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He's being unlucky with injuries but hes being lucky in that that probably keeping him in his job. The Gomes injury masked another poor performance today. Just no ideas going forward we are so slow with the ball. Next week a nailed on draw to get him through the international break before the dreaded December......

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8 hours ago, MikeO said:

The really annoying thing is the way points have (potentially) been taken away from us in the last few games by officials/VAR. We could easily have five more points now and be sitting comfortably in 8th, that would've calmed the players down a bit and we could've been looking at the next couple of games as a chance to get above Arsenal and into 5th. As it is they, and we, are all still on edge.

Exactly this.

I think everyone can admit there’s not been great consistency in results and player performances - which Silva needs to take responsibility for. However in this given league - no team other than Liverpool and Man City have had that. Give Leicester the same injuries and some of the unfavourable calls we have had and I’m not sure they sit so high in the table.

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We are in a bad way when we get to the stage that we are relying on VAR to win our points. 
Christ we should be comfortable winning games against most of the teams we’ve played this season, not looking at technology as an excuse as to why we are in the position we are.

For me we need to change the desire and focus  of the team and it’s system,  and the only way I can see that happening is changing the manager l believe Silva has run out of ideas, god knows where the next win will be if not at Southampton then we are going to be fighting for our survival in this league, and I won’t be blaming VAR for our downfall. 

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12 minutes ago, Palfy said:

We are in a bad way when we get to the stage that we are relying on VAR to win our points. 
Christ we should be comfortable winning games against most of the teams we’ve played this season, not looking at technology as an excuse as to why we are in the position we are.

For me we need to change the desire and focus  of the team and it’s system,  and the only way I can see that happening is changing the manager l believe Silva has run out of ideas, god knows where the next win will be if not at Southampton then we are going to be fighting for our survival in this league, and I won’t be blaming VAR for our downfall. 

Understand your points but from 3rd to about 14th there are teams capable of keeping the game close and small margins can determine big outcomes. No team outside the top 2 are going to consistently play teams off the park - maybe we can build to that I.e west ham, comfortable against Brighton until a sketchy pen and in all honesty comfortable against spurs bar 1 bad give away.

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5 hours ago, Palfy said:

We are in a bad way when we get to the stage that we are relying on VAR to win our points. 
Christ we should be comfortable winning games against most of the teams we’ve played this season, not looking at technology as an excuse as to why we are in the position we are.

For me we need to change the desire and focus  of the team and it’s system,  and the only way I can see that happening is changing the manager l believe Silva has run out of ideas, god knows where the next win will be if not at Southampton then we are going to be fighting for our survival in this league, and I won’t be blaming VAR for our downfall. 

We're relying on VAR to stop taking points away from us more like. Like Btay has said, we have been poor but some of the decisions against us this season have been killers. 

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8 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

We're relying on VAR to stop taking points away from us more like. Like Btay has said, we have been poor but some of the decisions against us this season have been killers. 

That’s happened to most teams with VAR decisions. 
Seen a stat today that we are fourth highest in the league with big chances missed 17 was the number, that’s a more concerning part of our game than a few dubious VAR decisions. 
So let’s concern our more about how shit we are in front of goal, the manager has more control of that than a VAR decision. 
 

If we get relegated are we going to blame VAR and not the manager. 

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16 hours ago, Palfy said:

We are in a bad way when we get to the stage that we are relying on VAR to win our points. 
Christ we should be comfortable winning games against most of the teams we’ve played this season, not looking at technology as an excuse as to why we are in the position we are.

For me we need to change the desire and focus  of the team and it’s system,  and the only way I can see that happening is changing the manager l believe Silva has run out of ideas, god knows where the next win will be if not at Southampton then we are going to be fighting for our survival in this league, and I won’t be blaming VAR for our downfall. 

I don't think any team out there can be confident about winning comfortably, even City and Liverpool, both of who crept past Southampton and Villa respectfully last weekend. Every game is a tough one and fans seem dismissive of the supposed "easy" teams and I suspect an element of that is with the players as well, but I see that with players in every team at times.

If you go out with the wrong attitude in this league you will get beaten.

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I don’t agree with that. Over a season Liverpool and city would be confident of beating anybody at every game comfortably. That’s why there are at the top of the tree. Just like the uniteds and arsenals back in the day. They are that good over a season they may get the shitty odd var decision but they will still beat those teams. The big one is when they play each other and var has an outcome. Arseholes will be twitching this weekend 

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This blokes an absolute joke. Trying to take credit for Davies, the lad played under our last two managers twice as many minutes. Only  played under Silva last year when Gomes wasn't match fit and when Gana went the African nations. 

First 8 games this year all he got was 20 minutes across 2 matches. Took a few injuries and four straight defeats for him to get a game. Silva can fuck off now trying to take credit, if he already knew he was good enough why wasn't he starting sooner? 

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1486807/silva-explains-why-midfielder-davies-is-proving-him-right

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21 minutes ago, pete0 said:

This blokes an absolute joke. Trying to take credit for Davies, the lad played under our last two managers twice as many minutes. Only  played under Silva last year when Gomes wasn't match fit and when Gana went the African nations. 

First 8 games this year all he got was 20 minutes across 2 matches. Took a few injuries and four straight defeats for him to get a game. Silva can fuck off now trying to take credit, if he already knew he was good enough why wasn't he starting sooner? 

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1486807/silva-explains-why-midfielder-davies-is-proving-him-right

I 100% agree he likes to take credit for everything that goes well with in the team, even though as supporters we can see he’s talking shit, especially with this article and the Holgate bullshit trying to make himself look like a great coach when it comes to young talent. 
It’s a shame he doesn’t take responsibility for how shit we are this season, and admit he’s got it wrong and doesn’t know what he’s doing. 

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19 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I 100% agree he likes to take credit for everything that goes well with in the team, even though as supporters we can see he’s talking shit, especially with this article and the Holgate bullshit trying to make himself look like a great coach when it comes to young talent. 
It’s a shame he doesn’t take responsibility for how shit we are this season, and admit he’s got it wrong and doesn’t know what he’s doing. 

That bit does my head in the most. He's always doing damage control, blames the players for not doing as they were told when it's clear the players were following his instructions/tactics and that was the reason we scored rather than blame the player that missed the only chance we had. If you only have one chance there's clearly a problem tactics wise surely. 

Responsibility is a massive trait for me and I just don't see it in Silva. I can't bear his character. He's not 'Everton' at all. 

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You guys should watch his post match interviews.

He is constantly referring to us as WE when saying we aren’t good enough and aren’t performing good enough. 

Not saying it’s any excuse for our performances or his, but damn we Evertonians can fish with the best of them.

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7 minutes ago, Shukes said:

You guys should watch his post match interviews.

He is constantly referring to us as WE when saying we aren’t good enough and aren’t performing good enough. 

Not saying it’s any excuse for our performances or his, but damn we Evertonians can fish with the best of them.

Tight lines Shukes, to be fair mate his record as a manager in the PL is very poor and abysmal here, even if I wanted to defend him I couldn’t he has to go and very soon to give someone time to put his mark on this mess whilst there’s still time. 

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12 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Tight lines Shukes, to be fair mate his record as a manager in the PL is very poor and abysmal here, even if I wanted to defend him I couldn’t he has to go and very soon to give someone time to put his mark on this mess whilst there’s still time. 

I have been a supported over the last year, but patience has run out. He doesn’t seem to be making any changes that make any real difference.

If I could see a plan in place, I would have more patience. But I don’t see anything other than stick with plan A and hope that something clicks. 

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15 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I have been a supported over the last year, but patience has run out. He doesn’t seem to be making any changes that make any real difference.

If I could see a plan in place, I would have more patience. But I don’t see anything other than stick with plan A and hope that something clicks. 

It is tough for the fans we seem to be taking one step forward and two steps backwards when it comes to managers at the moment, and as much as all of us are desperate for some stability with a manager unfortunately I don’t think Silva has got what it takes to be that manager. 

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18 minutes ago, Palfy said:

It is tough for the fans we seem to be taking one step forward and two steps backwards when it comes to managers at the moment, and as much as all of us are desperate for some stability with a manager unfortunately I don’t think Silva has got what it takes to be that manager. 

100% 👍

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2 hours ago, Shukes said:

You guys should watch his post match interviews.

He is constantly referring to us as WE when saying we aren’t good enough and aren’t performing good enough. 

Not saying it’s any excuse for our performances or his, but damn we Evertonians can fish with the best of them.

It should be 'my'. My tactics aren't good enough and "I" have had 4 straight defeats and a injuries before reluctantly changing things. 

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22 hours ago, Finn balor said:

I don’t agree with that. Over a season Liverpool and city would be confident of beating anybody at every game comfortably. That’s why there are at the top of the tree. Just like the uniteds and arsenals back in the day. They are that good over a season they may get the shitty odd var decision but they will still beat those teams. The big one is when they play each other and var has an outcome. Arseholes will be twitching this weekend 

I disagree... The players at City and Liverpool don't get to where they are because they expect to win every game "comfortably". They may expect to win, but they know they will have to fight hard for it. Thats the difference between a De Bruyne and a Pogba or a Salah and a Deulofeu.

Look at the two teams to have beaten City this season... Wolves and Norwich... I mean Norwich. They were poor that game too because they werent at it and Norwich took their chances. They probably thought like you clearly do, lowly little Norwich, should be a walkover.

Back in the day the difference between the good teams and bad teams was far greater IMO, not just in the finances but also in the tactics. Teams are so defensive now and so much more organised.

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9 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Is that picking up results? Look at Leicester that’s what I want 

When we buy as well as Leicester have done we can start expecting that. Painful as it is for Evertonians to accept, they have better players than us as well as a better manager

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24 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Is that picking up results? Look at Leicester that’s what I want 

I’d quite like what City do too, but it’s not realistic at the moment is it? 
Leicester have the most clinical striker in the league in the team, makes a huge difference. 

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

So, in our last five games;

win against Southampton

draw against Spurs

win against Watford

loss against Brighton

win against West Ham

Are things still terrible? Before West Ham I wanted him gone, IF we could get someone better. I’d still replace him if we can get someone better (no idea who that might be), but I’d rather he just carry on picking up results and make a success of things and have some consistency. 

Whilst I am inclined to agree, let's see how we do against a team that is actually in some kind of form. 

Performances have been very inconsistent and I could easily see us beating Norwich and then being embarrassed by Leicester, Liverpool and Chelsea. 

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I’d see if we could get Leonardo jardim from Monaco.  He’s worked wonders with young players and constant selling of his best players.  He’s doing well this year after he left last year.  Plays attacking football and is Portuguese which plays well to our Brazilians and Portuguese players.

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

I’d quite like what City do too, but it’s not realistic at the moment is it? 
Leicester have the most clinical striker in the league in the team, makes a huge difference. 

Not the same though is it? Not even bothering with that post 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

Not the same though is it? Not even bothering with that post 

It is the same. I’d love us to play like Leicester myself, but they have a solid foundation at that club. Even through managerial changes they have seemed to keep a level of consistency and a reaping the benefits. We’ve had repeated wholesale changes. We are a million miles away from them, but take Vardy out of their team and they aren’t half as effective. 
 

To be clear, my post wasn’t deafening Silva in anyway (if anyone even thought I was they must have missed my paragraph saying I’d still replace him if we can get someone better), but I was asking people’s thoughts after winning three of the last five games. 

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We are quietly picking up points while still recognising there is much improvement needed. If we can keep building on this then we have a chance of coming out of the season with something.

But we need to keep making these tiny steps.

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It's consistency we badly need to find, the team and off the field really. Whether Silva is the one to give us that is another matter. But winning one, and then drawing and losing the next two isn't helping us in the slightest. Neither is hiring a manager and giving him a shit load of money to build a team, then sacking them and having to do the whole process again.

Consistency, consistency, consistency.

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10 hours ago, StevO said:

It is the same. I’d love us to play like Leicester myself, but they have a solid foundation at that club. Even through managerial changes they have seemed to keep a level of consistency and a reaping the benefits. We’ve had repeated wholesale changes. We are a million miles away from them, but take Vardy out of their team and they aren’t half as effective. 
 

To be clear, my post wasn’t deafening Silva in anyway (if anyone even thought I was they must have missed my paragraph saying I’d still replace him if we can get someone better), but I was asking people’s thoughts after winning three of the last five games. 

That’s a bit of a cliche really I would replace him if we can get someone better, that can never be known until after the event. 
Basically your sitting on the fence, if he was replaced with someone for the better you could say I’m happy with that I new he was better, or you could say if it wasn’t for the better I new we shouldn’t have replaced him with him. 
Personally for me it’s in or out and what happens after that is in the lap of the Gods, but you have to make a definitive decision and go with it. 
I say out he has shown he lacks so much to get this club where we want to be, I would rather have another 12-18 months of rebuilding and hope than go through 3 more years of this dross. 

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I have chopped and changed on Silva to match the rollercoaster of emotions I have suffered following Everton.

I now think that he has been hamstrung by the following:

1) Having his first choice midfield and centerback partnerships taken away from him by selling Gana and not being able to sign Zooma.

2) Us not signing a proven goal scorer.

3) Injuries.

His refusal for so long to drop players out of form, and play systems to shoehorn players are so frustrating.

I think he can turn it around, I think he will. Now he has broken the away win hoodo and we are going to be playing teams nobody expects us to get results against the pressure is less. With midfield options limited he can focus on coaching them.

For the first time in since the end of last season where we were so good I feel positive.

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For me he just doesn't seem to be a motivator when you compare him to other managers in the league.

I don't mean for him to be running up and down the touchline being all emotional but he always looks flat. Only recently with his job being at risk does he "come alive".

This is his second season and many of the issues of last season have not been resolved. We look like we struggle to manufacture real chances at goal.

We have got the January transfer window now approaching to try and rectify some of the glaring omissions from summer and also the injury crisis. If the wrong players are brought in and he doesn't see a significant uptick in performances then he wont see out the season

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

I have chopped and changed on Silva to match the rollercoaster of emotions I have suffered following Everton.

I now think that he has been hamstrung by the following:

1) Having his first choice midfield and centerback partnerships taken away from him by selling Gana and not being able to sign Zooma.

2) Us not signing a proven goal scorer.

3) Injuries.

His refusal for so long to drop players out of form, and play systems to shoehorn players are so frustrating.

I think he can turn it around, I think he will. Now he has broken the away win hoodo and we are going to be playing teams nobody expects us to get results against the pressure is less. With midfield options limited he can focus on coaching them.

For the first time in since the end of last season where we were so good I feel positive.

I admit I’d lost my temper after the Burnley game but otherwise I’m still trying to be patient with him. Reasons 1&3 are principal for me, option 2 less so. I think he is trying to play the long game and trying to be patient with instilling his beliefs, not throwing kids into fray (hence sticking with the more experienced players even though they’ve been poor) and instead letting them take their time, etc. 

It’s the beginning of his second season. There was so much to correct from the previous 3-5 years, especially the 12 months prior to his arrival, it was never going to be undone and built on in 18months. 
 

I suspect we’ll see Kean regularly after Christmas, like he did with DCL last year. I think Iwobi would’ve been starting more in the middle if Bernard hadn’t been injured, but with all of the injuries mounting up he’s having to plug holes with whomever can play that role even remotely and we just need to be as patient as ever until the squad gets settled again. 
 

I didn’t want him here but I’m not in a rush to get rid of him. He showed end of last season that he can turn things around and play some great football. Patience, as well as consistency (as much as we can with players dropping like flies) are absolutely key. 

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21 hours ago, Matt said:

I admit I’d lost my temper after the Burnley game but otherwise I’m still trying to be patient with him. Reasons 1&3 are principal for me, option 2 less so. I think he is trying to play the long game and trying to be patient with instilling his beliefs, not throwing kids into fray (hence sticking with the more experienced players even though they’ve been poor) and instead letting them take their time, etc. 

It’s the beginning of his second season. There was so much to correct from the previous 3-5 years, especially the 12 months prior to his arrival, it was never going to be undone and built on in 18months. 
 

I suspect we’ll see Kean regularly after Christmas, like he did with DCL last year. I think Iwobi would’ve been starting more in the middle if Bernard hadn’t been injured, but with all of the injuries mounting up he’s having to plug holes with whomever can play that role even remotely and we just need to be as patient as ever until the squad gets settled again. 
 

I didn’t want him here but I’m not in a rush to get rid of him. He showed end of last season that he can turn things around and play some great football. Patience, as well as consistency (as much as we can with players dropping like flies) are absolutely key. 

 

17 hours ago, StevO said:

Not sitting on the fence at all Palfy. And I’m not looking for an opportunity to say I was right or wrong, all I’m bothered about is what’s best for the club. 
If you can tell me a manager who can take over I’ll tell you if I think it’s worth moving him on or not. I don’t want him to be sacked and then have a month of Unsworth. I also don’t want him sacked and see Hughes or Moyes come in. If we can’t get someone better it’s not worth sacking him, and for me that goes for any manger. It’s not a tough concept. The club speak to managers they think would be an upgrade, if they can get one of them sack him and upgrade. If they can’t, stick with what we’ve got. 
We can’t sack him without someone else lined up and end up with an Unsworth/Allardyce saga. That doesn’t help anyone. 

I think the biggest thing blues want to see is improvement. We improved towards the end of last season and was in great form, but then that all goes out the window again and its rinse repeat.

The players don't appear to know was is expected of them, and there is a lack of a plan b when we're shut out of the wide areas.

I dont feel like we're going backwards but I also find it hard to see where we are progressing. With investments we've had into the squad these past 2 windows we should be doing much better. I know things take time, but all I want is an indicator that we're improving.

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There was something said in 5 Live on Saturday that "the rumour was" we'd go for an interim manager again if Silva is sacked. Personally I think that's madness, I'd rather give Silva til the end of the season. 

Regardless, we've won three of our last 5 games. No manager will get sacked on the back of that. 

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2 hours ago, nogs said:

There was something said in 5 Live on Saturday that "the rumour was" we'd go for an interim manager again if Silva is sacked. Personally I think that's madness, I'd rather give Silva til the end of the season. 

Regardless, we've won three of our last 5 games. No manager will get sacked on the back of that. 

unless the manager of our dreams is out there and willing to accept the position, i agree, keep him till the summer.  not worth it all the hiring/firing.

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2 hours ago, Aidan said:

 

I think the biggest thing blues want to see is improvement. We improved towards the end of last season and was in great form, but then that all goes out the window again and its rinse repeat.

The players don't appear to know was is expected of them, and there is a lack of a plan b when we're shut out of the wide areas.

I dont feel like we're going backwards but I also find it hard to see where we are progressing. With investments we've had into the squad these past 2 windows we should be doing much better. I know things take time, but all I want is an indicator that we're improving.

I don't think our great form has gone out of the window it's just a case of there are teams that our way of playing suits and there are teams that it doesn't. Even in our great run we were picked apart by Fulham. 

I think there has been an element of misfortune this season, more than last anyway, but I think that this is us under Silva at the moment. The games against the crap teams have been more or less based on who scores first and inevitably we have missed ours and they have scored from one of very few shots. 

As others have said, if the right manager is there then great go and get him but if he isn't then what is the point of changing. At least give this group some time to gel and then the new manager has a better chance of succeeding.

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What justification is their for him to stay when he overlooked Davies and Holgate all last season and the start of this one. Both have shown how inept he is. I'd even argue DCL given it took half a season before he'd trust him up top even though he clearly suited the role more than Tosun and Richarlison. 

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12 hours ago, Btay said:

This won’t be popular but I want to stick with Silva. The league is so tight - the points lost at Brighton would have had us even with 5th. Mass injuries at the moment haven’t helped Leicester are in good form but an injury to a few starters would seriously hinder them. I don’t actually fear the next run of fixtures so much.

Norwich, Leicester, Liverpool, chelsea, Man U & Arsenal. 

Norwich we need to win. Leicester - who knows but let’s get at them and we can get points. We turned up well for the last 2 derby’s and I don’t fear Man U or arsenal one bit. 

Despite what I said a few weeks ago about needing to beat West Ham, Brighton and Watford coming out of the international break for him to keep his job, I'm with you Btay. I've always found this decision to be so difficult - with the exception of Allardyce, hated every second of him. Martinez and Koeman weren't cut and dry either. For me I've always put the most stock into how the players react to and speak about the manager. There is real, genuine respect there from most if not all of them. That speaks volumes. 

10 hours ago, pete0 said:

What justification is their for him to stay when he overlooked Davies and Holgate all last season and the start of this one. Both have shown how inept he is. I'd even argue DCL given it took half a season before he'd trust him up top even though he clearly suited the role more than Tosun and Richarlison. 

Davies and Holgate are in a good run of form no doubt about it and it's outstanding to see. We've also seen each of them make critical mistakes. Don't mistake 3 or 4 games as proof they're established quality premier league players. 

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15 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Also what do stats like this say? Seems we aren't giving him enough credit for creating chances and at the same time not giving the players enough crap for wasting them. 

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There have been awful mistakes made by our players this season with the most recent being the Iwobi back pass. I also hate using this as an excuse, but VAR hasn't been that kind to us either. We also really need an established striker to lead the line because as shown above, we can't finish our chances. 

Can we play better? Yes. We've looked better the last few games and hopefully it continues. The only thing that has me really disappointed is the fact that we had what is considered an easy start in our schedule. We truly did not take advantage of that. 

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On 11/11/2019 at 19:11, Gwlad all over said:

I think Rafa is available at the end of Nov when Chinese league ends. Would love to see him here as I've said before. Big club mentality and we have to forget what went before.

He didn't have a big club mentality at Newcastle.

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Get over what he said, a lot of water under the bridge since then. Also don't think his heart was ever in the city of Newcastle, Liverpool is different. Just think Marco is hanging on by his fingernails and after December not sure we'll be in a good place.

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2 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Just read an article on planet football. It’s the league table after the last 38 league games. We would be 13th in the league. Speaks volumes 

Nobody outside the "big" six exists on that planet apparently so they can f'ck off.

 

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I have a feeling with the games coming up we could be in our worst predicament in the league for years. 
I’m done with Silva to be honest I have been for the last few weeks, I had been trying to give him the benefit of doubt up to then, but I have no doubt now he’s not good enough he hasn’t got the knowledge or ideas to move us forward. 
It’s not just the results although them alone should be reason enough to get rid, it’s just as much how good players look a shadow of themselves in his team, and don’t seem to be able to perform to their best. 

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4 hours ago, Palfy said:

I have a feeling with the games coming up we could be in our worst predicament in the league for years. 
I’m done with Silva to be honest I have been for the last few weeks, I had been trying to give him the benefit of doubt up to then, but I have no doubt now he’s not good enough he hasn’t got the knowledge or ideas to move us forward. 
It’s not just the results although them alone should be reason enough to get rid, it’s just as much how good players look a shadow of themselves in his team, and don’t seem to be able to perform to their best. 

I think after that difficult run a Silva's fate will be decided. He did it at the end of last year so this is going to be a make or break and the derby is a massive game for us. He wins or draws with a great display then that could reignite us. 

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Just now, Aidan said:

I think after that difficult run a Silva's fate will be decided. He did it at the end of last year so this is going to be a make or break and the derby is a massive game for us. He wins or draws with a great display then that could reignite us. 

I hope you’re right. 

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