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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

Depends how much up front and how much in add ons based on us qualifying for euro and champions league, goals and assists etc. 

No payment structure would ever make the deal worth it. He’d have to be a Ronaldo for us and I just don’t think he’s got it in him. 

I know I’ve been hard on him, and if he comes he’ll get my full backing, but all my internal alarm bells are ringing that this is Bolaise mk2

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

Second sources are saying £100m now.... for all you that want him here, do you want him that much?

Do I want him? Yes.

Do I think he's worth that much? No.

Am I paying the money? No.

Must I emotionally detach myself from the monies bring paid these days and just look solely at what the player can add to the starting 11? Yes.

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1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

Do I want him? Yes.

Do I think he's worth that much? No.

Am I paying the money? No.

Must I emotionally detach myself from the monies bring paid these days and just look solely at what the player can add to the starting 11? Yes.

See, I don’t get what he will bring that we don’t already have. But, since I’ve not watched him week in and out, going only on highlights or when he’s played against us, I’ll hold on passing a final judgement and look forward to being very wrong

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11 minutes ago, Matt said:

See, I don’t get what he will bring that we don’t already have. But, since I’ve not watched him week in and out, going only on highlights or when he’s played against us, I’ll hold on passing a final judgement and look forward to being very wrong

Yeah, same with me except I like what I have seen. But I've not always been a great judge and I don't watch any where near as much footy as I used to, even highlights, at least last season anyway, so I'm having to trust the powers that be. My knowledge is slowly minimising!!!

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Just now, Newty82 said:

Yeah, same with me except I like what I have seen. But I've not always been a great judge and I don't watch any where near as much footy as I used to, even highlights, at least last season anyway, so I'm having to trust the powers that be. My knowledge is slowly minimising!!!

I prefer to think of it as becoming more specialised ;) 

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Worry at that price is if he comes and doesn't settle in the North again we'd take a  massive hit if he wants to move back to London. 

As a player I think he'd take us up a step but there's too much risk at £80+m. 

 

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3 hours ago, Matt said:

Second sources are saying £100m now.... for all you that want him here, do you want him that much?

I want him here, but the only way I’d consider £100m to be worth while was if Cenk Tosun was £25m of that and McCarthy £10m, plus £65m cash. 

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13 minutes ago, StevO said:

I want him here, but the only way I’d consider £100m to be worth while was if Cenk Tosun was £25m of that and McCarthy £10m, plus £65m cash. 

It’s just stupid money for an average player. That’s what’s blinding me here. I’ve said before something like £30-40m would be my limit considering the market, but even that makes me uncomfortable. Just feels like we’re being outplayed again by Palace 

10 minutes ago, StevO said:

If it’s £100m cash I’d rather offer Real Madrid £70m for Bale and give him a massive signing on fee. I know there is no resale value, but he would be huge. 

Real want rid, so I think we could get him cheaper but agree with the rest 

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22 minutes ago, StevO said:

If it’s £100m cash I’d rather offer Real Madrid £70m for Bale and give him a massive signing on fee. I know there is no resale value, but he would be huge. 

£600k a week, he wont drop that wage. He's injury prone. This is why only Chinese clubs was coming in for him and no other big European team.

Zaha is easily one of the best players outside the top 6, I don't get why people wouldn't want a very good player who is an upgrade on our squad. A player who wants to join us, even when we don't have European football to offer (which will be putting off the cheaper alternatives on the continent). He's proven in this league, scores goals and wins a lot of freekicks / pens.

Prices of footballers have changed, £85m buys you poundland Michael Keane these days so £70m for Zaha isn't "that" bad of a price.

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28 minutes ago, Matt said:

It’s just stupid money for an average player. That’s what’s blinding me here. I’ve said before something like £30-40m would be my limit considering the market, but even that makes me uncomfortable. Just feels like we’re being outplayed again by Palace 

I think if they hadn’t sold Bassaka they wouldn’t want so much for him. Now they’ve got cash in the bank they can push it as they don’t need the money. 

I think he will be great for us if we can get him in though. 

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4 minutes ago, DownUnderToff said:

Either way, looks like he won't be playing against us on the weekend

Time to throw a big bid at Neves or someone from wolves?

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14 minutes ago, Bailey said:

As others have said I think it's time to move on from Zaha at those prices. We went down this road with Siggy and we shouldn't be doing it again.

True. And Richarlison aswell.

Both turned out well, I think.

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Тhe point is, if Zaha is really that good, I don't have opinion as I rarely watch Palace, and they want 60-70 mil for him, we better get him. In two seasons that will be a standard price for any above average premier league forward. As long as he lives up to our expectations, that will be a good deal.

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26 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Тhe point is, if Zaha is really that good, I don't have opinion as I rarely watch Palace, and they want 60-70 mil for him, we better get him. In two seasons that will be a standard price for any above average premier league forward. As long as he lives up to our expectations, that will be a good deal.

I can never decide how the Premier League compares to American sports in terms of compensation. Salaries are significantly lower in most cases. For instance in baseball a decent pitcher is gonna be $10m-$15m and that can rise to over $30m for the top guys. Basketball is similarly absurd where avg starters command $100m contracts. That being said we don’t have transfer fees which is obviously where a lot of the funds go in football.

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Yep. SSN reporting that Palace have said their business is done. Zaha will not be leaving.

A line SSN use, which may be their own, most probably is, is '...will not be joining Everton in this window'.

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5 minutes ago, Bill said:

Staying at Palace, thank god.

For the prices quoted I’d prob rather take a shot on 23 year old Iwobi who is talented and may develop further and use that extra money in the future. Will be interesting to see if that move happens or we just stand pat until the next window. Winger seemed like a slight luxury position for us so I’m not too concerned if we don’t bring one in. 

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I’d have loved him here but the prices quoted were ridiculous... it’s not my money to worry about but still. If there was a deal to be done including Tosun and Bolasie then I wouldn’t have minded it being dressed up as ‘worth £80m’ or whatever but Palace clearly wanted silly amounts and fair play to them - he’s got a contract there and is worth far more to them than any other team. Palace fans must see this as priceless as, without Zaha, they’d be pretty toothless in attack.

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I'm pleased that we haven't signed Zaha, for all that he could have arguably strengthened us the prices quoted were absolutely insane and even at the initial £40-50m mark I thought we were being a bit naive. When you consider Hirving Lozano, one of the hottest properties in Europe was signed by Brands at PSV for just £7.2 million you have to sit back and think about the value for money in these deals. 

Clubs from "B" tier leagues survive on buying cheap products from the likes of South America and selling them on for massive profit. An example is Eder Militao at FC Porto, signed for £3 million last summer and shipped off to Real Madrid last month for just over £50(m). The English league is mocked throughout the continent for its love affair with spunking money up the wall and it's hard to argue against it when you've got Harry Maguire and Wilfried Zaha touted at £80m players - just because they are proven in the Premier League. 

We should be looking at players from the continent who could do the same job (or better) for a fraction of the price. David Neres was my dream transfer from the start but he's just signed an extension with Ajax, although there will be others like him. 

As much as Palace were doomed without Wan-Bissaka and Zaha it'll be interesting to see how the latter reacts as it's been confirmed already that he's seriously fallen out with the board. If he throws a tantrum all season and fails to deliver, I expect them to be battling relegation big time. Hope he boycotts the game on Saturday too! 

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The fact that he has supposedly thrown a tantrum speaks volumes about his character if true and if he doesn’t knuckle down. If that’s the case, all the more reason to be grateful we’ve not panicked and spent stupid money. 

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2 minutes ago, Matt said:

The fact that he has supposedly thrown a tantrum speaks volumes about his character if true and if he doesn’t knuckle down. If that’s the case, all the more reason to be grateful we’ve not panicked and spent stupid money. 

I don't put too much stock into reports like this as we don't know what went on behind the scenes. Perhaps he was promised that they would accept any reasonable offer and then management didn't follow through. It will be interesting to see if we go back in for him in January.

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5 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

I don't put too much stock into reports like this as we don't know what went on behind the scenes. Perhaps he was promised that they would accept any reasonable offer and then management didn't follow through. It will be interesting to see if we go back in for him in January.

It was Hodgson himself who says:

"We are looking forward to him doing this season, what he's done for the last two seasons. Everyone here has a good relationship with him. There's not a problem with that.

"His beef is with the chairman and owners of the club because he's wanted to leave and they haven't received the offer that they think is sufficient to allow him to leave.

"He has to come to terms with that, when you sign long-term contracts you are expected to honour them and we expect him to do that

might be nothing but why even mention he’s got “beef” with the owners?

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13 minutes ago, Matt said:

The fact that he has supposedly thrown a tantrum speaks volumes about his character if true and if he doesn’t knuckle down. If that’s the case, all the more reason to be grateful we’ve not panicked and spent stupid money. 

His character throughout the game is held in nothing but high regard. Unquestionable.

It was Roy Hodgson who said he will be fine but 'his beef is with the owners and chairman'. Yes, Hodgson actually used the word 'beef'!!!

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Just now, Matt said:

It was Hodgson himself who says:

"We are looking forward to him doing this season, what he's done for the last two seasons. Everyone here has a good relationship with him. There's not a problem with that.

"His beef is with the chairman and owners of the club because he's wanted to leave and they haven't received the offer that they think is sufficient to allow him to leave.

"He has to come to terms with that, when you sign long-term contracts you are expected to honour them and we expect him to do that

might be nothing but why even mention he’s got “beef” with the owners?

This seems to prove what I'm speculating about. Obviously, he's had a falling out with the higher ups at the club. We simply don't know the details of that relationship or who is in the wrong. I'll agree that if he refuses to play for them now it would be unprofessional but until that happens I'll give the benefit of the doubt to him as he's given a lot to that club.

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4 minutes ago, Matt said:

It was Hodgson himself who says:

"We are looking forward to him doing this season, what he's done for the last two seasons. Everyone here has a good relationship with him. There's not a problem with that.

"His beef is with the chairman and owners of the club because he's wanted to leave and they haven't received the offer that they think is sufficient to allow him to leave.

"He has to come to terms with that, when you sign long-term contracts you are expected to honour them and we expect him to do that

might be nothing but why even mention he’s got “beef” with the owners?

Should have read on...but his character within the game is not in question.

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On 23/06/2019 at 17:33, c1982 said:

Wasn’t there a stat either 17/18 or 18/19 that Palace lost every game Zaha didn’t play? A class player who is on a completely different level to the Palace Bolasie but, due to his importance to them, he’d cost far more than he’s worth. He’s priceless to them hence they’ll ask for near on £100m - surely no team will pay near that so I expect he’ll stay for at least another season.

A wise man once said... 👀

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1 minute ago, c1982 said:

Very good source - reassures me that £60m was a maximum bid for us.

I think everyone should be happy with this. Stuck to our guns. Good Window minus the CB but we must think Gbamin can do in a pinch until January so I'm not gonna ding them too bad.

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

iwobi for 35m is awful, but the rest of it is great news.  brands doing well on everything but Iwobi IMO

Why is it awful? That’s what a player of this quality is worth in the current market. He’s a very creative and will add more speed, power and flair to our attack. He’s not had too many chances at Arsenal but look at their attacking options ahead of him e.g Ozil and Mhykatarian (spelling). When he’s played, he’s looked very dangerous. Only 23 too - we should see his best years.

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6 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

iwobi for 35m is awful, but the rest of it is great news.  brands doing well on everything but Iwobi IMO

Couldn’t disagree more. Using the logic someone used, in a couple of seasons everyone will be going got £80-100m. This lad is only just 23 and has CL and Premiership experience. I don’t think he’s the messiah but value for money a much better signing than it looks. He’s either great, or not and we sell at an inflated price. 

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7 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i hope you guys are right i really do, COYB

We all do. I think of a winger as something of a luxury for us so if he adds anything that’ll be a bonus. Plus it allows Bernard to probably play more of a super sub role where I think he will thrive. 

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4 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

We all do. I think of a winger as something of a luxury for us so if he adds anything that’ll be a bonus. Plus it allows Bernard to probably play more of a super sub role where I think he will thrive. 

Hope not. I’ll be very disappointed to see Bernard dropped. His workrate is essential for the high press. 

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2 minutes ago, Matt said:

Hope not. I’ll be very disappointed to see Bernard dropped. His workrate is essential for the high press. 

I suppose I don’t know enough about Iwobi to say whether he can do a job in the press. I worry about Bernard size’s resulting in getting worn down over a long season so, at worst, Iwobi should give us another option there if and when that happens.

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22 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

We all know Zaha will score Saturday right?

Will he play after not training today? Hopefully "his head will be in the wrong place":D.

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4 hours ago, Newty82 said:

True. And Richarlison aswell.

Both turned out well, I think.

Richarlison was short and sharp job done type deal from my memory. Siggy was dragged out for an age. That's what I am sticking to anyway :)

1 hour ago, Matt said:

The fact that he has supposedly thrown a tantrum speaks volumes about his character if true and if he doesn’t knuckle down. If that’s the case, all the more reason to be grateful we’ve not panicked and spent stupid money. 

If he was promised he could leave for a reasonable offer and then they price him out of it I think he has every reason to be pissed off. I wonder if he would have signed a new long contract if he knew the price they would put on him? It makes you look at the Barkley situation a bit differently because if he had signed there would have been the same issue with us when Chelsea and Spurs came calling.

1 hour ago, c1982 said:

Very good source - reassures me that £60m was a maximum bid for us.

That sounds more like it, especially when we look at what happened last season with Barca/Bernard. Our offer is there and we wont go chasing players.

1 hour ago, c1982 said:

A wise man once said... 👀

A broken clock and all that ;)

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On 05/10/2019 at 19:26, plaidharper said:
On 05/10/2019 at 19:26, plaidharper said:

Zaha and Palace are sitting in 4th. The world is cruel.

 

yes  that  is true enough,  the world is incredibly cruel …  however  I believe you get wat you deserve in the long run …. especially in sport  .  

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