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Silva was a good appointment on paper but just didn't work out. He has had bad luck, poor decisions go against him and made mistakes. It just was not meant to be. Nice guy but the wrong guy. Time to move on.

Need a new manager to lift the players, give them some belief back. If Silva stays the atmosphere in the changing room will become too toxic and we will be in even deeper shit.

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40 minutes ago, Matt said:

Still think he needs a couple of games. By all accounts we got screwed by VAR again and at least we got goal. A new manager inheriting a demoralised squad is either a mercenary or saviour, but it’s an utter gamble. 

He needs a centre half and dependant on injuries another CM. This applies for any new manager that comes in.

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2 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

Our next players this year have been Mina and Davies. 

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3 hours ago, pete0 said:

Our next players this year have been Mina and Davies. 

No issue with Mina this year. Davies isn’t Gana’s replacement and I don’t think he’s going to develop into that player. Delph/Gbabim were meant to be that 

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6 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

I think his biggest loss from last season was his assistant, he’s lost his right hand man and if truth be known possibly the brains behind the outfit. 

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8 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he simply wasn't able to cope with the loss of Zouma and Gana.  Our good run at the end of last season relied on those and we don't have a like for like replacement for either.  That meant we needed to change the playing style, but instead we kept trying to play the same but without those key personnel it blew up in his face.

Given how dreadful Keane has been the failure to replace Zouma stands out as the icing on another very poor transfer window. Who was that on? Brands? I just can't get my head round a PL team going into the season with three senior centre backs. More I think about it, more I worry that something is very wrong in how the club is being run. 

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29 minutes ago, nogs said:

Given how dreadful Keane has been the failure to replace Zouma stands out as the icing on another very poor transfer window. Who was that on? Brands? I just can't get my head round a PL team going into the season with three senior centre backs. More I think about it, more I worry that something is very wrong in how the club is being run. 

If you believe the rumours then Brands doesn't have the authority his role should have and Kenwright still has too much influence.

If Moyes is the replacement then I'll be 100% believing these rumours. And concluding that we're owned by a fucking moron.

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He has some bad luck fall his way, but for me he lacks the ability to effect changes in a game, we go behind far too often and can’t pull the game back, most of his subs are like for like. Last night was the classic example, we were loosing 4-2 at half time to the best team in the premier and European champions, a game were not going to get anything from unless changes were made. He should have put Kean on with DCL, Siggy did nothing, neither did Bernie ( wrong game and timing for him to back IMO) a 442 would have given a stronger front line against a team who do concede goals, and if we’re playing in their half they less likely to score against us.

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6 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

He has some bad luck fall his way, but for me he lacks the ability to effect changes in a game, we go behind far too often and can’t pull the game back, most of his subs are like for like. Last night was the classic example, we were loosing 4-2 at half time to the best team in the premier and European champions, a game were not going to get anything from unless changes were made. He should have put Kean on with DCL, Siggy did nothing, neither did Bernie ( wrong game and timing for him to back IMO) a 442 would have given a stronger front line against a team who do concede goals, and if we’re playing in their half they less likely to score against us.

Bringing Morgan on when we were chasing the game was another head-scratcher for me. 

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2 minutes ago, nogs said:

I swore. Nearly as badly as I swore about Keane's non attempt at defending the first goal. 

 

Just now, Sibdane said:

I rolled my eyes and threw my hands up in the air. That was the dagger for me. 

Don't get me wrong, it was me laughing in utter disbelief. It was bad enough against Norwich swapping Sidibe for Coleman at 1-0 down but that last night was on a whole new level. Sigurdsson and Iwobi had both been absolute shite all game and he subs Davies? Davies who at least was trying. And then compounds the lunacy of the sub by the replacement being a defensive player.

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Just now, Romey 1878 said:

 

Don't get me wrong, it was me laughing in utter disbelief. It was bad enough against Norwich swapping Sidibe for Coleman at 1-0 down but that last night was on a whole new level. Sigurdsson and Iwobi had both been absolute shite all game and he subs Davies? Davies who at least was trying. And then compounds the lunacy of the sub by the replacement being a defensive player.

It made no sense. Granted, he didn't have much options in midfield, but I wouldn't be bringing on Morgan regardless. I would've just kept Gylfi on even though he was ineffective. He at least has the ability to score from nothing in a flash whereas Morgan can't. I just don't get bringing on a defensive player when we're down. 

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He should have put Walcott on stuck Iwobi more central and thrown caution to the wind and taken Keane off, instead with our last role of the dice he goes negative. 
Is that really worth 6 million a year, because if it is we should all get our applications in for the vacant managers job. 

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3 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Can't be good for Marco. 

Or Farhad is planning to deliver a good old fashioned owner's pep talk, inspiring them to victory on Saturday and everything will be fine and dandy... 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

Don't get me wrong, it was me laughing in utter disbelief. It was bad enough against Norwich swapping Sidibe for Coleman at 1-0 down but that last night was on a whole new level. Sigurdsson and Iwobi had both been absolute shite all game and he subs Davies? Davies who at least was trying. And then compounds the lunacy of the sub by the replacement being a defensive player.

Silva has said that davies has been missing training sessions due to slight injury so that’s the only reason I can see davies going off. 

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1 hour ago, plaidharper said:

He is staying isn't he...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/dec/05/marco-silva-everton-managerial-mystery-watford-hull

This interesting article about his unconventional career suggests he’s off, but then at the very end says: “The real game-changer here would be to keep Silva, to make him settle and work with the players, to stay a while and grow roots for the first time in his elite career.”

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4 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/dec/05/marco-silva-everton-managerial-mystery-watford-hull

This interesting article about his unconventional career suggests he’s off, but then at the very end says: “The real game-changer here would be to keep Silva, to make him settle and work with the players, to stay a while and grow roots for the first time in his elite career.”

And the real twist in that tale would be we get relegated and he gets to do all that work in the Championship! 

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11 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

There will be an announcement tonight (UK time).  You don't parade the board down to Finch Farm and then go silent.

This is Everton mate. Who knows what the fuck is going on. 

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13 hours ago, Btay said:

No issue with Mina this year. Davies isn’t Gana’s replacement and I don’t think he’s going to develop into that player. Delph/Gbabim were meant to be that 

Gomes was the sitter, Gana was supposedly the link. Gomes carried on his normal role and Davies took the other spot. 

11 hours ago, nogs said:

Given how dreadful Keane has been the failure to replace Zouma stands out as the icing on another very poor transfer window. Who was that on? Brands? I just can't get my head round a PL team going into the season with three senior centre backs. More I think about it, more I worry that something is very wrong in how the club is being run. 

We had a ready made replacement for Zouma in Mina. Keane needing upgrading is independent of Zouma leaving. 

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5 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Now that it's done, I wish him well. 

Even though his tactics can be called into question, I don't think you can question his commitment to the team. What pissed me off about Koeman is towards the end he didn't look like he gave a shit, we were shipping goals left, right and centre without looking arsed. Silva always looked as though he was desperate for a win (or a point) but just wasn't getting the run of the green and/or good enough. 

Unfortunately, I don't think his tenure will be remembered in 10-20 years time. Moyes took us from fighting relegation to Europe, Martinez brought that attractive, attacking football and I think at the start Koeman looked really good - I just don't know what identity Marco has brought to the club nor do I think he's really progressed us as hoped, quite the opposite. 

It'll be interesting to see how we respond against Chelsea. As much as I wanted Silva to go I'm filled with anxiety due to not knowing who we'll get next. A bad appointment could put is in an even bigger mess. 

agree with all of this, top post

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Inevitable. Thought there were times last season when things were looking really good under him, but then again we stuffed Guardiola's City 4-0 under Koeman. Hindsight confirms the worries when he arrived - just not of the right pedigree for where we want to be. 

The bigger picture is that is now four managerial sackings in three years since Moshiri took over, and this of all of them reflects the worst on his decision making. He can't afford any more cock ups, the Prem is a brutal league and if we don't get some stability and direction we'll end up in the Championship. 

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Gutted that we've gone through another manager. Not what I wanted to happen 18month ago. I thought we had a well regarded young manager who could help us onto the next phase. A bit of calm and progress was to come. It's all about results though, and at least showing progress. We just ain't done enough of either.

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9 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Duncan in charge on Saturday

 

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1518522/club-statement

 

"aims to confirm a new permanent manager as swiftly as possible"

 

Clearly no sorted yet.

Not sure why they went with Duncan over Unsworth this time around. Seems like kind of a slap in the face to him, but what do I know?

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See ya Marco and enjoy the money mate you’ve done well for yourself. 
If we had an owner that had a clue about what he was doing you wouldn’t have been here, and we may not have been in the shit we are. 
Managers out round 5 coming up, god help us if Moshiri has any input in the next manager. 

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53 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

LOL i would rather Unsy.  Honestly after seeing this if I was Dave i'd be taking a job in League 1 this summer.  Clearly they don't see a future for him.  

I meant the other Mark known as Romey. 😊

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We went about hiring him the wrong way, and sometimes you reap what you sow. I actually agree with the observation that maybe it was his former right-hand man who demonstrated nous and we were left with someone out of his depth. You hate to see anyone fail and lose their job, but there are times when you just have to make the right decision. My hope this time around is that we'll hire his replacement the right way (although I am rather surprised that we appear to be ill-prepared; we've had plenty of time to plan for this).

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Whoever we get in needs a proper over haul of the squad. In hindsight - which is a fantastic thing, we’ve gone into this season with 1 “proven” CB in Micheal Keane and even then he has proven to be wank again, Mina has stepped up and Holgate is still up for debate at this level - ridiculous.

CM injuries have hampered us.

Striker - DCL and Kean can develop, Kean has everything to become world class and I think Marco has tried to protect him as best he could. Tosun needs to go.

lots of work to be done.

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I’m struggling to feel sorry for him, yes he’s just been sacked again, but he’s had a good wage from us, and will get a fantastic severance payout, so he’s OK financially, and look where we are, in bottom 3 confidence shot, the laughing stock of the prem ( bar Watford) . If he had shown some balls and tried different options I’d have a modicum of sympathy, but he just kept trying the same old same old, striker for striker, Schniederlin on when we’re chasing a game, just not good enough.  

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10 hours ago, Btay said:

Whoever we get in needs a proper over haul of the squad. In hindsight - which is a fantastic thing, we’ve gone into this season with 1 “proven” CB in Micheal Keane and even then he has proven to be wank again, Mina has stepped up and Holgate is still up for debate at this level - ridiculous.

CM injuries have hampered us.

Striker - DCL and Kean can develop, Kean has everything to become world class and I think Marco has tried to protect him as best he could. Tosun needs to go.

lots of work to be done.

Exactly this. We have some huge problems with the squad that need to be addressed. I may be wrong but I don't see any manager coming in and making a huge difference until our midfielders are fit again and we have some half decent at the back, of and a striker that can score goals. 

Just look at Arsenal, as the same is happening there albeit they have 2 world class marksmen.

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On 02/02/2020 at 00:08, Isaiah said:

He didn't work out, but for signing Richarlison, Gomes, Digne, Kean and Bernie, I'll still remember him fairly fondly. In comparison with Allardyce (Tosun,  Walcott) and Koeman (Klaassen, Bolasie, Schneiderlin, 70 million pissed away right there ), he spent relatively well and has left us with the best/most promising players we currently have. 

Richarlison aside I don't see why you'd credit him for the signings. And even then Brands already wanted him. Silva prioritised wingers and played Keane over Holgate, and Tosun/Richarlison over DCL. h

Silva is the worst manager of my life time (possibly anyone's). I never thought I'd see worse than Smith yet Silva took the biscuit. 6 first team players and took us from 8th to 8th...only if thing is we got Alladyce over him as he'd have relegated us. Joke of a manager. 

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