Haiku Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 I would accept buy back clause only if it's paired with return clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 Juve apparently interested in selling now.. Not sure how much longer Brands can wait on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Btay said: Juve apparently interested in selling now.. Not sure how much longer Brands can wait on this one. Being able to buy outright is preferred, of course, but the buyback option isn't terrible. I imagine we'd make 10-15m to take him on for a year. If he's as advertised it might be hard to keep him more than a couple years anyhow. Better than a straight loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 If he only has a year left he can wait till January and then sign a pre- contract with a foreign club so Juve might not have much leverage to force a buy back clause. With Ramsey, raboit, de light being signed recently for huge wages they need to get some money back in the pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 One Italian newspaper say the want between £23-£27 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Would do that without hesitation Zoo 2.0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Finn balor said: One Italian newspaper say the want between £23-£27 million Would be a good price in this market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 That expression basically summarises my opinion on the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Think he is the best option out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/25/everton-moise-kean-juventus-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig This says €40m with €60m buy-back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/25/everton-moise-kean-juventus-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig This says €40m with €60m buy-back. An expensive gamble that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/25/everton-moise-kean-juventus-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig This says €40m with €60m buy-back. Fine with that as long as buyback is two years from now. Want him focused this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Buyback clause is too low. The market is rapidly inflating -- there's no telling how much will change in two years and he could be worth more than that by market standards. Matt and barryj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 The buy back is too low/deal is lopsided. On those terms we're taking on the risk of him not coming good and Juve getting him on the cheap if he does. Most likely they see him as a player for in 2 years time once Ronaldo will retire. If that's the case I'd ask them to send him to us on a 2 year loan and pay us £20m for helping develop him. That way we have none of the risk and Juve are guaranteed the player is theirs come the time Ronaldo leaves. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 I'd prefer a two-year loan with an option to buy for somewhere around 60MM. Lower than that would be great, but if he becomes anywhere near what his potential supposedly is then that would be a steal. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 A buy back clause might as well be called a go backwards clause because that's all it is. If Juve don't want to play ball and won't sell him outright let him rot behind the countless strikers Juve have. If the player wants first team football he must push a move for himself otherwise we as a club need to move on and sign another option. barryj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 hell no, 35m? this dude had 13 apps in serie A and he's worth that much? no way. still unproven in that league not to mention the premier league. loan to buy with buybacks would be the only way i'd say yes. we could be saddled with another niasse for all we know. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: hell no, 35m? this dude had 13 apps in serie A and he's worth that much? no way. still unproven in that league not to mention the premier league. loan to buy with buybacks would be the only way i'd say yes. we could be saddled with another niasse for all we know. We don’t really have the ability to attract elite, proven strikers at this point. As such, we have to take chances on youth (like Kean) or players who are on the outside looking in at their current club (like Lukaku was). By all accounts this kid is a serious talent so I say trust management to exercise good judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said: We don’t really have the ability to attract elite, proven strikers at this point. As such we have to take chances on youth (like Kean) or players who are on the outside looking in at their current club (like Lukaku was). By all accounts this kid is serious talent so I say trust management to exercise good judgement. he's no different than DCL for me, unproven youth, we already have 1 why go with another? get mandzukic for 2 years for 12m or something and go that route with DCL learning and growing. makes no sense having 2 unproven young strikers vying for your 1st spot. we need a go to sure thing Wiggytop and badaids 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Sibdane said: Buyback clause is too low. The market is rapidly inflating -- there's no telling how much will change in two years and he could be worth more than that by market standards. Exactly - my point all along. I’d agree that If we decide to sell they have first refusal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Sibdane said: Buyback clause is too low. The market is rapidly inflating -- there's no telling how much will change in two years and he could be worth more than that by market standards. In two years, 60m euros will be about 200 million pounds. barryj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: he's no different than DCL for me, unproven youth, we already have 1 why go with another? get mandzukic for 2 years for 12m or something and go that route with DCL learning and growing. makes no sense having 2 unproven young strikers vying for your 1st spot. we need a go to sure thing The problem is who fits that bill? How many sure things are out there who significantly improve on DCL and would be willing to come to a club without European football? For me, we have to accept that the spot we are in necessitates taking a bit of a gamble. We aren't going to get the finished article at this point. We are going to have to focus on getting someone talented but young or a situation like Lukaku's where he was 3rd choice and angling for regular starts. Hopefully over the next 2-3 years we will have European football and a new, world-class stadium under construction. At that point we may be able to attract players who have less question marks around them. Until then I think we just have to trust management to make good decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, SpartyBlue said: We don’t really have the ability to attract elite, proven strikers at this point. As such, we have to take chances on youth (like Kean) or players who are on the outside looking in at their current club (like Lukaku was). By all accounts this kid is a serious talent so I say trust management to exercise good judgement. First sentence; so DCL. So either a massive financial gamble on this lad or develop one of our own. Both are gambles (one much less so than the other). I know which one I’d take. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Matt said: First sentence; so DCL. So either a massive financial gamble on this lad or develop one of our own. Both are gambles (one much less so than the other). I know which one I’d take. Depends which one the management feel has the most scope to be developed. Personally, I know fuck all about this Kean and am hopeful over DCL. It all rests on Brands’ and Silva’s judgement I suppose. pete0 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Matt said: First sentence; so DCL. So either a massive financial gamble on this lad or develop one of our own. Both are gambles (one much less so than the other). I know which one I’d take. I like DCL and think he has a chance to develop into a very good all-around striker but I’m not sure you can equate the two. Kean is mentioned alongside some of the best U-20 talent in the world and he has been linked to some of the biggest clubs there are. It’s about as consensus as it gets around here that we need to bring in a striker and that wouldn’t be the case if everyone was confident DCL could do the job. You’re certainly right that it’s a gamble but I’m my opinion it’s one worth taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said: I like DCL and think he has a chance to develop into a very good all-around striker but I’m not sure you can equate the two. Kean is mentioned alongside some of the best U-20 talent in the world and he has been linked to some of the biggest clubs there are. It’s about as consensus as it gets around here that we need to bring in a striker and that wouldn’t be the case if everyone was confident DCL could do the job. You’re certainly right that it’s a gamble but I’m my opinion it’s one worth taking. DCL has a World/Euro Cup winners medal around that age of competition, scored the winning goal too I think. I don’t care about the training leagues, for that money he has to be miles above DCL, so it remains an expensive gamble. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Ideally we sell Tosun and niasse, get kean or Leao or better for me dembele who we should have got from Fulham and I’d be up for a older player for a season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 I think if DCL broke out for Juve’s first team last year he’d be going for 30 million. He’s growing into the hardest role - sole centre forward, in the hardest league and he’s doing a damn good job. Matt, markjazzbassist and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Btay said: I think if DCL broke out for Juve’s first team last year he’d be going for 30 million. He’s growing into the hardest role - sole centre forward, in the hardest league and he’s doing a damn good job. He's doing an average job. If he was doing a good job we wouldn't be pushing for a starting number 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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