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The names mentioned are the types a bit name manager can convince to join him on a project. We can only try. 

I’d love to see us go all out in January. We’ve show intent and ambition with the manager - now back him up in the market because quite frankly he can’t do a whole lot with Keane, Gylfi, Morgan and Tosun sniffing around the first team. 

Kouliably, Piotr Zieliński and Marcel Sabitzer would completely revolutionise us.

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Sabitzer seems to be the random suggestion in your message. He scores about one in four which puts him the same ballpark with DCL. And I'd rather keep DCL.

Napoli is in the playoffs in the CL so I very much doubt they will sell two of their stars in January. And even if they did, Koulibaly in particular would have many other clubs to choose from. Ones that play in the CL every season.

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1 hour ago, Makis said:

Sabitzer seems to be the random suggestion in your message. He scores about one in four which puts him the same ballpark with DCL. And I'd rather keep DCL.

Napoli is in the playoffs in the CL so I very much doubt they will sell two of their stars in January. And even if they did, Koulibaly in particular would have many other clubs to choose from. Ones that play in the CL every season.

Sabitzer is a CM for starters... I actually think between DCL, Richarlison and Kean we are okay unless we can get someone who is an elite goal scorer. All 3 of the aforementioned are developing still.

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1 hour ago, Btay said:

Sabitzer is a CM for starters... I actually think between DCL, Richarlison and Kean we are okay unless we can get someone who is an elite goal scorer. All 3 of the aforementioned are developing still.

Says he has mainly played right wing for Leipzig on transfermarkt. Occasional game at AM. 

Again though, why would a player, Top of the league and in the CL (I think) playing every game come here in our current state? 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

I'm actually at the stage now where I don't know which position we need to strengthen most, bar the keeper. 

I think CB is a must, but I'd like to see some pace in midfield. I think having an athletic, box-to-box CM would make a big difference, especially if we're playing in a 4-4-2, which Anelloti likes to play. 

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42 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

I think CB is a must, but I'd like to see some pace in midfield. I think having an athletic, box-to-box CM would make a big difference, especially if we're playing in a 4-4-2, which Anelloti likes to play. 

I have seen this Ancellotti 442 myth but everything I have read about him suggests that he will play whatever suits his players best. He started off with a Sacchi 442 early in his career and then seems to have returned to it at PSG and Napoli but at AC Milan he played a 4321. At Juve he played 5 at the back, at Chelsea and Real Madrid get played a 433 variation. He could pick from a number of different formations.

What we do know is that we will be dynamic and that he will want to control possession. I don't think we have many dynamic players so that could be a problem!

I think that looking back, the AC Milan tactics could work interestingly here. It would look a bit like this:

Pickford

Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne

Siggy/Davies

??? + ??? 

Richarlison plus one of Iwobi/Bernard

DCL or Kean

The full backs offer the width (a strength of ours), the likes of Richarlison/Iwobi/Bernard play as part 10 and part inside strikers with DCL/Kean as the focal point. 

He converted Pirlo into a DM from an AM to get him on the ball more which is one of the biggest problems with Siggy. It would also cover over his lack of mobility which is going to be a problem until we get Gbamin back. In the long run, this DM role is also somewhere I can see Gomes playing and dictating from with younger legs ahead of him. 

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16 hours ago, Finn balor said:

We need a pacy centre back,a box to box midfielder and a top class forward 

This. It's crucial we get a strong spine to the team. Our defence is creaking with it's lack of pace. Michael Keane is woeful. When your defenders are slow you are forced to drop deep because of the risk of being done on a quick counter. We are dropping deep and then isolating our forwards.

Marco Silva knew that would happen but went ahead with the high risk football anyway knowing full well that we would get slaughtered at the back.

The 4-4-2 is working for us because it allows our defence to stay deep and give us some attacking threat with 2 forwards. Calvert Lewin will battle for every loose ball and Richarlison can play off him. When opponents send their full backs forward they leave themselves exposed to 2v2 situations that they lose on the regular.

With better players we may see the formation change again. Especially when we expect to have the lions share of possession

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With varying degrees of reality...names that could surface:

Played for Ancelotti at PSG/Real/Bayern/Napoli - not playing regularly: Rabiot, Khedira, Douglas Costa, Hysaj

Bought by Ancelotti at PSG/Real/Bayern/Napoli: Verratti, Bale, Illarramendi, Isco, James, Renato Sanches, Sule, Tolisso, Malcuit, Fabian Ruiz, Manolas, Lozano

Players at 'big' clubs not playing a lot: Rugani, Umtiti, Kehrer, Draxler, Eder Militao, Lemar, S Arias, Todibo, Arthur, O Dembele, Dahoud

Napoli: Koulibaly, Zielinski, Milik, Insigne

Upcoming/current free transfers: Eriksen, D Silva, Mertens, Vertonghen, Oscar, Muenier, B Soumare, Matuidi, Kurzawa, Modric, Willian, Gotze

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So is this thread now turned into a wanted list?

Or at this actually rumours we’re hearing about?

Do thread gets m excited, only to open it and be disappointed every time! It’s like watching Everton play!

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On 23/12/2019 at 15:44, Shukes said:

So is this thread now turned into a wanted list?

Or at this actually rumours we’re hearing about?

Do thread gets m excited, only to open it and be disappointed every time! It’s like watching Everton play!

It can’t be that bad! 

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On 23/12/2019 at 10:44, Shukes said:

So is this thread now turned into a wanted list?

Or at this actually rumours we’re hearing about?

Do thread gets m excited, only to open it and be disappointed every time! It’s like watching Everton play!

Not really a wanted list Albany posted. The thread is rumours without a link, ie speculation or hearsay, the list is more a logical musing than anything 

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Now we have got our pie in the sky top manager anyone think it wouldn’t be in the world of improbability we go for bale on loan? He has a house in Wales. He has won everything. We pay him £150k a week. Halve his Madrid wages? The commercial value would be invaluable and he is just the player we need 

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6 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Now we have got our pie in the sky top manager anyone think it wouldn’t be in the world of improbability we go for bale on loan? He has a house in Wales. He has won everything. We pay him £150k a week. Halve his Madrid wages? The commercial value would be invaluable and he is just the player we need 

He’s on more than that, reportedly£600k pre tax. Financially not feasible.......& I don’t think he’d come. It’s not much fun playing golf in the wet and cold. 

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19 minutes ago, barryj said:

He’s on more than that, reportedly£600k pre tax. Financially not feasible.......& I don’t think he’d come. It’s not much fun playing golf in the wet and cold. 

You never know. He’d be coming back to live near family, it’s always a massive draw. 

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That option would want at least a three year contract and wages would probably be around 100kpw. So this 32-year old would cost the club about 15 million in wages alone. And no-one would take a 34-year old off our hands even for free so he would see the contract out. Have we not learned anything from the other players the club doesn't need anymore but who can't be shifted because no-one else is as stupid?

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2 hours ago, Makis said:

That option would want at least a three year contract and wages would probably be around 100kpw. So this 32-year old would cost the club about 15 million in wages alone. And no-one would take a 34-year old off our hands even for free so he would see the contract out. Have we not learned anything from the other players the club doesn't need anymore but who can't be shifted because no-one else is as stupid?

If he contributes to us winning, I couldn’t care less about age or resale value. By your logic we wouldn’t have signed Barry, who was one of our best midfielders in recent memory 

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I hate this resale talk all the time. Football used to be about winning football matches , not just how much profit you can make from a player. 
We’re never going grow by being a selling team.

Buy players to improve the team, not to train them for bigger teams.

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That's still a fact of life unless you are owned by arabs or are called Real Madrid. Our turnover is half of Spurs's and even less against the other top teams. We will not buy better players than them if we just buy players at their prime.

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It’s about a certain player to add to your team/squad. Like people have said it’s not about the re sale value it’s about the value. It’s about watching a class player that gives enjoyment to us as blues and can bring the younger players on. 

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57 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

It’s about a certain player to add to your team/squad. Like people have said it’s not about the re sale value it’s about the value. It’s about watching a class player that gives enjoyment to us as blues and can bring the younger players on. 

We tried that with Walsh & Koeman. We are still paying I don't know how many millions to some of those players.

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If you think about it as a business, you bring him in and he improves the team, the team will finish higher up the league, gaining  more money and improving the reputation of the club ie more shirt sales and maybe bring higher calibre players to us. He'd also rub off on our younger players, which in turn will increase their value.

So his lack of sell on value could be off set by what he would bring to the club in other ways, we could easily make £8.5 million back. I don't include wages as you would have to pay someone else a wage to take his place.

It's not the older players that our holding the club back, it's the players we signed for big money on big wages, who are no where near the first team and we can't move on.

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I would like that player to be at least at the 100kpw level three years from now, not just for the next season. Mertens will be 35 in three years time.

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Are we winning anything this year? Not likely.  So next year he's 33 and we're starting the project again.  Don't see it.  Think Carlo/Brands will go very young, with possible exception of an top rate CM/CF. 

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6 hours ago, Makis said:

I would like that player to be at least at the 100kpw level three years from now, not just for the next season. Mertens will be 35 in three years time.

You are assuming he will only sign a three year contract. If it’s that bad bringing in a 32 year old then no club will offer a contract of that length, therefore he would have to sign a shorter deal. 
 

Barry and Jags both served the club well in their 30s, Baines is doing so now. Nothing wrong with having good experienced pros in the team. 

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4 hours ago, StevO said:

You are assuming he will only sign a three year contract. If it’s that bad bringing in a 32 year old then no club will offer a contract of that length, therefore he would have to sign a shorter deal. 
 

Barry and Jags both served the club well in their 30s, Baines is doing so now. Nothing wrong with having good experienced pros in the team. 

I agree you do need some good old heads in the squad, whether you pay 100k a week and give them a 3 year deal who knows, but you have to bite the bullet at some point and take the gamble or you just stand still and not move on. 

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7 hours ago, StevO said:

You are assuming he will only sign a three year contract. If it’s that bad bringing in a 32 year old then no club will offer a contract of that length, therefore he would have to sign a shorter deal. 
 

Barry and Jags both served the club well in their 30s, Baines is doing so now. Nothing wrong with having good experienced pros in the team. 

Why wouldn't he? Why would he settle for a shorter contract? This will be his last big contract. He wouldn't be moving to Everton to win trophies, that's for sure.

Is he really so good we can't get better and will he really improve the team that much?

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9 hours ago, Makis said:

Why wouldn't he? Why would he settle for a shorter contract? This will be his last big contract. He wouldn't be moving to Everton to win trophies, that's for sure.

Is he really so good we can't get better and will he really improve the team that much?

But if a player that age shouldn’t get a three year deal then no one will give him one. If he is offered them kind of deals then he’s worth it in the market. 
 

Alternatively, he might like the idea of getting a one year contract and moving on for a nice signing on fee every year. 

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3 hours ago, Makis said:

So, Sigurdsson was worth what we paid for him and Schneiderlin is worth 120k pw?

Assume that's tongue in cheek.  Don't think anyone else would've pay what we did.  It was a mad time.

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7 minutes ago, Makis said:

According to StevO they were worth it:

"If he is offered them kind of deals then he’s worth it in the market. "

I’m not commenting on the player at all. I’m commenting on your opinion that he’ll only sign a three year deal. 
 

If there are clubs out there offering him a three year deal then he is worth a three year deal, that’s what the market dictates. If he isnt being offered three year deals then the market dictates he isn’t worth a three year deal. It’s not complicated, it’s how markets work. 

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15 hours ago, Makis said:

So, Sigurdsson was worth what we paid for him and Schneiderlin is worth 120k pw?

When we bought Sigurdsson that was the price. We didn’t have to buy him but if we wanted him that’s what it would cost, the club were happy to pay it. 
 

When we signed Schneiderlin I don’t think anyone would complain what he was on in that first six months. He was a top performer when he came in. That was the same money he was on at United, if we wanted him that was what it cost and the club were happy to pay it. 
 

Both of these situations are very similar, and in both situations the club thought it was acceptable to pay it. 
 

You can buy a Bentley for £100k, a lot of people don’t think it’s worth it. You don’t have to buy it. But if you can afford it and you want it and you see the value, it’s your choice.
You can buy shoes for a tenner or shoes for a grand, if you’re willing to pay it that’s what it’s worth. 
The person selling doesn’t have to change the price, the person buying doesn’t have to buy. 
 

Everything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The same goes for footballers. 
Pogba and Lukaku worth their value? Not in my eyes, but United were happy to pay those prices so that’s the price. 

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7 minutes ago, StevO said:

When we bought Sigurdsson that was the price. We didn’t have to buy him but if we wanted him that’s what it would cost, the club were happy to pay it. 
 

When we signed Schneiderlin I don’t think anyone would complain what he was on in that first six months. He was a top performer when he came in. That was the same money he was on at United, if we wanted him that was what it cost and the club were happy to pay it. 
 

Both of these situations are very similar, and in both situations the club thought it was acceptable to pay it. 
 

You can buy a Bentley for £100k, a lot of people don’t think it’s worth it. You don’t have to buy it. But if you can afford it and you want it and you see the value, it’s your choice.
You can buy shoes for a tenner or shoes for a grand, if you’re willing to pay it that’s what it’s worth. 
The person selling doesn’t have to change the price, the person buying doesn’t have to buy. 
 

Everything is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The same goes for footballers. 
Pogba and Lukaku worth their value? Not in my eyes, but United were happy to pay those prices so that’s the price. 

I don't disagree with any of this. You see it in the housing market with people asking for astronomical sums for their bang average house and wondering why it has been sat on the market for 3 years whilst all the houses around them are being sold for £50,000 less.

I just don't want Everton to be the sucker that is turning up and paying over inflated prices. We might have wanted these players at the time, they might have looked like good value at the time too but I think a little experience might suggest that these issues tend to arise; especially with older players.

Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson are both 30+ now and, as sure as night follows day, their performances are waining and we are questioning the wisdom of recruiting them on such lucrative deals.

I'm not going to second guess our recruitment team but it comes as no surprise to me that this happens and it will always happen when recruiting expensive players who pass the age of 30

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17 minutes ago, StevO said:

I’m not commenting on the player at all. I’m commenting on your opinion that he’ll only sign a three year deal. 
 

If there are clubs out there offering him a three year deal then he is worth a three year deal, that’s what the market dictates. If he isnt being offered three year deals then the market dictates he isn’t worth a three year deal. It’s not complicated, it’s how markets work. 

Well, I don't want Everton to be the idiots who over-inflate prices like that. Rather see us spend the money wisely.

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1 hour ago, Makis said:

Well, I don't want Everton to be the idiots who over-inflate prices like that. Rather see us spend the money wisely.

So do I, but if there is a player we want and the selling team want big money it’s either pay the price or don’t get the player. If they want him enough they’ll pay it. We saw last year they wouldn’t go to Palace’s valuation on Zaha, they wanted him but not that much. 

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Footballer wears football shirt shocker. 
 

Non story, but if we buy another striker it’s no problem. If we are to continue with two upfront then having four is ideal. 

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2 hours ago, StevO said:

Footballer wears football shirt shocker. 
 

Non story, but if we buy another striker it’s no problem. If we are to continue with two upfront then having four is ideal. 

First time in a long time I think we are okay here. Dom and Richie first 2 - both with room to develop and doing a great job. “If” Kean kicks on and becomes what is expected of him then we will have 3 of the best strikers in the league - I don’t want another striker taking up his minutes.

Simms is in the pipe line as well and has obviously got the talent.

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