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1 hour ago, Aidan said:

Its a strange one. Surly the club has some idea of whether or not Zaha would want to join.

They will have known, and he will have been interested or it won’t have gone that far. 

I think deadline day deal now. 

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4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

How so?

Starting to think this was just the West Ham trick of putting a bid in for someone we had no chance of signing.

we put in one bid, palace or agent might have leaked that fake one to try and get it over the line pressuring us, we release a statement denying it and saying "we made a bid they rejected, THAT IS THE END OF IT", it's our way of saying if you want to sell we gave you our price, we aren't going higher.  

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6 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

we put in one bid, palace or agent might have leaked that fake one to try and get it over the line pressuring us, we release a statement denying it and saying "we made a bid they rejected, THAT IS THE END OF IT", it's our way of saying if you want to sell we gave you our price, we aren't going higher.  

Zaha would be nice but a winger is a bit of a bonus signing for us, in my opinion, and so I don't mind taking a shot and being done if its rejected. What it does tell us though is that by confirming a club record bid Everton is willing to spend well beyond our ability to sell.

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16 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

we put in one bid, palace or agent might have leaked that fake one to try and get it over the line pressuring us, we release a statement denying it and saying "we made a bid they rejected, THAT IS THE END OF IT", it's our way of saying if you want to sell we gave you our price, we aren't going higher.  

They don’t want to sell, they’ll be happy if we don’t bid again. 

We've said we haven’t bid again because we haven’t bid again. 

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6 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Or we just don't want it out there that we're offering the players as part of the deal unless/until it's done.  Especially if we hadn't previously secured agreement from Tosun/McCarthy, would be an awkward conversation.

That was the first thing I thought when I saw it. 

Didn’t something similar happen with McCarthy a few years back? Moshiri then getting on the radio saying how much we love him?

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3 minutes ago, StevO said:

That was the first thing I thought when I saw it. 

Didn’t something similar happen with McCarthy a few years back? Moshiri then getting on the radio saying how much we love him?

Yeah when we tried to sign sissoko and he went to spurs

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I don’t think we were ever truly serious with this- a half arsed attempt to buy him to fliush our first choice targets to the negotiating table. Why offer 25 under their asking price then not go in again with another bid- even a player plus cash or a payment structure. The statement read we offered it was a no we both decided that was the end if the matter.

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20 hours ago, Paddock said:

I don’t think we were ever truly serious with this- a half arsed attempt to buy him to fliush our first choice targets to the negotiating table. Why offer 25 under their asking price then not go in again with another bid- even a player plus cash or a payment structure. The statement read we offered it was a no we both decided that was the end if the matter.

If what the club has said is true, ie: we made one bid, cash only, then I see that as set up for a deadline day approach.  We want to set their expectations and make it firm.  If we got back right away with another bid then they know they have us on the line.  If we put it one, then appear to walk, we retain more control.  They end up "stuck" with a player who wants to move, the player knows there's a possible out.

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50 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

If what the club has said is true, ie: we made one bid, cash only, then I see that as set up for a deadline day approach.  We want to set their expectations and make it firm.  If we got back right away with another bid then they know they have us on the line.  If we put it one, then appear to walk, we retain more control.  They end up "stuck" with a player who wants to move, the player knows there's a possible out.

I agree. If the player wants the move then Palace have a decision to make. Accept our reasonable offer or keep him at the club unhappily for at least 6 months. 

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16 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I agree. If the player wants the move then Palace have a decision to make. Accept our reasonable offer or keep him at the club unhappily for at least 6 months. 

especially if they are in the relegation scrap which is totally possible

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3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

especially if they are in the relegation scrap which is totally possible

I'm sure this is a major factor for their management. Zaha will be seen as vital to their staying up (Like Siggy w/ Swansea) so they can justify putting a crazy price on him. He's not worth that much probably but no amount of money they receive will make up for them getting relegated so their valuation is understandable.

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1 minute ago, SpartyBlue said:

I'm sure this is a major factor for their management. Zaha will be seen as vital to their staying up (Like Siggy w/ Swansea) so they can justify putting a crazy price on him. He's not worth that much probably but no amount of money they receive will make up for them getting relegated so their valuation is understandable.

sorry i meant to clarify, if they are in a relegation scrap come january we could get him for cheaper, they could see the writing on the wall and want to get max value while still in the prem (once relegated everyone will know they have to sell and it's a lower price).  might be worth lodging that one bid and seeing how january looks.  

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

sorry i meant to clarify, if they are in a relegation scrap come january we could get him for cheaper, they could see the writing on the wall and want to get max value while still in the prem (once relegated everyone will know they have to sell and it's a lower price).  might be worth lodging that one bid and seeing how january looks.  

For sure, although in that case the vultures might be circling and we could face a lot of competition. You're right that launching a reasonable bid is worth it. Even if that bid has little hope of succeeding it at least informs the player and his agent that we have interest and that can put us ahead of the pack later. We should never underestimate the value of making a player feel wanted. 

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45 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

For sure, although in that case the vultures might be circling and we could face a lot of competition. You're right that launching a reasonable bid is worth it. Even if that bid has little hope of succeeding it at least informs the player and his agent that we have interest and that can put us ahead of the pack later. We should never underestimate the value of making a player feel wanted. 

What vultures? Arsenal put a bid in so did we. Can’t see anyone else? I’m sure Zaha wants a cuddle and wants to feel wanted and a crap offer will surely make him know that. He ain’t coming. No chance 

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11 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

What vultures? Arsenal put a bid in so did we. Can’t see anyone else? I’m sure Zaha wants a cuddle and wants to feel wanted and a crap offer will surely make him know that. He ain’t coming. No chance 

I don’t think players think twice about how big or small the offer is. They will all know the buying club want to pay as little as possible anyway. 

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53 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

What vultures? Arsenal put a bid in so did we. Can’t see anyone else? I’m sure Zaha wants a cuddle and wants to feel wanted and a crap offer will surely make him know that. He ain’t coming. No chance 

So he was speaking about a hypothetical where Palace is destined for relegation come the January window and they’ve been forced to significantly lower their Zaha price. In that circumstance I expect he’d become attractive to more clubs and we wouldn’t just be competing against ourselves.

You think 52m is a crap offer? Really? He would become our club record signing for that price. There is a reason other clubs aren’t in for Zaha though.Palace values him significantly more than everyone else because he’s vital to their ability to stay up. Just because we haven’t met their valuation doesn’t mean our offer is poor. 

I do think players care that a club shows interest. We’ve just offered more for Zaha than any club ever has. He’s not likely to forget that. You often see that after players are signed they site the interest and appreciation they received from their new club as a factor.

 

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I’m sure they see the gesture of a bid and wanting to buy them as being lovely. I just don’t think Zaha would be sat at home moaning that we offered £52m rather than £72m. 

If I was the player I’d want my new club to still have some money to invest in more players, or in my wages. 

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19 minutes ago, StevO said:

I’m sure they see the gesture of a bid and wanting to buy them as being lovely. I just don’t think Zaha would be sat at home moaning that we offered £52m rather than £72m. 

If I was the player I’d want my new club to still have some money to invest in more players, or in my wages. 

not to mention as a player i'd rather play alongside gylfi gomes richarlison bernard than the tom dick and harry attackers palace have.  it would be more fun. who knows though, maybe he likes being the big fish in a small pond, some guys love that ego trip

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2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

not to mention as a player i'd rather play alongside gylfi gomes richarlison bernard than the tom dick and harry attackers palace have.  it would be more fun. who knows though, maybe he likes being the big fish in a small pond, some guys love that ego trip

We may be the perfect club for him, he didn't have a great time at UTD, and he is not able to play to his potential at Palace, we could be the perfect choice. Able to play at a higher level and challenge top 6 for a cup without the naval gazing of being at a UTD.

I doubt Palace will let him go on deadline day, or with less than a week to go, as they will need to replace him and that will take time.

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Just now, London Blue said:

We may be the perfect club for him, he didn't have a great time at UTD, and he is not able to play to his potential at Palace, we could be the perfect choice. Able to play at a higher level and challenge top 6 for a cup without the naval gazing of being at a UTD.

I doubt Palace will let him go on deadline day, or with less than a week to go, as they will need to replace him and that will take time.

If a player was included that would help. Also money talks so if they think it makes financial sense then they’ll do it. Who knows it might already be nearly done but palace want a replacement before they sell and get ripped off by other clubs knowing they’ve had a windfall on Zaha. 

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1 minute ago, barryj said:

If a player was included that would help. Also money talks so if they think it makes financial sense then they’ll do it. Who knows it might already be nearly done but palace want a replacement before they sell and get ripped off by other clubs knowing they’ve had a windfall on Zaha. 

Zaha is the main reason Palace stayed up, if we gave the Bolasie and McCarthy they would still need to replace Zaha's goals.

As you say, time will tell.

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3 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Zaha is the main reason Palace stayed up, if we gave the Bolasie and McCarthy they would still need to replace Zaha's goals.

As you say, time will tell.

Yeah for this reason I don’t think they have any intention of selling this window. Their fans would be livid. I think they just throw out a crazy number so they can pretend they are not blocking a player who would prefer to move.

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After selling Lookman we need another winger. We have Theo, Richarlison, Bernard, and I guess Mirallas. We're lacking in depth now. We're going to have a major dilemma at that position, unless Silva thinks Broadhead can step up.

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

Why? There’s no way we would get him. He’s not worth the money. I remember when we bought kanchelskis. That was a signing 

Who we only got because of his own circumstances, otherwise he’d never have come to us. Strange things happen in football.

Gylfi wasn’t worth £50m, but if they want him enough???

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€60m is about £53m, which is similar to what we offered. He would come to us rather than Napoli if they sold, probably higher wages here than Napoli.  I dont think this is finished yet.

 

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He’s a good player but Palace don’t want or need to sell, so we’d have to pay ridiculous money,  plus Zaha isn’t agitating for a move from a club where he is the kingpin and is obviously comfortable. 

If we was to move he could go to a number of clubs with European football (like spurs), would also be in for him the only reason for him to come here would be money.

All of that adds up to risk, so we shouldn’t touch with a barge pole. He’d come for mega £££ never justify his fee and then go back to Palace 1 or 2 years later for a fraction of the cost.

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Oh yee of little faith, he has said he wants to leave, Arsenal being his 1st choice but that fell through.

He wasn't averse to moving North when he knew we were interested but the clubs couldn't agree a fee and said that was the end of it.  I dont think it is.

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I remember us choking on how much we were paying for Richarlison. And media going mad about it being too much. And fans of other clubs. Didn't work out too bad?

Plus Richarlison has a tendency to moan and go down a bit easy...bit different when he's doing it for your team. It serves a purpose then!!!

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1 hour ago, DownUnderToff said:

It never serves a purpose and is always a blight on the game.  Players should be, rightly, heckled and punished for doing so, the soft-ass primadonnas...

I do feel Zaha has recently been given the rough end of the stick with referees as he’s continually getting getting hacked at and doesn’t get any protection. Saying that it’s probably by his own making from his theatrical displays in the past. 

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10 goals last season, 5 assists. that's 15 goals he's been involved in for a proper shite team in Palace. Think of what he would get in a half decent team. You're fooling yourself if you don't think he is worth around £60m in todays market.

As for us saying "we wont be bidding again" I'm sure a certain cult said the same about a player who now plays for them...

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3 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Is he back training with palace yet? I think he might stay there till January 

I would think at this point the only chance of him leaving is if he hands in a transfer request. Given his relationship there, that seems unlikely.

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19 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Theoretically if McGuire is worth £80 mill is Zaha worth the same? He’s the same age and attackers normally go for more money. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think either are worth it but makes you wonder 

He’s a good guy to bring up because, similarly to Palace, LC have put a “don’t want to sell” price on McGuire. There is a difference between true market value and what value a player has to a particular club. A smaller example would be someone like Baines. He’s worth considerably more to Everton than he would go for on the market.

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Still makes me mad that moyes put an offer of £30 mill for felliani and baines when fellainis buy out was £26 mill or something like that. And then he said we should sell him and he would let him go if he was still at Everton 🥴

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48 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

He’s a good guy to bring up because, similarly to Palace, LC have put a “don’t want to sell” price on McGuire. There is a difference between true market value and what value a player has to a particular club. A smaller example would be someone like Baines. He’s worth considerably more to Everton than he would go for on the market.

Unless it’s Gana! 

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5 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

It never serves a purpose and is always a blight on the game.  Players should be, rightly, heckled and punished for doing so, the soft-ass primadonnas...

Yep. Absolutely agree.

Point I'm trying to make is that we rant about these things, but generally...generally...only generally guys, read in context...when said player is doing the business for your club, it's not quite so bad. Diego Costa. Arsehole. Bang in 20 - 30 goals for your club. Hmmmm. Zlatan Ibrahimovic. Arsehole. Bang in 20 - 30 goals for your club. Hmmm.

'Serves a purpose...' was wrong phase to use. But, most...not all, most...find a bit more forgiveness when said player is doing the business for your club. If they're shit, well, unforgivable full stop. Football fans, isn't it?!

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1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said:

I would think at this point the only chance of him leaving is if he hands in a transfer request. Given his relationship there, that seems unlikely.

If he has told them he wants to leave, which he has, a transfer request would do them a massive favour as he will lose his loyalty bonus (normally 10% of the transfer fee).

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7 hours ago, aaron said:

10 goals last season, 5 assists. that's 15 goals he's been involved in for a proper shite team in Palace. Think of what he would get in a half decent team. You're fooling yourself if you don't think he is worth around £60m in todays market.

As for us saying "we wont be bidding again" I'm sure a certain cult said the same about a player who now plays for them...

I think he was injured for chunks of last season too!

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10 minutes ago, Paddock said:

 I’ll be itterly amazed if they sell him deadline day- their fans would riot.

I hope we do, I just don’t like Palace. I want them to be upset. 

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8 hours ago, Paddock said:

They wont sell their best player deadline day- it’s suicide and almost certain relegation. No amount of money will compensate them risking that- none.

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