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2 hours ago, Matt said:

Fell over a lot, although did put one good ball in for the “offside” goal. 

And should have had a penalty. What I’d like to see is just one of our players be direct and drive towards goal with the ball at their feet. We rarely ever take any player on. 

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8 minutes ago, barryj said:

And should have had a penalty. What I’d like to see is just one of our players be direct and drive towards goal with the ball at their feet. We rarely ever take any player on. 

He would’ve had the penalty if he hadn’t acted like he’d been shot. But as it was it looked more a booking than a pen. 

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Since the restart I haven't watch loads of Palace but I do try and catch a bit of them when I can to see how McCarthy is doing and when I do catch 20 or 30 minutes here or there, Zaha is always the stand out player.

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11 hours ago, Matt said:

Fell over a lot, although did put one good ball in for the “offside” goal. 

Pretty sure he tamely gave it away for Utd to score their second.  I don't see any value in him.  If he'd come here when he went to Palace then yes, would've been great.  Now, at what, 60-80M?  Not a chance.

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5 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

Pretty sure he tamely gave it away for Utd to score their second.  I don't see any value in him.  If he'd come here when he went to Palace then yes, would've been great.  Now, at what, 60-80M?  Not a chance.

Not saying we should buy him as there will be no sell on value and will going against our transfer policy. However nobody can surely question his quality. We have Iwobi, Bernard and Walcott and he’s head and shoulders better than any of them. He would have been a good buy a few years ago but not now with our financial constraints. 

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

I’d take him for 30m and not a penny more.

4 goals and 5 assists all season. I know Palace are not a force but they didn’t have a bad season... I don’t think he takes us to where we want to be. Younger, cheaper and better around in my opinion.

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3 hours ago, Btay said:

4 goals and 5 assists all season. I know Palace are not a force but they didn’t have a bad season... I don’t think he takes us to where we want to be. Younger, cheaper and better around in my opinion.

It's crazy to think he's still been involved with nearly a quarter of Palaces goals.

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5 hours ago, Btay said:

4 goals and 5 assists all season. I know Palace are not a force but they didn’t have a bad season... I don’t think he takes us to where we want to be. Younger, cheaper and better around in my opinion.

This is where I'm at - not exactly prolific is he and now approaching 30?

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40 minutes ago, c1982 said:

Swap for a load of deadweight and I’d take him - take your pick Palace!!!

If we could do a 3 (Siggy, Delph and Walcott) for 1, I think that’s the only acceptable scenario I could think of. 

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3 hours ago, Cisk said:

This is where I'm at - not exactly prolific is he and now approaching 30?

If you consider 27 "approaching 30" then yes. Last season was his least productive since 2015/16. He scored 10, 9 and 7 in the previous seasons plus assisted 26 goals in total during those three seasons. A Zaha of 2018/19 would walk into most PL teams (10 goals, 10 assists). But IIRC didn't he mostly play as a forward that season?

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The time to have bought Zaha was when he left Man U. He is just too much money now. High transfer fee, high wages, maybe last move of career, not quite good enough for the very top teams - sounds familiar!!! We are stuck with enough players in this mould. 

He would do a OK job as a winger and IS better than what we have - but that sort of money desperately needs spending at the heart of the time first. (A decent midfield enforcer and unfortunate it pains me to say - a steady and reliable keeper).

If you have money to burn, then to me Zaha is the type of player you might bring in as a finishing touch, to add that extra bit of quality to an already decent backbone of a team. We finished 12th - we need to get to the decent backbone part first. 

I think somebody like Dwight McNeil might be the better option for us as an attacking option if we must spend in this area of the pitch. A move to Everton would also be a good move for the lad. 

 

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2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

The time to have bought Zaha was when he left Man U. He is just too much money now. High transfer fee, high wages, maybe last move of career, not quite good enough for the very top teams - sounds familiar!!! We are stuck with enough players in this mould. 

He would do a OK job as a winger and IS better than what we have - but that sort of money desperately needs spending at the heart of the time first. (A decent midfield enforcer and unfortunate it pains me to say - a steady and reliable keeper).

If you have money to burn, then to me Zaha is the type of player you might bring in as a finishing touch, to add that extra bit of quality to an already decent backbone of a team. We finished 12th - we need to get to the decent backbone part first. 

I think somebody like Dwight McNeil might be the better option for us as an attacking option if we must spend in this area of the pitch. A move to Everton would also be a good move for the lad. 

 

I agree with most of this.

He plays for Palace better than any of our wingers play for us and I will include Richarlison wide in that. He is quick, strong (enough) and he can beat a man. He can also pick a pass and put the ball in the back of the net, albeit I wouldn't call him a goalscorer in the same way Richarlison is. I said at the time that Iwobi was a poor mans Zaha but in all honesty Zaha would have struggled with this group of players around him. I feel like those wide attacking position should be forgotten about for now and all of our concentration needs to be focussed on making us stronger through the middle.

As with Dwight McNeil, I don't really see the appeal. He is just a young Siggy. Great feet, can put in a good ball but he is slow and he suits playing in a team where he can whip balls in for big strikers or picking up second balls around the box. He is by no means a bad player, I think he has a good head on him, but when it comes to putting him into a side that aims to be at the top end of the premier league table, I just don't see it.

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52 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I agree with most of this.

He plays for Palace better than any of our wingers play for us and I will include Richarlison wide in that. He is quick, strong (enough) and he can beat a man. He can also pick a pass and put the ball in the back of the net, albeit I wouldn't call him a goalscorer in the same way Richarlison is. I said at the time that Iwobi was a poor mans Zaha but in all honesty Zaha would have struggled with this group of players around him. I feel like those wide attacking position should be forgotten about for now and all of our concentration needs to be focussed on making us stronger through the middle.

As with Dwight McNeil, I don't really see the appeal. He is just a young Siggy. Great feet, can put in a good ball but he is slow and he suits playing in a team where he can whip balls in for big strikers or picking up second balls around the box. He is by no means a bad player, I think he has a good head on him, but when it comes to putting him into a side that aims to be at the top end of the premier league table, I just don't see it.

sounds like we are on the same page here, concentrate of getting the spine of the team in to a decent shape - and maybe then even the attaching players we already have now might be able to do a more respectable job - we are not ready to waste more money upgrade the attacking players to continually feed of scraps or spend the best part of the games defending!!

for Dwight McNeil, I kind of mean if we do bring in attacking players let it be players that are young, talented, hungry to play,  reasonably priced, on a more modest wage, who would feel coming to Everton is a decent step up, but are also easy to offload or load out if they don't cut the mustard after a few year. A bit like we have done in the past with the likes of Lookman, Del boy or Vlasic. Admitted none of these have turned out as regular first teamers, but do this enough, and by the law of average some will end up staying longer and making a name for themselves at the club. It is also pretty difficult to lose massive amounts of money buys of this type of buy (Iwobi may prove me wrong :D ) - but generally close to braking even on these types of buys.

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I know it’s Palace but I don’t think they’re stupid enough to value Iwoeful at £50million. 

Unfortunately for Palace, no one is stupid enough to value Zaha at 70.  They'll be lucky to get 35.

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1 hour ago, chicagoblue said:

Unfortunately for Palace, no one is stupid enough to value Zaha at 70.  They'll be lucky to get 35.

I wouldn’t even want us paying £35m for him, if I’m honest. He’s just not a player I like at all.

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Combined G/A since 2016:

16/17 - 16 in 34 starts 

17/18 - 12 in 28 starts 

18/19 - 15 in 34 starts 

19/20 - 7 in 37 starts

Certainly only Richarlison can match those numbers from our squad. He's had an off season but theres no doubt he would improve our squad. If he is the best player we can get with that amount of creativity then I'd be happy with signing him. Would also suit Carlos 442 down to the ground. 

People keep talking about how much they'd be willing the club to spend on a player but the market hasn't really taken shape yet, so who knows what value for money is. 

But I haven't actually seen us linked to the player, Hodgson said he will likely leave this window but our links to him seem to be because we were interested last year, maybe carlo doesn't actually want him. 

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15 hours ago, Aidan said:

Combined G/A since 2016:

16/17 - 16 in 34 starts 

17/18 - 12 in 28 starts 

18/19 - 15 in 34 starts 

19/20 - 7 in 37 starts

Certainly only Richarlison can match those numbers from our squad. He's had an off season but theres no doubt he would improve our squad. If he is the best player we can get with that amount of creativity then I'd be happy with signing him. Would also suit Carlos 442 down to the ground. 

People keep talking about how much they'd be willing the club to spend on a player but the market hasn't really taken shape yet, so who knows what value for money is. 

But I haven't actually seen us linked to the player, Hodgson said he will likely leave this window but our links to him seem to be because we were interested last year, maybe carlo doesn't actually want him. 

I just think we are going to get rinsed for a player when there’s younger, cheaper and possibly more affective players around.

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Just now, Btay said:

I just think we are going to get rinsed for a player when there’s younger, cheaper and possibly more affective players around.

Yonger and cheaper maybe. I doubt we will find better players than Zaha's level willing to come to our club though. 

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1 minute ago, Aidan said:

Yonger and cheaper maybe. I doubt we will find better players than Zaha's level willing to come to our club though. 

I’d say Richarlison is at Zaha’s level but 4 years younger. That’s the standard I’m after.

Lozano or Neres for instance would be half as much with very good ability. Just the risk of not playing in the premier league.

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17 minutes ago, Btay said:

I’d say Richarlison is at Zaha’s level but 4 years younger. That’s the standard I’m after.

Lozano or Neres for instance would be half as much with very good ability. Just the risk of not playing in the premier league.

i like your thinking.  we got richarlison, there have to be others out there.  we have the money, let's go those players and some steady vets like Thiago and see what we can do.  i'm done with the players that look great because they are the only outlet for their team (Gylfi, zaha, bolasie, sandro) so they rack up the stats but when the play isn't ran through them they are worthless.  we need more richarlisons who can play a variety of positions and work their ass off all match.  not to mention he's quality.  Brands was brought in for this reason, he needs to prove it.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

i like your thinking.  we got richarlison, there have to be others out there.  we have the money, let's go those players and some steady vets like Thiago and see what we can do.  i'm done with the players that look great because they are the only outlet for their team (Gylfi, zaha, bolasie, sandro) so they rack up the stats but when the play isn't ran through them they are worthless.  we need more richarlisons who can play a variety of positions and work their ass off all match.  not to mention he's quality.  Brands was brought in for this reason, he needs to prove it.

Agree, worst case Zaha improves us - without doubt and definitely gets us closer to Europe/top 8. I just don’t want to throw 50+ on a player when the future of the economy is so uncertain.

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14 hours ago, Btay said:

I’d say Richarlison is at Zaha’s level but 4 years younger. That’s the standard I’m after.

Lozano or Neres for instance would be half as much with very good ability. Just the risk of not playing in the premier league.

Personally I am not a huge fan of Lozano on the little bits I have seen of him. I have also just found this on him which probably means he would fit in well with the rest of the team:

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/chucky-lozanos-dream-move-to-napoli-has-become-a-nightmare/ctnnam7490n819u2d0tc3odi2

I'm not sure if I have watched Neres or not but I don't see a player, albeit for Ajax, scoring that many goals and doing well coming to a club like us in our current situation. Plus if Lozano went for £39mil, I would expect Neres to go for at least the same if not more from the same league.

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

Personally I am not a huge fan of Lozano on the little bits I have seen of him. I have also just found this on him which probably means he would fit in well with the rest of the team:

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/chucky-lozanos-dream-move-to-napoli-has-become-a-nightmare/ctnnam7490n819u2d0tc3odi2

I'm not sure if I have watched Neres or not but I don't see a player, albeit for Ajax, scoring that many goals and doing well coming to a club like us in our current situation. Plus if Lozano went for £39mil, I would expect Neres to go for at least the same if not more from the same league.

Totally agree. I have never saw the draw with Lozano. Had a very small purple patch and has been half the player consistently ever since. 20m fee would be worth a gamble with him, but I wouldnt pay any more than that.

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8 hours ago, Bailey said:

Personally I am not a huge fan of Lozano on the little bits I have seen of him. I have also just found this on him which probably means he would fit in well with the rest of the team:

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/chucky-lozanos-dream-move-to-napoli-has-become-a-nightmare/ctnnam7490n819u2d0tc3odi2

I'm not sure if I have watched Neres or not but I don't see a player, albeit for Ajax, scoring that many goals and doing well coming to a club like us in our current situation. Plus if Lozano went for £39mil, I would expect Neres to go for at least the same if not more from the same league.

39 mil compared to the 70 been touted though?

I think Lozano is suited to the premier league perfectly. Each to their own though!

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15 hours ago, Btay said:

39 mil compared to the 70 been touted though?

I think Lozano is suited to the premier league perfectly. Each to their own though!

Poser for you then:

Lozano £30mil

Nerez £50mil

Zaha £60mil

Who are you buying?

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Poser for you then:

Lozano £30mil

Nerez £50mil

Zaha £60mil

Who are you buying?

None are worth their price. If I had to take a gamble, Zaha is premier proven.

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Zaha wouldn’t be consistent enough, he’s blessed with great skills and the ability to win a game, but on his terms by that I think he can have a poor attitude, and you don’t know what players going out on the pitch from one game to the next, this season has proved we were lucky to have had our £80m turned down last season. 
I hope we stay well clear of this big time Charlie, but we are Everton so who knows, he will probably end up here next season on a 4 year deal on 140 grand a week 😔

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Is Zaha that inconsistent? isn't it more of a case that the side he plays for is inconsistent. 

Palace are one of the sides I watch least but he always shows up when I do. 

I might be wrong about him, but I find his inconsistency is more to do with his attitude than his ability, sometimes I get the perception from him that he cannot be arsed, he’s sort of given up, sulking and whinging, then other days he’s unplayable with bags of commitment. 
To much money to take the risk. 

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11 hours ago, Bailey said:

Poser for you then:

Lozano £30mil

Nerez £50mil

Zaha £60mil

Who are you buying?

I thought Zaha is getting touted at around £70 mil for starters.

Also not sure where the Neres £50mil has come from when last I saw it was £20-25.

Prices can’t really be predicted I guess.

Id still go Lozano at 30 before paying over the odds on the other 2, although I think he’d be cheaper than that.

Everton Soares is a shout, Allan Saint-Maxime as well.

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11 hours ago, Bailey said:

Is Zaha that inconsistent? isn't it more of a case that the side he plays for is inconsistent. 

Palace are one of the sides I watch least but he always shows up when I do. 

You belong with that numpty who’s started posting.... too much sense! 
Seasons over now, can’t we all get back to talking a load of satisfying crap again.

So who thinks we should bring back the following:

Gana

Lukaku

Stones

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