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6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Shukes, he’s massively overrated. He’s massive for Palace, obviously, but for any other side he’s just run of the mill. 

I think he is a hell of a player, and he would be a difference maker.  For us, Arsenal and probably 15 other teams in the PL.  I don't think he is so much overrated, as he is over-priced. Who in the world that could afford to risk 80M on a 26 year old winger/forward that hasn't been a crucial to his club winning a major trophy 4-5 teams? I'd say CP's valuation is fair. If they lose him, they are likely relegation fodder, so he's absolute worth 80M if he is the difference in CP staying up.

If we hadn't gone on the drunken sailor transfer spree pre-Silva/Brands that saw some 150-200M outlay on offensive players to basically only wind up with Siggy....then maybe.  But otherwise 80M for someone not named Mbapee.....I'd really question how Moshiri managed to build his wealth.  Someone said 40-45+ Cenk...that wouldn't be horrible, but that would be the limit. 30-35 + Cenk I would actually consider good business, on paper - unload a backup striker and his wages for a wide player in your starting XI that doubles as a backup striker/cf. 

Bolasie (3 years ago when we got him) might be a fair comparison as far as out and out wingers go - size, pace. tricky...But Zaha bring so much more coming inside, attacking the 18 with a nose for goal - not just putting in crosses.

I'd be chuffed (that's the right word/context?) to get Zaha, but only if his price is commensurate to his value for Everton, not the inflated value he rightly has to Palace.

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Our biggest threat of attack is that left hand side with Digne and Bernard. They have a good relationship on the pitch. 

If Zaha came in he would either have to take Bernard's positions on the left effecting the chemistry of the team, or be played out of position.

I cannot understand why we are trying to sign a player for such a high fee in a position we don't need to strengthen. 

Unless Zaha wishes to play as a striker and we have promised him that position if he signs. 

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4 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

Bernard is much better centrally and it's all about having different options 

If and it's a very big sceptical if we signed Zaha I'd expect our shape to change slightly 

I assume Bernard will replace Gylfi at some point but now is not the time. Plus, as mentioned a few times now, we should not touch that partnership he’s developed with Digne

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3 minutes ago, Matt said:

I assume Bernard will replace Gylfi at some point but now is not the time. Plus, as mentioned a few times now, we should not touch that partnership he’s developed with Digne

Adapt and improve that's the aim of the game, Zaha is a much more rounded winger than Bernard who I really like but his game is more suited inside 

The pace and delivery and so on would be much more effective with Zaha down the flank plus it's not about replacing as said it's about options 

There's no reason why Gylfi and Bernard can't play in the same side or interchange etc 

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17 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

Adapt and improve that's the aim of the game, Zaha is a much more rounded winger than Bernard who I really like but his game is more suited inside 

The pace and delivery and so on would be much more effective with Zaha down the flank plus it's not about replacing as said it's about options 

There's no reason why Gylfi and Bernard can't play in the same side or interchange etc 

I get what you mean, and mostly agree. But Zaha isn’t anywhere near as good as people think. He is very important to Palace, but because they’re a poor team. Andy Johnson was really important to them too, but when he came here his form didn’t continue. 

A big fish in a small pond is a small fish in a big pond. Zaha already tried the big pond and it completely backfired, then went back to his little pond where he’s done well. 

I don’t mean to disrespect Palace, but there’s a big gap between our club and theirs. 

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1 minute ago, Matt said:

I get what you mean, and mostly agree. But Zaha isn’t anywhere near as good as people think. He is very important to Palace, but because they’re a poor team. Andy Johnson was really important to them too, but when he came here his form didn’t continue. 

A big fish in a small pond is a small fish in a big pond. Zaha already tried the big pond and it completely backfired, then went back to his little pond where he’s done well. 

I don’t mean to disrespect Palace, but there’s a big gap between our club and theirs. 

No I fully get that logic we've seen it countless times the big fish small pond scenario in this league

I do really rate him but he's not a £70/80m player tbh it's fucking madness the prices that are quoted 

Then again we paid £50m for Gylfi so I'd be happy if the club stumped a similar amount as I do think he'll add goals and openings for others 

I can't see it happening either way to be honest as usual I think we're just being used as papertalk leverage

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1 minute ago, Finn balor said:

Player offered to them aswell according to sky. The less cash they get the less they have to give to united I guess? McCarthy? Tosun? 

BBC gossip said £60m plus Tosun

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Wernt they in for macca? And they need a striker. Don't see swap deals that often but it would make sense for macca and Tosun to be involved in the deal if they're interested in the two. £60m plus Tosun and macca seems fair. 

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53 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said:

Adapt and improve that's the aim of the game, Zaha is a much more rounded winger than Bernard who I really like but his game is more suited inside 

The pace and delivery and so on would be much more effective with Zaha down the flank plus it's not about replacing as said it's about options 

There's no reason why Gylfi and Bernard can't play in the same side or interchange etc 

Bernard wouldn't give you the goals Gylfi does goals is Bernards downfall.

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

I get what you mean, and mostly agree. But Zaha isn’t anywhere near as good as people think. He is very important to Palace, but because they’re a poor team. Andy Johnson was really important to them too, but when he came here his form didn’t continue. 

A big fish in a small pond is a small fish in a big pond. Zaha already tried the big pond and it completely backfired, then went back to his little pond where he’s done well. 

I don’t mean to disrespect Palace, but there’s a big gap between our club and theirs. 

So basically what you are saying is that if this rumour is really true, Brands, Silva and the rest of the scouting team are worse at judging players than you?

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1 hour ago, patto said:

Bernard wouldn't give you the goals Gylfi does goals is Bernards downfall.

He wouldn't but he could potentially offer more creativity and with a decent striker it would hopefully balance out

I'm a big fan of Gylfi but when he's off the ball he's relatively anonymous 

Would like to see them interchanged or used together in some way 

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30 minutes ago, Makis said:

So basically what you are saying is that if this rumour is really true, Brands, Silva and the rest of the scouting team are worse at judging players than you?

Er, no. I’m saying I don’t rate him and I’m just giving an opinion 🤷‍♂️

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11 hours ago, Ghoat said:

I think he is a hell of a player, and he would be a difference maker.  For us, Arsenal and probably 15 other teams in the PL.  I don't think he is so much overrated, as he is over-priced. Who in the world that could afford to risk 80M on a 26 year old winger/forward that hasn't been a crucial to his club winning a major trophy 4-5 teams? I'd say CP's valuation is fair. If they lose him, they are likely relegation fodder, so he's absolute worth 80M if he is the difference in CP staying up.

If we hadn't gone on the drunken sailor transfer spree pre-Silva/Brands that saw some 150-200M outlay on offensive players to basically only wind up with Siggy....then maybe.  But otherwise 80M for someone not named Mbapee.....I'd really question how Moshiri managed to build his wealth.  Someone said 40-45+ Cenk...that wouldn't be horrible, but that would be the limit. 30-35 + Cenk I would actually consider good business, on paper - unload a backup striker and his wages for a wide player in your starting XI that doubles as a backup striker/cf. 

Bolasie (3 years ago when we got him) might be a fair comparison as far as out and out wingers go - size, pace. tricky...But Zaha bring so much more coming inside, attacking the 18 with a nose for goal - not just putting in crosses.

I'd be chuffed (that's the right word/context?) to get Zaha, but only if his price is commensurate to his value for Everton, not the inflated value he rightly has to Palace.

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4 hours ago, Aidan said:

Our biggest threat of attack is that left hand side with Digne and Bernard. They have a good relationship on the pitch. 

If Zaha came in he would either have to take Bernard's positions on the left effecting the chemistry of the team, or be played out of position.

I cannot understand why we are trying to sign a player for such a high fee in a position we don't need to strengthen. 

Unless Zaha wishes to play as a striker and we have promised him that position if he signs. 

... but also this.

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No point debating him looks like Chelsea will get him, they are allowed to sign players just not register them to play, apparently they are going to offer €80m or €50m and Batshuyi who Palace want to sign once Zaha has gone. And he stays there this season. 

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42 minutes ago, Palfy said:

No point debating him looks like Chelsea will get him, they are allowed to sign players just not register them to play, apparently they are going to offer €80m or €50m and Batshuyi who Palace want to sign once Zaha has gone. And he stays there this season. 

I hope that’s the case. 

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2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I hope that’s the case. 

😂 I think it is mate and that will probably suit both players and both clubs involved, so you can rest easy Rom I don’t think he will becoming to us. 

And the way things are going neither will anyone else 😀

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45 minutes ago, Ghoat said:

If Zaha wants CL football, he would be wise to hold of until January and see where Chelsea are sitting.

He was quoted as saying he wanted a top 6 club to guarantee he would be playing some form of European football, so I don’t know how Silva thought he could convince him to come here we haven’t got European football next season, unless of course we are planning a mid season training camp in Spain,that might of sold it to him ?

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3 minutes ago, Palfy said:

He was quoted as saying he wanted a top 6 club to guarantee he would be playing some form of European football, so I don’t know how Silva thought he could convince him to come here we haven’t got European football next season, unless of course we are planning a mid season training camp in Spain,that might of sold it to him ?

Well he's African by birth, so playing at Goodison would technically mean he is playing European football. And we have a squad full of Europeans to boot.

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Hoping this interest is some sort of Brands negotiation tactic/misdirection.  Get other clubs occupied and spending on Zaha, away from our real targets (Malcom, Reinier etc.).  Get Palace interested in our players, after they sell Zaha elsewhere as well.

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Fuck it, let’s just get him. We have loads of money now, let’s blow some more!

in seriousness, I don’t think he’s an £80m player, but he is exciting to watch. He’s the player Bolasie could have been. 

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45 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I think this is going to happen, Arsenal have agreed £72m fee for Pepe so no way are they getting Zaha as well

We've still got the Chelsea scenario to play out yet my money is him signing for Chelsea and staying on loan at Palace for a year, if it is true that they can buy players but not register them to play.

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He has said he wants to stay in London, I think we could get 2 very good players for that sort of money, although I do rate him and I also like Bentleys but I don't think there worth the money either.

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32 minutes ago, Palfy said:

We've still got the Chelsea scenario to play out yet my money is him signing for Chelsea and staying on loan at Palace for a year, if it is true that they can buy players but not register them to play.

Big risk for Chelsea to take at that price.

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Neres is 21 and the world at his feet. Played amazingly in the champions league against premiership sides. Zaha big fish in a small pond and for me hasn’t proven anything in the premier league. He is inconsistent so for me Neres all the way

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9 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Neres is 21 and the world at his feet. Played amazingly in the champions league against premiership sides. Zaha big fish in a small pond and for me hasn’t proven anything in the premier league. He is inconsistent so for me Neres all the way 

Surly neres hasnt proven anything and zaha has?!

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Depends on your outlook I suppose? Helped Ajax get to the champions league and had an unreal season with them. I don’t think the premiership is the be all and end all of football. Zaha went to united and did nothing. He plays for a lower half team and stands out when he is in the mood. When he’s not the just whines at the ref because he thinks he is above getting tackled.

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2 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Depends on your outlook I suppose? Helped Ajax get to the champions league and had an unreal season with them. I don’t think the premiership is the be all and end all of football. Zaha went to united and did nothing. He plays for a lower half team and stands out when he is in the mood. When he’s not the just whines at the ref because he thinks he is above getting tackled.

He was young and didnt settle. Palace would be relegated without him. He has performed against big and small sides too. Everytime I have watched him he has performed albeit I dont watch Palace often so I could just be lucky.

He is now a far better player than he was at Utd. I cant say anything about Neres but the Dutch league is crap. If Klaassen can score that many then any attacking player should be treated with caution. Tosun also scored in the CL and that doesnt mean he can hack it week in week out. Thats the difference here compared to abroad. Morata looked a world beater but he was soft and couldn't deal with it.

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2 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Depends on your outlook I suppose? Helped Ajax get to the champions league and had an unreal season with them. I don’t think the premiership is the be all and end all of football. Zaha went to united and did nothing. He plays for a lower half team and stands out when he is in the mood. When he’s not the just whines at the ref because he thinks he is above getting tackled.

He was 20 at the time and made just 4 appearances. Not sure you can gauge much from this. Also Fergies last signing. 

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4 hours ago, StevO said:

Fuck it, let’s just get him. We have loads of money now, let’s blow some more!

in seriousness, I don’t think he’s an £80m player, but he is exciting to watch. He’s the player Bolasie could have been. 

He’s the player that will be Bolasie

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7 minutes ago, Aidan said:

In his 2 games for United at 20 years old?

He was young but he also didn’t do enough to show that he’s anything better than a Palace player 

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1 minute ago, pete0 said:

David Moyes barely trusted a kid in his 10 years here, no way was he gonna bring Zaha through especially in his first year at United. Barely managed any wingers in his decade here either, probably wouldn't know how to use him. 

That said Zaha wasn't the player he is now, he's come on leaps and bounds. 

Good points Pete. 

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49 minutes ago, Matt said:

He was young but he also didn’t do enough to show that he’s anything better than a Palace player 

An article from last year:

Crystal Palace winger Wilfried Zaha has opened up on his time at Manchester United, admitting the move to Old Trafford came too soon for him.The Englishman joined United from Palace in 2013 after impressing at Selhurst Park, but went on to make just four senior appearances before returning 18 months later.

And Zaha feels he simply didn't have the right mentality to make the step-up required at that stage of his career.'Me going to a big club when I was like 19 or 20, I didn't know what to expect, how to behave, whatever,' the 25-year-old told sky sports.

'I was just a youngster who wanted to do tricks, I didn't even care about end product really. 'Now I take things a lot more seriously - the gym aspect, recovery after games, my decision-making. I've learnt a lot in terms of my all-round game.'I'm totally different now. I'm definitely more mature and more strong-minded. I had to be mentally strong after what I went through at Manchester United. I think in football, most of it is just mental. Once you've got that sorted, then you're good.' 

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My initial gut instinct on this was that we were being used as a name by either, or both, Palace and/or Zaha to force Arsenals hand, the club Zaha seems keen to join. I still have that niggle.

However, the scene has changed a bit with Arsenal agreeing a huge £72mill fee for Pepe. Arsenal will no way spend much more on another player. Unless they're also playing a clever game.

To be honest, I like Zaha. He'd be welcomed by me and add another dimension. But the price seems crazy...and then I think we say the same every pre season as the prices continue to sky rocket in the cash rich Premier League. Palace don't need to sell. They don't want to sell. In such a situation, any buying club will have to pay over the odds.

I'm not going to judge him on his time at United, the bloke was a kid moving to a new city etc, and to agree with PeteO comments above.............................................................................................................................................................................................................sorry about that, I fainted for 10 minutes after agreeing with PeteO, misus has just had to frontal fart on my face to bring me round....he was managed by Moyes who I doubt would have played a young Messi or Ronaldo and played Dixie Dean on the wing.

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

David Moyes barely trusted a kid in his 10 years here, no way was he gonna bring Zaha through especially in his first year at United. Barely managed any wingers in his decade here either, probably wouldn't know how to use him. 

That said Zaha wasn't the player he is now, he's come on leaps and bounds. 

Great points Pete, Moyes for all his many good points couldn't manage flair players and never trusted them.

Having watched Zaha throughout his career one thing he has is flair, I agree that he has developed so much in the last 3 or so years.

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