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midfield really let us down.  i don't know why we took gylfi off the one guy who can thread passes in the box and play 1-2's, we should have pulled morgan or gomes who were both worthless today.  classic packed box and we have a pass around.  we need to penetrate instead of passing around.  iwobi was mixed, kean looked lively.

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- DCL missing with half the goal free in the first half

- Iwobi hits the post in the second half

- Walcott blazes over from six yards out

Just three "big" chances off the top of my head that doesn't include the half chances like Digne hitting it over at the end. If we'd been more clinical, that would have been rather comfortable. We had the lion share of possession but just couldn't finish and it'll be the difference between us finishing where we want to be and 8th/9th. 

A bad day at the office, too fragile at the back too. Yerry Mina looked great again but Keane had a shocker, just crap.

Not sure that anyone can pin it on Silva too, three very attacking, positive subs (two as early as 60 minutes) so we clearly went for the win. It's just the players in the final third were a shambles. 

One highlight from the game? Seamus Coleman absolutely leathering their winger at the end. Love a bit of bite.

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I have to say the quality of the players we put out there is shocking Gomes is overrated on this  I am not seeing what he bring to be first team only at the end when we needed a goal did he look the player I thought we bought. We played DCL again 9 games without a goal says it all they had wesley who came from fucking belgium and just looks like a prem player. I called last season for DCL to get the run of games he has had that now and id not a prem striker I would be surprised if he could get 10+ in the championship. I dont care who replaces him he shouldn't be in the squad.

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CDL can not hold the ball up and he can't score goals. Please tell me how a player with his lack of fundamental skills gets soooooooo much game time. We can't afford to be letting him learn his trade in the prem when he isn't progressing.

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10 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Yet again Keane too soft to put a challenge in on Wesley. Let's him turn and play it unchallenged. 

Gotta say though Bailey, those 2, Keane and Mina, have done bloody well considering they've had minimal offerings from the 2 in front of them.

I've got nothing against Morgan or Gomes. Well, maybe Morgan a little bit. But neither of them will give the bite that's needed in there. Certainly not today anyway!!

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I think Mina was probably the only positive of those that started. Iwobi did ok when he came on. 

As John says the signs were there last season. Teams will play like that and we will struggle to break them down as we mainly won on the counter last season. We did still create 2 golden chances but the two they fell to are probably the players we didn't want them too.

We need to sort out our midfield. Those 3 are too passive and the lack energy. There is no graft, they are good at looking pretty and doing the fancy stuff but we needed a bit of graft and a bit of control. I am amazed that Gomes stayed on, and whilst he did get better his head wasn't there tonight. 

There are no words to describe Keane though. His worst performance for some time.

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Just now, Finn balor said:

This performance has been dire. We have nothing in the middle of the park. Villa are average at best. One goal in three games? 

Emotions mate. We have the players. One match doesn’t mean we need to sell every player because we are shit. 

We just lack bottle, we concede, we fall apart because we are too soft at the moment.

Weve just lost the one player that would  make a difference today, we all know who. It’s now up to the manager to work out how to close that gap.

Bernard. Not good enough I’m afraid.

Gomes, confidence player... Barca let him go as they knew he didn't have the fight for the top. 

Keane, too slow. But will get better when he learns to read the game.

Mina, will be a good player, but never better than good. Tall but not good in the air, and easily bullied. Was good for 30 mins, then got absolutely bullied out of the game.

Siggy, forgot to put a shirt on and come out of the changing room? Honestly, what does he do?

Digne, just had an off day.

Coleman, tried, but age and quality is showing 🙁

Morgan, best in a long while. But the quality isn’t, and let’s be truthful here, probably has never been there.

DCL, hold up play great, skill, great.... finishing and creativity... just not there. Strange but I think he would be better in a different position.

Richarlison, not going for him as yet, but by far our best player. Works hard at the least.

Keane. Cameo against Watford was exciting. Got longer today and looked a 19 year old kid. Anti climax.

Iwobi, looked awkward, but made things happen. He will be good for us.

Walcott, retire mate. Before people remember you for the wrong things.

Pickford. Two saves to make the whole game. Conceded both. Everyone needs a pass sometimes.

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I thought Iwobi looked good we looked much better in attack when him and Kean came on and much of it was diwn to his work. Some good forward passing and really looking to make things happen.

Mina played pretty well at the backbut noticed he's very keen fir a scrap. Luckily Digne seems to be looking out for him and at least a couple of times stepped in and pulled him away from trouble and had a word.

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Let’s get this right. We got overrun time and time again. In the middle of the park we had nothing. That does not bode well for the future. Against better teams we will get twatted. I’m on a proper downer tonight. DCl can’t start next game. United, arsenal, would have battered these tonight 

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8 minutes ago, memmaclub2 said:

CDL can not hold the ball up and he can't score goals. Please tell me how a player with his lack of fundamental skills gets soooooooo much game time. We can't afford to be letting him learn his trade in the prem when he isn't progressing.

Don’t think you can say he can’t hold the ball up? Well you can say it, P can say Gana is shit ffs haha.

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1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

Gotta say though Bailey, those 2, Keane and Mina, have done bloody well considering they've had minimal offerings from the 2 in front of them.

I've got nothing against Morgan or Gomes. Well, maybe Morgan a little bit. But neither of them will give the bite that's needed in there. Certainly not today anyway!!

Yeh that's a fair point but Keane was 1 v 1 with the striker a lot, a situation he will be in regularly every game but he barely won a header, barely made a tackle or barely did anything. Midfielders should always be dropping in but they are 2 v 3 against the Villa lads too so if they drop in front of Wesley then there are 2 more Villa players in space. 

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But to honest guys n girls, I'm not too worried about the season ahead. Generally.

I think today will end up being one of our worst all round performances this season. We'll get beat again, no doubt. But we'll rarely play like that again.

There'll be goals in this team. They'll come. I've no worries about that. And we've shown we can play tight at the back.

It's just so bloody frustrating tonight. No point slinging mud only 3 games in, but we do need to find a way to break teams down when they pack their boxes.

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I didn't think DCL was any good at holding up the ball either. Just look down at the other end as to how a striker should hold up the ball and bring others into the game. DCL was miles away from that tonight.

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Just now, Bailey said:

I didn't think DCL was any good at holding up the ball either. Just look down at the other end as to how a striker should hold up the ball and bring others into the game. DCL was miles away from that tonight.

Of course it was easier for the Villa striker he had so much space to do so. 

I'm not defending dom, nobody played well minus Mina IMO, but none of our forwards had time or space on the ball in the final third and none seem good enough in that situation. 

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Just now, Palfy said:

I can and I will 👍

Ye But you don’t count, you know the square root of fuck all about football!  You great at sarcasm though mate so not all is lost.

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8 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

But to honest guys n girls, I'm not too worried about the season ahead. Generally.

I think today will end up being one of our worst all round performances this season. We'll get beat again, no doubt. But we'll rarely play like that again.

There'll be goals in this team. They'll come. I've no worries about that. And we've shown we can play tight at the back.

It's just so bloody frustrating tonight. No point slinging mud only 3 games in, but we do need to find a way to break teams down when they pack their boxes.

I've calmed down a bit and this post is the voice of reason.

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4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Of course it was easier for the Villa striker he had so much space to do so. 

I'm not defending dom, nobody played well minus Mina IMO, but none of our forwards had time or space on the ball in the final third and none seem good enough in that situation. 

Difference was that DCL was holding the ball up under pressure. 

Wesley made our bigger players look weak. This is what I don’t get. Zouma was a bully. Tough lad that took every battle as an individual battle. Mina and Keane, for their size seem to be pushed around. Not sure if it’s a confidence thing, or just a weak mentality?

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2 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

I've calmed down a bit and this post is the voice of reason.

Glad to be of some use to someone!

I need to get it out my system now so I can get a good night's kip!

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1 minute ago, Aidan said:

Of course it was easier for the Villa striker he had so much space to do so. 

I'm not defending dom, nobody played well minus Mina IMO, but none of our forwards had time or space on the ball in the final third and none seem good enough in that situation. 

There was space in front of DCL too. The difference was Wesley's touch under pressure was better. I think they probably did better at getting players around him than we did but part of that is about trust in the player winning and controlling the ball. 

Doesn't excuse the others for similar poor performances though in the 3 behind. Bernard wildly inconsistent. Richarlison is hot and cold. Siggy flutters in and out of games rather than dictates games. Iwobi might help, Kean might help but they all seem to have too many off days. 

Even if you look at the start we made. How many chances did we create? Imagine a top team in that situation... They would have half a dozen chances with that pressure on around the box.

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3 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Difference was that DCL was holding the ball up under pressure. 

Wesley made our bigger players look weak. This is what I don’t get. Zouma was a bully. Tough lad that took every battle as an individual battle. Mina and Keane, for their size seem to be pushed around. Not sure if it’s a confidence thing, or just a weak mentality?

I think Keane can slightly be put in the softer, pushed around category. But I think Mina has balls of steel. I think he's squared up and argued with an opposition player each game so far. The guy seems a great character to have around.

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@pete0 tonight is a prime example of us missing Gana. You can dress it up anyway you like but the ability he had to break up play and get interceptions meant I’m confident that with him instead of Schneiderlin would have led to a  different result (assuming we could finish). 

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13 minutes ago, FairWooney said:

 

Mina played pretty well at the backbut noticed he's very keen fir a scrap. Luckily Digne seems to be looking out for him and at least a couple of times stepped in and pulled him away from trouble and had a word.

I noticed Digne do that last game as well, he's like Mina's minder. I like that Mina is fiesty, but time and a place. He had NO business getting involved in Coleman's free kick that resulted in the double yellow. He wasn't in the play, he wasn't near play and that was his captain who had it under control in discussion with Oliver. Digne went and pulled him out, and when Mina kept going, Digne, giving away half a foot, didn't back down and got his finger up in his face and Mina backed away. I don't speak French or Spanish, but he clearly said "calm the fuck down and shut up ya big bastard". Of the several things that I noted during the game, most of them not good, that one event very much stood out.

Someone said something earlier about there being no leaders on the pitch, I slightly disagree. Lucas Digne may very well be next man up for the armband. 

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8 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Difference was that DCL was holding the ball up under pressure. 

Wesley made our bigger players look weak. This is what I don’t get. Zouma was a bully. Tough lad that took every battle as an individual battle. Mina and Keane, for their size seem to be pushed around. Not sure if it’s a confidence thing, or just a weak mentality?

Mina was totally in command of his job today Wesley wasn’t pushing him around he got very little joy against Mina who was our man of the match tonight. 

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1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

I think Keane can slightly be put in the softer, pushed around category. But I think Mina has balls of steel. I think he's squared up and argued with an opposition player each game so far. The guy seems a great character to have around.

Don’t disagree mate. But I’m 5.8’ and I won headers against players 4” bigger all the time, just simply by being brave and jumping early (Timmy Cahill taught me that). How does he lose so many headers?

You know what, I'm being unfair, he’s stepping up a league and needs time to realise he isn't going to be given free headers for being bigger. He’ll get there.

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We still have so much work to do in next 2 transfer windows.

Siggy is not an automatic starter for me, nor DCL. Davies, Theo, Sneids, Tosun are squad fillers.

Back 4 picks itself due to lack of options.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Mina was totally in command of his job today Wesley was pushing him around he got very little joy against Mina who was our man of the match tonight. 

Other than setting up the last goal?

Who scores the first?

Like I said mate, your football knowledge is as good as my ghist of the Chinese language... which I only k ow Chicken Chow Mein!

Im only joking mate haha I would still love a night with you me and Newty. Would he a great laugh. Even bring Pad along... need someone miserable there to bring us back to earth 😉

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3 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Other than setting up the last goal?

Who scores the first?

Like I said mate, your football knowledge is as good as my ghist of the Chinese language... which I only k ow Chicken Chow Mein!

Im only joking mate haha I would still love a night with you me and Newty. Would he a great laugh. Even bring Pad along... need someone miserable there to bring us back to earth 😉

That'll happen one day. No doubt 👍

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10 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Don’t disagree mate. But I’m 5.8’ and I won headers against players 4” bigger all the time, just simply by being brave and jumping early (Timmy Cahill taught me that). How does he lose so many headers?

You know what, I'm being unfair, he’s stepping up a league and needs time to realise he isn't going to be given free headers for being bigger. He’ll get there.

I'm 5.7"...on a good day...and would lose a header against a garden gnome.

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1 minute ago, Newty82 said:

I'm 5.7"...on a good day...and would lose a header against a garden gnome.

Ok maybe I’m really 5.7’ but it’s good half way through I’ll tell you! Very nearly 5.8’! 

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7 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Other than setting up the last goal?

Who scores the first?

Like I said mate, your football knowledge is as good as my ghist of the Chinese language... which I only k ow Chicken Chow Mein!

Im only joking mate haha I would still love a night with you me and Newty. Would he a great laugh. Even bring Pad along... need someone miserable there to bring us back to earth 😉

I’m good with that mate. 

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12 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

I'm 5.7"...on a good day...and would lose a header against a garden gnome.

Garden gnomes have excellent timing, and they are quick off thier feet as everyone knows. No shame there. Plus they put that little pointy hat in your back right before they jump...sneaky

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VvD would have laughed at Wesley tonight. He would have stood off him and let him turn like the titanic. Villas manager planned Wesley playing against kean. It was obvious. Mina should have swapped over and went next to him. 

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56 minutes ago, barryj said:

@pete0 tonight is a prime example of us missing Gana. You can dress it up anyway you like but the ability he had to break up play and get interceptions meant I’m confident that with him instead of Schneiderlin would have led to a  different result (assuming we could finish). 

FWIW I don't agree. This was a problem last year with Gana in the team. It would have helped to have more dynamism alongside Gomes generally but that is no surprise to anyone. 

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24 minutes ago, Bailey said:

FWIW I don't agree. This was a problem last year with Gana in the team. It would have helped to have more dynamism alongside Gomes generally but that is no surprise to anyone. 

Schneiderlin didn't have a bad game for me. He is a solid but not spectacular player - a very good compliment to a more active dynamic midfield partner. The last 30 minutes of the game we were basically in a 4-2-4. The only thing I really saw missing from Schneiderlin's game was his partner. If it had been Gana having his worst day ever, it would have been similar. If it had been JPB in there today instead of Schneiderlin, especially in the last 30 mins, he wouldn't have looked good either trying to cover the entire middle of the pitch.

Gomes had his worst game in an Everton shirt, and crippled us. It happens.

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47 minutes ago, Bailey said:

FWIW I don't agree. This was a problem last year with Gana in the team. It would have helped to have more dynamism alongside Gomes generally but that is no surprise to anyone. 

First time I think I’ve ever disagreed with your view. I agree we needed more dynamism but thats exactly why I think we missed Gana tonight. Not for anything he added going forward but the confidence he gave in other players taking a more advanced role. I felt tonight more than ever all the midfield dropped back. This was more prevalent in Gomes but also included Siggy and this isn’t just tonight’s game as we saw that at Palace as well. 

Edit - I was actually wanting Davies on for Schneiderlin to add a bit more going forward. 

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I must be the only person that saw what villa tonight. Wesley sat on Keane all night and bossed him. Mina should have swapped but didn’t. Our midfield was wide open tonight. Grealish who I rate didn’t have to bother. Gana like I said would have been the difference 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

Villa are shite. I’m not saying it to be bitter at all. We lost the game in the middle of the park. We were so open when we lost the ball. Gana would have mopped up and been all over grealish and mcginn

Yeah that’s what got to me as well.  They were plain awful in the final third.  They kept passing it out of bounds.  They were a pub league side out there.  Gana would have made a massive difference as Morgan kept doing the 4 yard passes to Gomes and then back.  Morgan was useless he doesn’t intercept and break up play he is out there doing fuck all except 4 yard passes sideways.  

 

We need gbamin back and quick.  Or abandon the 2 dm while he’s out and have 1 player back and 2 forward to get more going in the box.

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I saw it as they were hitting us on the break when we were camped in there half and lost the ball, they quickly played a long ball out to the channels and came out in numbers with pace, Coleman and Digne were constantly caught up field rendering them infective when they broke, and Keane was weak against Wesley. 

They had the perfect game plan in that sense and our lack of fire power and poor finishing played into their hands, when we dominate the first 20 minutes of a game we need to score 1 or 2 otherwise what happened will be replicated a few more times this season. 

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Can only really echo what Palfy said.

It was a perfect storm for Villa that. We attack without a clue and then eventually fuck it up, so they can break on what is a very slow central midfield and defence. There's only really Digne who has any sort of pace out of those 6 players and even he isn't particularly quick.

Those slow players won't be as much of a problem if we can sort out how we play when we're in possession of the ball and that means making changes to our attacking players. Sigurdsson is a definite one that needs to take a back seat and I'd be benching Richarlison too (if only to give him a kick up the arse).

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I watched on tv outside a bar with no sound as were away on hols, so no annoying commentary, and I felt ultimately we lost the game on poor finishing, we had a few changes but didn't make them count, Villa had 3 I can think of, 2 went in and Pickford made a good save on the other.

Gomes had a shocker, and I don't think his pairing with Schniederlin works at all, and I got sick of seeing passes not going to the intended player,a really poor showing after the first goal.

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