then have the evidence needed to prove your point. Ok… if you could maybe do a poll as well, that would be fantastic.

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That’s all well and good Heath, but why the hell would you leave put the pitch itself?

I mean, had it been relayed before the season started? What type of grass was it? What was the blade length?

You can’t leave these simple details out!

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8 hours ago, Heath said:

Come on Bill, it’s just a simple task of going back say… fifteen seasons, using the first five games from each season to prove your point. Of course you’ll also be expected to provide detailed information about the playing style and tactics used for each game, and what the weather conditions were like and how they helped or hindered our style of play. Don't forget to get hold of a copy of the squad menu for each matchday and cross reference what food the players ate with the times during the day that they ate it, just to see if there was a positive, negative, or any impact on their individual performances that could, in turn, have influenced the results. I do believe that will do it. Oh wait… if you could also provide a few graphs… hmmm… pie-charts are always popular.

Yes… yes, I think posting this information would definitely prove your point. Unless of course you’ve forgotten to factor in the make of boots, and type of studs, used by individual players for each match. I apologise… I’m obviously just being stupid. I mean, who the hell forgets to factor in the make of boots and and type of studs used by each player? Anyway, once you've collated and cross referenced all the information, you will then have the evidence needed to prove your point. Ok… if you could maybe do a poll as well, that would be fantastic.

 Classic 😁 😁 😁 😂

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On 24/08/2019 at 23:24, pete0 said:

Looking at that United team I doubt any other manager would've got them second. 

De Gea

Valencia Smalling Jones Young

Lingard Matic Pogba Rashford 

Mata

Lukaku 

Solksjear certainly won't!  

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5 hours ago, Bailey said:

Solksjear certainly won't!  

He's the next Moyes 😁

3 hours ago, Finn balor said:

And the united fans were bored shitless 

They still backed him. Sang his name and wanted the club to get rid of Pogba over him. 

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50 minutes ago, pete0 said:

He's the next Moyes 😁

They still backed him. Sang his name and wanted the club to get rid of Pogba over him. 

What the prawn brigade or the fans that gave up their tickets? Because I know loads and loads did 

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On 24/08/2019 at 16:55, Bill said:

I'll love to see the start of a few seasons where we started with Five wins. No chance. 😁 

 

This wasn't a bad winning start to the 1894/95 Season; typical Everton still managed to come second in the league mind. Also Liverpool were relegated that season (finishing bottom) and we still couldn't beat them at Anfield, drawing 2-2 ffs  😀  

 

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Hmmm, this Marco Silva thread has taken a strange turn.

 

 

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Do we want Silva in or out- I cba reading through. Feiw he still needs time and regardless of where we finish this season, next season will be the one he should be judged on because he’ll have had multiple windows. We start the season slow because none of our new first team

players get a full pre season with us- they always come in late. It’s not rocket science.

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Complainers are going to complain.  Stat guys will yell about stats.  All I can say is that my personal level of excitement watching the team under the current manager is decent whereas under the previous manager (the one who shall remain nameless) was non existent from his first day til his last.  Can anyone disagree with that?

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1 hour ago, Paddock said:

Do we want Silva in or out- I cba reading through. Feiw he still needs time and regardless of where we finish this season, next season will be the one he should be judged on because he’ll have had multiple windows. We start the season slow because none of our new first team

players get a full pre season with us- they always come in late. It’s not rocket science.

still stay for me, i like the guy and wanted him here.  i have thought he's done a great job so far.  we were solid at the back last season and had a good couple of runs.  i still think he's the man for the job.  

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1 hour ago, plaidharper said:

Complainers are going to complain.  Stat guys will yell about stats.  All I can say is that my personal level of excitement watching the team under the current manager is decent whereas under the previous manager (the one who shall remain nameless) was non existent from his first day til his last.  Can anyone disagree with that?

100% with you.

I have enjoyed football again watching his team. Sometimes frustrating, but even the bad games are a world away from the nameless!

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It’s a good point about starting slow because of the new signings coming in late again. I like him as a person and the players like him aswell. He has got the defensive situation sorted now and I think the team will continue to evolve now that gana has gone. He and marcel are definitely on the right track as far as recruitment has gone. I look forward to watching us 

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We don't know how many of the signings were Brands' work and how many Silva's work (the latter's speaking Portuguese probably helped with the Brazilians, which is great). Either way, Silva is bringing them together as a team. Yes, you're right: That takes time, even though we all tend to be impatient. At the tail end of last season and the beginning of this, our defence was rock solid. In the last couple of games, our offence has become potent - but the defence went to pot! We're still too slow on the build up, although it's improving. Once we gel, I truly think we'll have an exciting team, and hopefully Silva's flair will add that edge to the game.

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6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

We don't know how many of the signings were Brands' work and how many Silva's work (the latter's speaking Portuguese probably helped with the Brazilians, which is great). Either way, Silva is bringing them together as a team. Yes, you're right: That takes time, even though we all tend to be impatient. At the tail end of last season and the beginning of this, our defence was rock solid. In the last couple of games, our offence has become potent - but the defence went to pot! We're still too slow on the build up, although it's improving. Once we gel, I truly think we'll have an exciting team, and hopefully Silva's flair will add that edge to the game.

If only we had a cup competition so that the players could get extra minutes in and speed up the process of perfecting the game plan. They could then start to gel faster and build up confidence and momentum 😜

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4 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Can any Watford fan really blame him for leaving? Garcia gets them to a cup final and their best league finish I believe and then gets sacked after five games? Madness 

Of course they can. They don’t support us.

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You could argue that Silva might still be there had he not had his head turned but looking at their track record, he’d probably have been gone by the end of the beginning of the following season anyway 

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6 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Can any Watford fan really blame him for leaving? Garcia gets them to a cup final and their best league finish I believe and then gets sacked after five games? Madness 

They sacked him, he didn't leave, I'm amazed they do as well as they do with all the changes, I suppose it looks good on a managers CV, a few months at Watford!

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On 09/09/2019 at 04:55, Wiggytop said:

They sacked him, he didn't leave, I'm amazed they do as well as they do with all the changes, I suppose it looks good on a managers CV, a few months at Watford!

It’s not exactly volunteer work either. I’m sure they make a few bob out of it 😉

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20 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

We are the highest “pressing” team in the prem so far this season whatever that means 

Means our laundry department is the best there is at ironing I think (had to google it, I didn't even realise "ironing" was a thing).

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I’m a fan of Marco but he got it badly wrong today. I know our defensive record has been good recently but a lot of those games where with Keane and Zouma and I feel he’s been left a bit high and dry with regards to his centre backs. Our next three away games I think are Brighton, Burnley and Southampton. If we don’t do well in those games pressure will mount 

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I was asking questions before this game so this isn’t an emotional reaction but this seasons start has been poor. We don’t look anywhere closer to the top 6. We’ve scraped two wins out of 5 against teams that should all finish lower than us.

i think Silva’s getting a bit of a free ride at the moment. I see us sloppy defensively and very slow and predictable in the build up. I think we are easy to play against.

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20 minutes ago, sydneyneil said:

I was asking questions before this game so this isn’t an emotional reaction but this seasons start has been poor. We don’t look anywhere closer to the top 6. We’ve scraped two wins out of 5 against teams that should all finish lower than us.

i think Silva’s getting a bit of a free ride at the moment. I see us sloppy defensively and very slow and predictable in the build up. I think we are easy to play against.

I totally agree with the last point. When we break we slow it down too much. I’m not counting city or the shite cos that’s unfair but look at Leicester. As soon as possession turns over vardy is gone and the midfielders know where to put it. If I’m a midfielder that wants to find a pass in behind who have we got? Potentially kean but he’s not had a run. I like DCl but i was watching him off the ball and he is pretty static and defenders don’t have to worry about him outside of the 18 yard box. 

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If everyone’s happy to keep on finishing 9th, 8th or whatever then fair enough. But this guy ain’t breaking us into the top 6. We’ve spent the money now no excuses. We are showing no improvement. Same formation, same subs....my mate who’s not a blue messaged me this morning and said hes turned two Everton games off so far cos he was so bored....couldn’t have put it better myself. I’m ready for all the back to square one shouts and season in transition and new signings bedding in blah blah blah but for me, Silva ain’t the man and I believe it’s just a matter of time before he is.

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He has not done anything in his career to suggest we will progress under him. I said it last season before the mini renaissance when the season was done. We have been well and truly beaten, deservedly so by Villa and Bournemouth. I wouldnt mind if we went to these places and you could see that we are the better team. All we do is have a bit more possession with zero penetration and fans think weve played OK. Truly dull, Martinezesque style football.

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