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It's a results orientated business. That's a fact. He's the polar opposite to Sam Allardyce. Sam is hated but gets results. He knows how to organise teams and manages games well, sees games out, seemingly with a worse squad than what Silva has right now. (I'm not advocating for BFS here, just making a point!)

Silva is actually well liked as a bloke and he tries to play attacking football but it's far too kamikaze and his in game management is the worst Ive ever seen. Zero organisational skills which is mirrored in his results. His win percentage in the Premier League is woeful and it is getting worse....Does anyone think he would have had Watford relegated if he would have continued?

Probably, and that is a huge cause for concern. This guy manages teams in a relegation fight and has lost one already. The next club got rid before they were sucked in. Please don't let us make that fateful mistake......

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I would say that the position were in, is pretty much where we have ended the last few seasons. We’re a team playing with the form of a team that will finish around 8th position.

Are we even half way through yet?

Cue the we’re a spot above relegation... just so you know, I know that. But I will still bet any of you that we won’t be there at the end of the season... and I mean we will be at minimum 5 places above.  The reason is that I can simply look at the table and see that two wins changes the whole look of the league table.

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3 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I would say that the position were in, is pretty much where we have ended the last few seasons. We’re a team playing with the form of a team that will finish around 8th position.

Are we even half way through yet?

Cue the we’re a spot above relegation... just so you know, I know that. But I will still bet any of you that we won’t be there at the end of the season... and I mean we will be at minimum 5 places above.  The reason is that I can simply look at the table and see that two wins changes the whole look of the league table.

Still a shit outlook though shukes. I like Marco as a man but he’s not THE MAN. He has to go I’m afraid. 

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Yesterday still feels like a horrible kick in the teeth, I feel sorry for Silva and for the team because we did show real fight and got nothing for it. But I still have to go back to Norwich - surely anything like the application we showed yesterday and we'd have beaten them. That to me was a turning point - win that and we could take a couple of plucky-but-unlucky performances against the three teams who are absolutely flying were playing this week. We keep putting in God awful displays at the wrong time, and that will get you into a lot of trouble in the PL. I just don't see Silva injecting the change of momentum we need. 

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All in all its not been good enough from silva, but I do have a lot of sympathy towards him. The amount of injuries we have had is unreal and the fact the board didn't make enough of an effort to sign a Zouma replacement isn't good enough and they need to take some responsibility. I don't know how much Silva was involved with bringing kean to the club but again recruitment up front wasn't good enough either, we needed a more experienced striker who can lead the line, not another prospect. 

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Voice quite croaky in his post match interview. He knows he's on the ropes. I think he knows he's a goner and is genuinely upset about the prospect of losing his job. He'll not get another go in the Premiership without winning something pretty decent abroad first.

It's so frustrating. Really thought he'd sussed it in the last third of last season.

Shame but you can't lose 9 of the first 15 games, with the players at hand, albeit with some real bad luck, and expect to be given more chances - not when you've gone back to bad habits we were seeing over 12 months ago.

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Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

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9 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

We got Gbamin and Delph both of which have been injured- out his control. Zouma and Mina would have been a good partnership, he’s tried Holgate, 3/5 at the back because of how poor Keane is but there’s not much else he can do. Also add in Coleman has been bang average.

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I think he's dreading this job already. Probably he wants to be fired as much as we do. Feel sorry for him, because he seems genuinely a good guy, but things just didn't worked out. I wish him luck and a lot of success with his next club.

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Still think he needs a couple of games. By all accounts we got screwed by VAR again and at least we got goal. A new manager inheriting a demoralised squad is either a mercenary or saviour, but it’s an utter gamble. 

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Silva was a good appointment on paper but just didn't work out. He has had bad luck, poor decisions go against him and made mistakes. It just was not meant to be. Nice guy but the wrong guy. Time to move on.

Need a new manager to lift the players, give them some belief back. If Silva stays the atmosphere in the changing room will become too toxic and we will be in even deeper shit.

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40 minutes ago, Matt said:

Still think he needs a couple of games. By all accounts we got screwed by VAR again and at least we got goal. A new manager inheriting a demoralised squad is either a mercenary or saviour, but it’s an utter gamble. 

He needs a centre half and dependant on injuries another CM. This applies for any new manager that comes in.

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2 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

Our next players this year have been Mina and Davies. 

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3 hours ago, pete0 said:

Our next players this year have been Mina and Davies. 

No issue with Mina this year. Davies isn’t Gana’s replacement and I don’t think he’s going to develop into that player. Delph/Gbabim were meant to be that 

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6 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

I think his biggest loss from last season was his assistant, he’s lost his right hand man and if truth be known possibly the brains behind the outfit. 

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8 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

Given how dreadful Keane has been the failure to replace Zouma stands out as the icing on another very poor transfer window. Who was that on? Brands? I just can't get my head round a PL team going into the season with three senior centre backs. More I think about it, more I worry that something is very wrong in how the club is being run. 

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29 minutes ago, nogs said:

Given how dreadful Keane has been the failure to replace Zouma stands out as the icing on another very poor transfer window. Who was that on? Brands? I just can't get my head round a PL team going into the season with three senior centre backs. More I think about it, more I worry that something is very wrong in how the club is being run. 

If you believe the rumours then Brands doesn't have the authority his role should have and Kenwright still has too much influence.

If Moyes is the replacement then I'll be 100% believing these rumours. And concluding that we're owned by a fucking moron.

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He has some bad luck fall his way, but for me he lacks the ability to effect changes in a game, we go behind far too often and can’t pull the game back, most of his subs are like for like. Last night was the classic example, we were loosing 4-2 at half time to the best team in the premier and European champions, a game were not going to get anything from unless changes were made. He should have put Kean on with DCL, Siggy did nothing, neither did Bernie ( wrong game and timing for him to back IMO) a 442 would have given a stronger front line against a team who do concede goals, and if we’re playing in their half they less likely to score against us.

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6 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

He has some bad luck fall his way, but for me he lacks the ability to effect changes in a game, we go behind far too often and can’t pull the game back, most of his subs are like for like. Last night was the classic example, we were loosing 4-2 at half time to the best team in the premier and European champions, a game were not going to get anything from unless changes were made. He should have put Kean on with DCL, Siggy did nothing, neither did Bernie ( wrong game and timing for him to back IMO) a 442 would have given a stronger front line against a team who do concede goals, and if we’re playing in their half they less likely to score against us.

Bringing Morgan on when we were chasing the game was another head-scratcher for me. 

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2 minutes ago, nogs said:

I swore. Nearly as badly as I swore about Keane's non attempt at defending the first goal. 

 

Just now, Sibdane said:

I rolled my eyes and threw my hands up in the air. That was the dagger for me. 

Don't get me wrong, it was me laughing in utter disbelief. It was bad enough against Norwich swapping Sidibe for Coleman at 1-0 down but that last night was on a whole new level. Sigurdsson and Iwobi had both been absolute shite all game and he subs Davies? Davies who at least was trying. And then compounds the lunacy of the sub by the replacement being a defensive player.

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Just now, Romey 1878 said:

 

Don't get me wrong, it was me laughing in utter disbelief. It was bad enough against Norwich swapping Sidibe for Coleman at 1-0 down but that last night was on a whole new level. Sigurdsson and Iwobi had both been absolute shite all game and he subs Davies? Davies who at least was trying. And then compounds the lunacy of the sub by the replacement being a defensive player.

It made no sense. Granted, he didn't have much options in midfield, but I wouldn't be bringing on Morgan regardless. I would've just kept Gylfi on even though he was ineffective. He at least has the ability to score from nothing in a flash whereas Morgan can't. I just don't get bringing on a defensive player when we're down. 

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He should have put Walcott on stuck Iwobi more central and thrown caution to the wind and taken Keane off, instead with our last role of the dice he goes negative. 
Is that really worth 6 million a year, because if it is we should all get our applications in for the vacant managers job. 

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3 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Can't be good for Marco. 

Or Farhad is planning to deliver a good old fashioned owner's pep talk, inspiring them to victory on Saturday and everything will be fine and dandy... 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

Don't get me wrong, it was me laughing in utter disbelief. It was bad enough against Norwich swapping Sidibe for Coleman at 1-0 down but that last night was on a whole new level. Sigurdsson and Iwobi had both been absolute shite all game and he subs Davies? Davies who at least was trying. And then compounds the lunacy of the sub by the replacement being a defensive player.

Silva has said that davies has been missing training sessions due to slight injury so that’s the only reason I can see davies going off. 

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1 hour ago, plaidharper said:

He is staying isn't he...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/dec/05/marco-silva-everton-managerial-mystery-watford-hull

This interesting article about his unconventional career suggests he’s off, but then at the very end says: “The real game-changer here would be to keep Silva, to make him settle and work with the players, to stay a while and grow roots for the first time in his elite career.”

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4 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/dec/05/marco-silva-everton-managerial-mystery-watford-hull

This interesting article about his unconventional career suggests he’s off, but then at the very end says: “The real game-changer here would be to keep Silva, to make him settle and work with the players, to stay a while and grow roots for the first time in his elite career.”

And the real twist in that tale would be we get relegated and he gets to do all that work in the Championship! 

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11 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

There will be an announcement tonight (UK time).  You don't parade the board down to Finch Farm and then go silent.

This is Everton mate. Who knows what the fuck is going on. 

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13 hours ago, Btay said:

No issue with Mina this year. Davies isn’t Gana’s replacement and I don’t think he’s going to develop into that player. Delph/Gbabim were meant to be that 

Gomes was the sitter, Gana was supposedly the link. Gomes carried on his normal role and Davies took the other spot. 

11 hours ago, nogs said:

Given how dreadful Keane has been the failure to replace Zouma stands out as the icing on another very poor transfer window. Who was that on? Brands? I just can't get my head round a PL team going into the season with three senior centre backs. More I think about it, more I worry that something is very wrong in how the club is being run. 

We had a ready made replacement for Zouma in Mina. Keane needing upgrading is independent of Zouma leaving. 

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5 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Now that it's done, I wish him well. 

Even though his tactics can be called into question, I don't think you can question his commitment to the team. What pissed me off about Koeman is towards the end he didn't look like he gave a shit, we were shipping goals left, right and centre without looking arsed. Silva always looked as though he was desperate for a win (or a point) but just wasn't getting the run of the green and/or good enough. 

Unfortunately, I don't think his tenure will be remembered in 10-20 years time. Moyes took us from fighting relegation to Europe, Martinez brought that attractive, attacking football and I think at the start Koeman looked really good - I just don't know what identity Marco has brought to the club nor do I think he's really progressed us as hoped, quite the opposite. 

It'll be interesting to see how we respond against Chelsea. As much as I wanted Silva to go I'm filled with anxiety due to not knowing who we'll get next. A bad appointment could put is in an even bigger mess. 

agree with all of this, top post

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Inevitable. Thought there were times last season when things were looking really good under him, but then again we stuffed Guardiola's City 4-0 under Koeman. Hindsight confirms the worries when he arrived - just not of the right pedigree for where we want to be. 

The bigger picture is that is now four managerial sackings in three years since Moshiri took over, and this of all of them reflects the worst on his decision making. He can't afford any more cock ups, the Prem is a brutal league and if we don't get some stability and direction we'll end up in the Championship. 

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Gutted that we've gone through another manager. Not what I wanted to happen 18month ago. I thought we had a well regarded young manager who could help us onto the next phase. A bit of calm and progress was to come. It's all about results though, and at least showing progress. We just ain't done enough of either.

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9 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Duncan in charge on Saturday

 

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1518522/club-statement

 

"aims to confirm a new permanent manager as swiftly as possible"

 

Clearly no sorted yet.

Not sure why they went with Duncan over Unsworth this time around. Seems like kind of a slap in the face to him, but what do I know?

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